Watching The Cops
See other Watching The Cops Articles
Title: Video: Ohio cop indicted on murder charge in shooting Officer has said he was dragged by suspect's car and was forced to shoot
Source:
Associated Press
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jul 30, 2015
Author: By Lisa Cornwell Associated Press
Post Date: 2015-07-30 10:39:43 by GrandIsland
Keywords: None
Views: 40213
Comments: 189
CINCINNATI — A University of Cincinnati officer who shot a motorist during a traffic stop over a missing front license plate was indicted Wednesday on a murder charge, with a prosecutor saying the officer "purposely killed him" and "should never have been a police officer." Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters announced the grand jury indictment at a news conference to discuss developments in the investigation into the July 19 shooting of 43-year-old motorist Samuel DuBose by Officer Ray Tensing. Authorities have said Tensing spotted a car driven by DuBose and missing the front license plate, which is required by Ohio law. They say Tensing stopped the car and a struggle ensued after DuBose refused to provide a driver's license and get out of the car. Tensing, 25, has said he was dragged by the car and forced to shoot at DuBose. He fired once, striking DuBose in the head. But Deters dismissed Tensing's claim that he was dragged by the car and suggested that he shouldn't have pulled DuBose over to begin with. "He fell backward after he shot (DuBose) in the head," Deters said, adding that it was a "chicken crap" traffic stop. On footage released from the body-camera video Wednesday, the officer could be heard asking for DuBose's driver's license several times with DuBose at one point saying he had one. Later, DuBose said, "But I don't think I have it on me." Tensing asks DuBose to unbuckle his seat belt. About that time Tensing pulls on the door handle, and DuBose puts his hand on the door to keep it closed. Then the video becomes shaky, but a gunshot can be heard and DuBose appears to be slumped in the seat before the car rolls away, coming to stop at a nearby corner. The University of Cincinnati said it fired Tensing after his indictment. Tensing turned himself in Wednesday afternoon at the Hamilton County Justice Center and was processed on charges of murder and voluntary manslaughter. Tensing's attorney, Stewart Mathews, didn't return phone messages seeking comment after the indictment announcement. Mathews said earlier Wednesday that he thought an indictment was likely "given the political climate" and comments made by city officials. But Mathews said given the evidence he's seen, he doesn't believe there should be an indictment. DuBose's death comes amid months of national scrutiny of police dealings with African-Americans, especially those killed by officers. DuBose was black. Tensing is white. Authorities haven't indicated whether race was a part of the investigation. Body-camera video of the shooting was also released Wednesday. DuBose's family had been pressing for its release, and news organizations including The Associated Press had sued Deters to get it released under Ohio open records law, but Deters released it before any ruling had been made. Deters called the shooting "senseless" and "asinine." "He purposely killed him," Deters said. "He should never have been a police officer." The prosecutor also said he thought it was time to reconsider the UC police department's role. "I don't think a university should be in the policing business," Deters said. A message for comment was left Wednesday with the police department. The university said earlier this week it plans an independent review of its police department's policies. The UC officer made the traffic stop near the university's main campus, and UC police have said the intersection was within the campus police's jurisdiction. The University of Cincinnati on Wednesday closed its main campus in anticipation of grand jury action in the case. Mark O'Mara, attorney for DuBose's family, called for a "peaceful and nonaggressive" response from the community after the officer's indictment. O'Mara said the family wanted a peaceful reaction because "Sam was a peaceful person." Tensing has more than five years of experience in law enforcement and has worked as a University of Cincinnati police officer since April 2014, said Jason Goodrich, UC police chief. His annual performance review this April noted that he was extremely strong in the traffic area and maintains control of his weapons and of "situations he is involved in." Tensing formerly worked as an officer in the small Cincinnati suburban village of Greenhills. Deters said when he saw the video of the shooting, he was shocked. "I feel so sorry for this family and what they lost," Deters said. "And I feel sorry for the community, too." If convicted, Tensing could face up to life in prison. Poster Comment: Deckard is losing his mind. He spends time posting garbage by Free Thought Project, where most of the shit he posts has to be written in such a bias way to give the appearance of police misconduct, AND HERE IS A CLEAR CASE OF A BAD OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING... and Deckard doesn't post it. Well I will. This officer should be wood chipped. Hopefully someone here can post the VIDEO... you'll cringe watching it.
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
Comments (1-55) not displayed.
.
.
.
#56. To: misterwhite (#55)
I have no clue. I'm not investigating his death. I'm happily retired. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Since the cop approached from behind the car, he would have observed the plate's state designation. It seems unlikely he would be trying to enforce the proper licensure of a vehicle from another two-plate state. So we can assume 1) he saw it was an in-state rear plate and 2) that it was missing the required front plate. Otherwise, nothing he said to the victim would have made any sense and he wouldn't have had any kind of probable cause for a stop. It seems very unlikely he wouldn't have tried to give a ticket for a car being improperly plated from another state. He said nothing about it being an expired rear plate either. May as well flag Gatlin, maybe he's ready to return to LF.
Nothing so far contradicts his story beyond a reasonable doubt. "You have a serious problem defending this guy" A first-year law student could successfully defend this guy ... assuming he gets a fair trial and an impartial jury -- both of which seem unlikely. "Do you think it is justified to shoot a black man for not having a license plate, misterwhite, even if they try to flee the cop?" No I don't. Assuming the cop's arm was caught in the moving car and the cop feared he might be dragged to death, was he justified in shooting the driver? Why did he flee the police for a mere license plate violation? By doing that, he turned a simple warning into a felony.
It appears he had two plates, but only one on the car. http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/07/30/winburn-dump-front-license-plates/30900975/ http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/07/29/publish/30830777/ [...] [Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe] Deters said Tensing's actions during the traffic stop show that "he never should have been a police officer." He said UC could not have known if Tensing was a bad officer when he was hired, but he also suggested the university should get out of the law enforcement business. Deters, a UC graduate, said the city of Cincinnati should take over campus patrols and the UC police force should be disbanded. "They're not cops," he said of UC police. "Being a police officer shouldn't be the role of this university."
Be that as it may, we've seen other videos where the individual was dragged from the car by the police. Usually accompanied by a post from you decrying police brutality. "Or maybe you're happier if they just put a bullet in their head for not having a front plate and fleeing the fuzz?" I note you've now added "and fleeing the fuzz". When you add "and dragging a cop" I'll answer your question in the affirmative.
Oh. I thought maybe you brought up that point because it was relevant. My bad.
Did he have one in the glove box or did he SAY he had one in the glove box? Keep in mind he SAID he had a driver's license.
All but 2 had Ohio plates on the back of the car and most of them didn't even have a place to mount a front plate. I've had a Dallas Stars plate over the front license plate on my Olds for the last 9-10 years and have never been told by the cops to get rid of it. Interesting the victim had the other plate in the glove box. An actual mall cop. : )
You're just making stuff up because you're trying to defend the indefensible. What, you've sunk to licking the jackboots of a mere
Assuming you live in Texas, it's an open invitation for any cop to stop you at any time. Automatic reasonable suspicion. You might get away with a tail light being out for ten years in some jurisdictions. But you are still a moving target for any cop that feels like writing a ticket or looking into you and your affairs much more closely.
I did from 89-00, have been back home in Ohio ever since. Personally I don't really think the cops here worry about the single plate that much unless the have another reason for stopping you... But they can stop you at any time for that one violation. Maybe they need a higher ticket count. Maybe they just don't like your mug. You've opened the door to a ticket and a fine. Automatic cause for a stop, any time they want.
And Mr. Deters is pretending to be a County Prosecutor. He'd better watch his mouth or he's going to end up being disbarred like Mr. Nifong.
I answered your question. Are you going to answer mine?
I saw him on the tube. He's no Nifong. He's going to get a quick conviction, no fuss.
What was the question?
The two story authors SAID his second plate was in the glove box. [Sharon Coolidge and Jessie Balmert, scoolidge@enquirer.com and jbalmert@enquirer.com]
Oh. I thought maybe you brought up that point because it was relevant. My bad. Might be relevant to the stop... has nothing to do with his death... so I personally don't give a shit or want to waste a moment of time on it. I don't think anyone disputes the legality of the stop... except maybe Deckard. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Actually there were two: 1) Assuming the cop's arm was caught in the moving car and the cop feared he might be dragged to death, was he justified in shooting the driver? 2) Why did he flee the police for a mere license plate violation?
Do you think a license plate would fit in a glove box?
A bit ... outspoken, wouldn't you say? Unprofessional? Unethical, perhaps? Certainly improper. Yet you mock the UC cop.
"DuBose has been charged with driving without a license more than 13 times between 1995 and 2009, according to court records obtained by Cincinnati’s Fox 19. He has also been charged with driving while suspended eight times from 2005 and 2011 and with failure to display a proper a proper license plate on his vehicle four times between 1995 and 2009." Dubose had more than 75 offenses charged to him over his lifetime. Including drug charges. Pillar of the community.
In one of the newly released videos, (Officer) Lindenschmidt appears to corroborate Tensing's original story that he was dragged by DuBose's car when talking to other officers arriving on scene. "They had a traffic stop, the guy took off on him, the officer got caught in his arm, cause the guy reached for something he thought, so he grabbed on the car, that officer went down when he got tangled in the car, and fired," Lindenschmidt says. Officer Kidd, whose body cam video shows him running over to the shooting scene, also said he saw Tensing being dragged by DuBose. "He was dragging me," Tensing said to Kidd. "Yeah I saw that," Kidd responded. In the official incident report on the shooting, Officer Eric Wiebel writes that Kidd said he saw DuBose's car drag Tensing. "Officer Kidd told me that he witnessed the Honda Accord drag Officer Tensing, and that he witnessed Officer Tensing fire a single shot," Wiebel wrote. Reasonable doubt?
Judging by the video, that was less than a half-second before he was clear of the vehicle on the video. You are asking for an answer to a question that is bootless in this situation. You're saying that, from the time the victim put his car in gear, the cop was making a decision about being dragged and having the time to decide he was in danger and pull the gun and aim and fire. I see nothing in this video to suggest that your scenario applies. I think it doesn't matter. I note that you are suggesting that it is somehow fine for police to shoot anyone who flees from them. Fleeing police is not a capital offense, subject to summary execution on the streets. You don't seem to understand that.
Reasonable doubt? No. If he was actually being dragged, there should be scuff marks on his shoes and even on the pavement. There should be other supporting evidence. It's clear from the vagueness of this testimony that the other cop never saw the actual events up close. He clearly does not have a coherent eyewitness account. He sounds like his story varies considerably in just a few sentences. The prosecutor will take him apart, probably make clear how serious perjuring himself in court will be if he gives false testimony and the D.A. has evidence to prove he is lying. I think this alibi cop will fall apart and recant before the trial, under pressure from the prosecutor. There's a good reason why the county decided to prosecute this murder. The perp Kampus Kop is not credible, nor is his alibi witness. And they have evidence and another witness to contradict the duet of the Kampus Kops.
You are demonstrating an overwhelming bias in favor of the cop. Looking at the chest cam again, I notice we can clearly see in one of the frames the cops left arm immediately prior to the shot being fired, and it's extended to the man's chest/seatbelt, which I think rules out any suggestion that his arm might have been caught in the steering wheel. That in conjunction with the fact that the chest cam was above the level of the top of the door of this small car (not an SUV) makes it reasonably apparent that his left arm was likely NOT in any way entangled, and therefore the cop was not in any way being dragged at the instant of the shooting. That he fell to the ground after the shooting is obvious, and not in dispute. That the cop might have been trying to prevent the man from escaping is also not in dispute. That shooting a man solely for attempting to drive away from a traffic stop is an act not legally defensible is also not in dispute (at least with anyone else). The only question is, did the cop have reasonable cause fear to fear for his life or safety at the instant of the shooting? I think the video evidence says "no". I'm sure you will continue your defense of the cop as often as this issue comes up, which is fine. Good luck with that, as you'll need it.
Before body cams, absoloutly.... problem is, the video footage doesn't support him being "dragged". The best video would be from a dash cam, behind the traffic stop. That would show the officer being dragged... the body cam doesn't. It supports him shooting the driver in the head and falling backwards... as the car rolls forwards at 1 mph. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
"DuBose has been charged with driving without a license more than 13 times between 1995 and 2009, according to court records obtained by Cincinnati’s Fox 19. He has also been charged with driving while suspended eight times from 2005 and 2011 and with failure to display a proper a proper license plate on his vehicle four times between 1995 and 2009." Dubose had more than 75 offenses charged to him over his lifetime. Including drug charges. Pillar of the community. Oh, believe me, I weep not a tear or feel the least bit of sorrow for this pile of shit... but the officer used DPF when he wasn't justified by necessity. I believe the shitbird was going to try and drive off... because he's a Criminal piece of shit.... but I believe the officer did perceive that and shot the driver in the head to keep him from evading. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Bootless? It was his statement backed up by two eyewitnesses and multiple videos. Nothing contradicts any of that (other than your personal interpretation). Yet I answered your "bootless" question which omitted all of that factual evidence. "Why did he flee the police for a mere license plate violation?" I see. NOW it doesn't matter. It mattered when you brought it up. It mattered when is was a mere license plate infraction. But then the driver turns a warning into a felony and to you it doesn't matter why. "Fleeing police is not a capital offense, subject to summary execution on the streets. You don't seem to understand that." You asked me that question before, I answered it, and you didn't read it? Then why should I bother?
I posted visual evidence and eyewitness testimony. That's bias? Bias would be your interpretation of a video in favor of the victim. "rules out any suggestion that his arm might have been caught in the steering wheel." I have no idea where his arm was caught. Even before viewing his chest cam, he said his arm was caught. The chest cam later confirmed that (or, worst case, did not disprove it). Two eyewitnesses confirmed it. Others have examined the video and said that he fell 20 feet from the location of the traffic stop. But your bias says that we should ignore all that because one frame from his chest cam appears to show his left arm.
Let's forget about trying to define "drag". If the officer's arm was caught in the car and the driver started to accelerate, was the officer justified in shooting?
Was the officer justified in touching/grabbing the victim? I say no.
In favor of the what?
Wouldn't it depend on the size of the glove box?
It was a Honda Accord. Whatever size that is. Moot point. I think he lied.
That's a different question, isn't it. MY question is, "If the officer's arm was caught in the car and the driver started to accelerate, was the officer justified in shooting?" Don't feel bad ignoring it. Not one person on this forum will answer it.
Bias would be your interpretation of a video in favor of the alleged victim.
It is not. I don't think the other Kampus Kop will help alibi him. His statement sounds very confused, like someone caught in a lie. The other eyewitness, according to the D.A., is going to testify it was a murder. And you keep harping on how this guy's arm was caught yet you never provide any credible explanation as to how he got his arm caught or what his arm was caught on so that he feared being dragged. Since he didn't get dragged and the car moved away, in what way did shooting this helpless (now-dead) driver help him to get his arm free so he would stop being dragged? In short, you're an idiot.
Comments (96 - 189) not displayed.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWas Samuel DuBose driving an out of state vehicle?
#57. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland, Gatlin (#55)
(Edited)
That makes sense. Was Samuel DuBose driving an out of state vehicle?
#58. To: TooConservative (#52)
"and nothing that exonorates him or justifies this shooting has surfaced, despite multiple video cams."
#59. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland (#55)
Was Samuel DuBose driving an out of state vehicle?
"DuBose had the front plate in his glove box and is seen on a video recording of the traffic asking the officer if it was illegal not to have one."
Although Tensing works for UC and the stop occurred about a half-mile from campus, the university's officers are permitted to patrol in areas where many students live off campus.
#60. To: TooConservative (#53)
"It is bad procedure to start manhandling someone sitting their car."
#61. To: GrandIsland (#56)
"Was Samuel DuBose driving an out of state vehicle?"
"I have no clue."
#62. To: nolu chan (#59)
"DuBose had the front plate in his glove box"
#63. To: misterwhite, Too Conservative (#49)
Given that none of Ohio's border states requires a front license plate, it could very well be that those cars were from a neighboring state.
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#64. To: TooConservative (#43)
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#65. To: nolu chan, GrandIsland (#59)
[Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe] Deters said Tensing's actions during the traffic stop show that "he never should have been a police officer." He said UC could not have known if Tensing was a bad officer when he was hired, but he also suggested the university should get out of the law enforcement business.
#66. To: misterwhite (#60)
Be that as it may, we've seen other videos where the individual was dragged from the car by the police. Usually accompanied by a post from you decrying police brutality.
college mall cop?
#67. To: CZ82 (#64)
I've had a Dallas Stars plate over the front license plate on my Olds for the last 9-10 years and have never been told by the cops to get rid of it.
#68. To: TooConservative (#67)
Assuming you live in Texas
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#69. To: CZ82 (#68)
Personally I don't really think the cops here worry about the single plate that much unless the have another reason for stopping you...
#70. To: TooConservative (#65)
"An actual mall cop."
#71. To: TooConservative (#66)
#72. To: misterwhite (#70)
And Mr. Deters is pretending to be a County Prosecutor. He'd better watch his mouth or he's going to end up being disbarred like Mr. Nifong.
#73. To: misterwhite (#71)
I answered your question. Are you going to answer mine?
#74. To: misterwhite (#62)
Did he have one in the glove box or did he SAY he had one in the glove box?
#75. To: misterwhite (#61)
To: GrandIsland "Was Samuel DuBose driving an out of state vehicle?" "I have no clue."
#76. To: TooConservative (#73)
"What was the question?"
#77. To: nolu chan (#74)
"The two story authors SAID his second plate was in the glove box."
#78. To: TooConservative (#72)
"I saw him on the tube."
#79. To: GrandIsland (#0)
#80. To: TooConservative, Pinguinite, GrandIsland (#33)
"You'll notice that this alibi cop is now nowhere to be found."
#81. To: misterwhite (#76)
1) Assuming the cop's arm was caught in the moving car and the cop feared he might be dragged to death, was he justified in shooting the driver?
2) Why did he flee the police for a mere license plate violation?
#82. To: misterwhite (#80)
"Officer Kidd told me that he witnessed the Honda Accord drag Officer Tensing, and that he witnessed Officer Tensing fire a single shot," Wiebel wrote.
#83. To: misterwhite (#80)
#84. To: misterwhite (#80)
Reasonable doubt?
#85. To: misterwhite (#79)
#86. To: TooConservative (#81)
You are asking for an answer to a question that is bootless in this situation.
"I think it doesn't matter."
#87. To: Pinguinite (#83)
"You are demonstrating an overwhelming bias in favor of the cop."
#88. To: GrandIsland (#85)
Oh, believe me, I weep not a tear or feel the least bit of sorrow for this pile of shit... but the officer used DPF when he wasn't justified by necessity.
#89. To: misterwhite (#88)
(Edited)
If the officer's arm was caught in the car and the driver started to accelerate, was the officer justified in shooting?
#90. To: misterwhite (#87)
Bias would be your interpretation of a video in favor of the victim.
#91. To: misterwhite (#77)
Do you think a license plate would fit in a glove box?
#92. To: nolu chan (#91)
Wouldn't it depend on the size of the glove box?
#93. To: Fred Mertz (#89)
"Was the officer justified in touching/grabbing the victim?"
#94. To: Pinguinite (#90)
"In favor of the what?"
#95. To: misterwhite (#86)
Bootless? It was his statement backed up by two eyewitnesses and multiple videos.
.
.
.
[Home] [Headlines] [Latest Articles] [Latest Comments] [Post] [Mail] [Sign-in] [Setup] [Help] [Register]