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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Watching The Cops See other Watching The Cops Articles Title: Video: Ohio cop indicted on murder charge in shooting Officer has said he was dragged by suspect's car and was forced to shoot Source: Associated Press URL Source: [None] Published: Jul 30, 2015 Author: By Lisa Cornwell Associated Press Post Date: 2015-07-30 10:39:43 by GrandIsland Keywords: None Views: 40042 Comments: 189 CINCINNATI — A University of Cincinnati officer who shot a motorist during a traffic stop over a missing front license plate was indicted Wednesday on a murder charge, with a prosecutor saying the officer "purposely killed him" and "should never have been a police officer." Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters announced the grand jury indictment at a news conference to discuss developments in the investigation into the July 19 shooting of 43-year-old motorist Samuel DuBose by Officer Ray Tensing. Authorities have said Tensing spotted a car driven by DuBose and missing the front license plate, which is required by Ohio law. They say Tensing stopped the car and a struggle ensued after DuBose refused to provide a driver's license and get out of the car. Tensing, 25, has said he was dragged by the car and forced to shoot at DuBose. He fired once, striking DuBose in the head. But Deters dismissed Tensing's claim that he was dragged by the car and suggested that he shouldn't have pulled DuBose over to begin with. "He fell backward after he shot (DuBose) in the head," Deters said, adding that it was a "chicken crap" traffic stop. On footage released from the body-camera video Wednesday, the officer could be heard asking for DuBose's driver's license several times with DuBose at one point saying he had one. Later, DuBose said, "But I don't think I have it on me." Tensing asks DuBose to unbuckle his seat belt. About that time Tensing pulls on the door handle, and DuBose puts his hand on the door to keep it closed. Then the video becomes shaky, but a gunshot can be heard and DuBose appears to be slumped in the seat before the car rolls away, coming to stop at a nearby corner. The University of Cincinnati said it fired Tensing after his indictment. Tensing turned himself in Wednesday afternoon at the Hamilton County Justice Center and was processed on charges of murder and voluntary manslaughter. Tensing's attorney, Stewart Mathews, didn't return phone messages seeking comment after the indictment announcement. Mathews said earlier Wednesday that he thought an indictment was likely "given the political climate" and comments made by city officials. But Mathews said given the evidence he's seen, he doesn't believe there should be an indictment. DuBose's death comes amid months of national scrutiny of police dealings with African-Americans, especially those killed by officers. DuBose was black. Tensing is white. Authorities haven't indicated whether race was a part of the investigation. Body-camera video of the shooting was also released Wednesday. DuBose's family had been pressing for its release, and news organizations including The Associated Press had sued Deters to get it released under Ohio open records law, but Deters released it before any ruling had been made. Deters called the shooting "senseless" and "asinine." "He purposely killed him," Deters said. "He should never have been a police officer." The prosecutor also said he thought it was time to reconsider the UC police department's role. "I don't think a university should be in the policing business," Deters said. A message for comment was left Wednesday with the police department. The university said earlier this week it plans an independent review of its police department's policies. The UC officer made the traffic stop near the university's main campus, and UC police have said the intersection was within the campus police's jurisdiction. The University of Cincinnati on Wednesday closed its main campus in anticipation of grand jury action in the case. Mark O'Mara, attorney for DuBose's family, called for a "peaceful and nonaggressive" response from the community after the officer's indictment. O'Mara said the family wanted a peaceful reaction because "Sam was a peaceful person." Tensing has more than five years of experience in law enforcement and has worked as a University of Cincinnati police officer since April 2014, said Jason Goodrich, UC police chief. His annual performance review this April noted that he was extremely strong in the traffic area and maintains control of his weapons and of "situations he is involved in." Tensing formerly worked as an officer in the small Cincinnati suburban village of Greenhills. Deters said when he saw the video of the shooting, he was shocked. "I feel so sorry for this family and what they lost," Deters said. "And I feel sorry for the community, too." If convicted, Tensing could face up to life in prison. Poster Comment: Deckard is losing his mind. He spends time posting garbage by Free Thought Project, where most of the shit he posts has to be written in such a bias way to give the appearance of police misconduct, AND HERE IS A CLEAR CASE OF A BAD OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING... and Deckard doesn't post it. Well I will. This officer should be wood chipped. Hopefully someone here can post the VIDEO... you'll cringe watching it. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-125) not displayed.       .       .       . #126. To: TooConservative (#107) Tensing is going down. It will be a fairly brief trial too. Given the track record of prosecuting police, such as when one doesn't even get a trial after killing someone for an illegal chokehold, anything is possible. I would not bet too much money in favor of a conviction. Pinguinite  posted on  2015-08-02   12:45:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #127. To: misterwhite (#121) DuBose had marijuana in the car and about $2,600 cash. Explains why he tried to flee. He was going to jail. That's pretty obvious... he was a shitbird and he was gonna flee... but we can't shoot people for just being fleeing shitbirds. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   12:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #128. To: Pinguinite (#125) "You are not even worth responding to any more." If you choose to ignore the facts, your response is worthless anyways. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   12:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #129. To: GrandIsland (#127) "but we can't shoot people for just being fleeing shitbirds." I agree. But if the officer's arm was caught in the car and the driver started to accelerate, was the officer justified in shooting? misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   12:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #130. To: TooConservative (#124) They are suspended. So what if they are still drawing a paycheck? Paid suspension is standard and contractual. It has nothing to do with their guilt or innocence. It's kinda like the level of due process we get, criminally. He shouldn't receive punitive damage until AFTER he's found guilty. A constitutional Ideal that the agenda posters hate. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   12:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #131. To: TooConservative (#124) "They are suspended." You do a lot of that. Making up your own definitions for words. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   12:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #132. To: GrandIsland (#130) "Paid suspension is standard and contractual." Paid administrative leave. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   12:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #133. To: misterwhite (#129) But if the officer's arm was caught in the car and the driver started to accelerate, was the officer justified in shooting? Sure.... "But"... If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle... and that shit only happens in Sneaky Petes family. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   12:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #134. To: misterwhite (#132) "Paid suspension is standard and contractual." Paid administrative leave. Same shit, different day. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   12:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #135. To: TooConservative (#124) I wouldn't be surprised if the same happens to his two alibi witnesses. I would. Any false testimony would need to be pretty blatant. As GI said, it's hard to prove someone lied when they say what they think they saw. I agree with that. Any punishment dealt out to other police over this incident, simply because they were on the scene, strikes me as political, intended to pacify the public and prevent widespread protests. IOW, they are scapegoats, and the ones being thrown under the bus. If I'm right on that, then it could expose political bias on the part of the state doing the prosecution and may compromise the case a little bit against Tensing. Again, statements must be objectively provable lies for any punishment to stand. Pinguinite  posted on  2015-08-02   12:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #136. To: GrandIsland (#130) Paid suspension is standard and contractual. It has nothing to do with their guilt or innocence. It's kinda like the level of due process we get, criminally. He shouldn't receive punitive damage until AFTER he's found guilty. A constitutional Ideal that the agenda posters hate. The shooter was fired immediately. Which means his own superiors have zero backing for him and his actions. And the two witnessing cops are both suspended. Normally, just witnessing a shooting will not result in a cop being suspended from duty. Something is wrong with these two alibi Kampus Kops. Otherwise they wouldn't be suspended from their official duties and taken off the duty roster. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   13:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #137. To: Pinguinite (#135) Again, statements must be objectively provable lies for any punishment to stand. Once the experts get done with reassembling and dejittering the video and play the chest-cam videos from the three officers in sync for a jury, I think their initial statements will be totally discredited. And that is why they are suspended. If it's going to emerge in the court case that they are known to have filed false police reports and/or are utterly unreliable witnesses, they can't be used by any police force to enforce the laws. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   13:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #138. To: GrandIsland (#127) ... but we can't shoot people for just being fleeing shitbirds. Unless there is reasonable suspicion they will do grave harm to others. Like armed bank robbers fleeing. Or a known violent felon trying to flee a lawful arrest warrant. This victim was a shitbird but he should be in jail, not a grave. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   13:32:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #139. To: TooConservative (#137) "If it's going to emerge in the court case that they are known to have filed false police reports ..." OR if it's going to emerge in the court case that they are terrorists, they'll never get a job. Both are equally likely. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   14:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #140. To: TooConservative (#136) "The shooter was fired immediately. Which means his own superiors have zero backing for him and his actions." He was fired after he was indicted. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   14:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #141. To: misterwhite (#140) It's like you aren't even a worm of a man, it's like a worm made you his bitch. Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-08-02   14:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #142. To: TooConservative (#138) Unless there is reasonable suspicion they will do grave harm to others. Then they aren't "just" fleeing shitbirds. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   14:43:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #143. To: misterwhite (#139) Both are equally likely. No, they aren't. I know you think you're making an argument but you aren't. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   15:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #144. To: GrandIsland (#142) Then they aren't "just" fleeing shitbirds. I was just affirming that police sometimes make a stop and are justified to shoot a fleeing violent felon. Most people would say it is their duty to arrest them or shoot them. But a Kampus Kop shooting some skeezy guy over a plate violation? No one wants that. I noticed in one of these accounts that they still haven't found the bullet. Interesting, you'd think they would have located it. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   15:44:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #145. To: TooConservative (#144) (Edited) But a Kampus Kop shooting some skeezy guy over a plate violation? No one wants that. You have to be a little careful, not sure about this states training standards, but campus police in NYS attend the same police academy as any other police officer and must satisfy NYS DCJS standards. State college campus police attend the same academy as NYS Police. Most campus officers are very well trained... in fact, they usually receive more in-service training, once qualified because they have huge budgets and very limited call volumes I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   15:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #146. To: GrandIsland (#145) (Edited) State college campus police attend the same academy as NYS Police. What I notice is that in circumstances like the UVa shooter, nothing happens until real police show up. Real police with real detectives and real SWAT teams and real dogs and real armored vehicles, etc. With the Boston bombers (Tsarnaev's), they encountered a Kampus Kop and he only ended up in the body count. Perhaps you can provide an example or two of heroic Kampus Kops if you know of any. I would be surprised if any Kampus Kop organization can ever match the local regular PDs in their areas, even with lower workloads and less serious crime on their beat. As I said, I prefer to see colleges use real police, police that are trained and ready for a full range of law enforcement. And this guy's inservice training couldn't have helped much in that 2014 stop where he was humiliated by the two smart black yout's who knew the law on when and who has to provide ID to an officer during a stop. He didn't look too well-trained in that vid. [I did post it above; Tensing was pretty pathetic.] Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   16:03:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #147. To: TooConservative (#146) (Edited) What I notice is that in circumstances like the UVa shooter, nothing happens until real police show up. That's because they are well trained in class, with hardly any real patrol experience. Campus police normally rely on city police tactical units, by policy since most large colleges are situated in large urban settings, and response times for an agency assist are fast. Campus police normally don't have the officer numbers to make tactical teams on their own. Plain and simple, campus officers have trained 3 times as much to deal with a nut case but deal with them 95% less than city, state and county police, as just one example. Campus police deal with larcenies of cell phones, drunk students, stalking and domestic issues... and as they get bored with their small jurisdiction and limited types of calls, they venture off campus, tho keeping close, and stop vehicles for excitement. This officer probably never had a high speed pursuit in his career... and gosh damn it, he wasn't gonna that day either. He shot him instead. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-02   17:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #148. To: TooConservative (#146) "As I said, I prefer to see colleges use real police, police that are trained and ready for a full range of law enforcement." You mean ... like Tensing? He was a real officer with the Greenhills Police Department starting in 2011. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   17:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #149. To: Dead Culture Watch (#141) That's it? You pop up into the thread at post #141 like a Whack-A-Mole and that's all you you have to add to the discussion? You're a pathetic piece of shit. Let your mom have her computer back. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   17:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #150. To: GrandIsland (#147) Campus police deal with larcenies of cell phones, drunk students, stalking and domestic issues... and as they get bored with their small jurisdiction and limited types of calls, they venture off campus, tho keeping close, and stop vehicles for excitement. This officer probably never had a high speed pursuit in his career... and gosh damn it, he wasn't gonna that day either. He shot him instead. lol What, we have to give up even our most precious white privileges?     : ) You actually have described my own perception of this case pretty accurately. This is why real PDs pair up inexperienced cops with veterans. Experience makes a huge difference. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   18:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #151. To: TooConservative (#143) "I know you think you're making an argument but you aren't." Do you have any basis upon which you speculate, "If it's going to emerge in the court case that they are known to have filed false police reports and/or are utterly unreliable witnesses"? Any at all? Any reason to make a statement like this? You have none. Neither, of course, do I. Meaning my statement is just as relevant as yours. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   18:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #152. To: misterwhite (#151) Any at all? Any reason to make a statement like this? Just that he sounds like a dissembling liar who can't get his contradictory alibi straght in his own head. Other than that, no. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   18:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #153. To: TooConservative (#144) "I noticed in one of these accounts that they still haven't found the bullet. Interesting, you'd think they would have located it." Maybe it lodged in the marijuana he was carrying. Or in the $2600 in cash he was carrying. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   18:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #154. To: misterwhite, Liberator, Deckard (#153) Maybe it lodged in the marijuana he was carrying. Or in the $2600 in cash he was carrying. So then you're fine with a cop that shoots anyone in the head who has pot or some cash in their car? That's where you set the bar for summary execution by a Kampus Kop on the streets of America? Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   18:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #155. To: TooConservative (#152) "Just that he sounds like a dissembling liar who can't get his contradictory alibi straght in his own head." Who? Tensing, Kidd or Lindenschmidt? Or all three? Yeah, all three are dissembling liars, right? misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   18:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #156. To: Dead Culture Watch (#141) It's like you aren't even a worm of a man, it's like a worm made you his bitch. Can I borrow that for a tag line sometime? It seems very effective.     : ) Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   18:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #157. To: TooConservative (#154) "So then you're fine with a cop that shoots anyone in the head who has pot or some cash in their car?" No. I said that's where the bullet might be. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-02   18:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #158. To: misterwhite (#155) Who? Tensing, Kidd or Lindenschmidt? Or all three? Lindenschmidt in particular. Yeah, all three are dissembling liars, right? Finally, you've begun to admit the truth. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   18:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #159. To: misterwhite (#149) have to add to the discussion? Why waste time arguing with a complete sack like yourself? You are a liar. You are dishonest. You make normal people's skin crawl. In short, you suck at life in every way. Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-08-02   18:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #160. To: TooConservative, misterwhite, the worms bitch (#156) It's like you aren't even a worm of a man, it's like a worm made you his bitch. Can I borrow that for a tag line sometime? It seems very effective. : ) Lol, it's yours.... Was easy to come up with given that's exactly how I think of whitey. Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-08-02   18:33:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #161. To: misterwhite, DeadCultureWatch, GrandIsland (#155) Who? Tensing, Kidd or Lindenschmidt? Or all three? I think their colleague, Special Officer Doofy, was involved too. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-02   18:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #162. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone (#105) An image at #7 shows Tensing with a black watch band on his left arm, as does the image at 1:59 at #105. At #105 is an image at 1:56 and the comment, “At the 1:56 screen grab, it appears as though the officer's left arm is trapped in the crook of the drivers left arm.” This appears to be impossible due to the position of the watch band. It appears the background behind the crook of DuBose’s left arm is out of focus. Tensing’s right arm is well above the crook of DuBose’s left arm. It appears to be around the height of DuBose’s head, rather than the crook of his left arm. Not far in front of the watch band is the butt of the gun, out of focus. nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-03   3:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #163. To: misterwhite, TooConservative (#140) [TooConservative #136] The shooter was fired immediately. [misterwhite #140] He was fired after he was indicted. It appears that Tensing was fired, but unlawfully. A government employee is considered to have a property right in his employment and cannot be lawfuly fired without observance of due process, including fair notice and a hearing. IMHO, the university will be paying him. It does not matter how guilty he may appear or what the crime is. The University should have suspended him and placed him on paid administrative leave until they could comply with required due process. Government failure to follow due process gets many, many of their administrative actions overturned. http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/07/31/tensing-union-demands-uc-job-back/30932331/ Tensing, through union, demands his UC job back Anne Saker, asaker@enquirer.com Cincinnati.com 3:43 p.m. EDT July 31, 2015 The union representing the University of Cincinnati police force has filed a grievance on behalf of Raymond Tensing demanding that he get his job back as an officer because the university fired him this week without due process, a union official said Friday. Thomas Fehr, representative of the Fraternal Order of Police-Ohio Labor Council, said the union filed the grievance Thursday, the same day Tensing was arraigned on murder charges in Hamilton County Common Pleas Court. Tensing is accused of killing motorist Sam DuBose July 19 in Mount Auburn. Tensing had stopped DuBose because his car did not have a front license plate. As DuBose turns his ignition key, starting the car, Tensing pulled out his service weapon and fired. Tensing was wearing a body camera that captured the exchange. On Wednesday, Tensing was indicted on murder charges, and the university fired him from the police force. The FOP represents the members of the force, and Fehr said the university did not abide by its three-year contract with the union in dismissing Tensing. “We filed the grievance, No. 1 because there was no just cause, and No. 2 because he was not afforded his due process rights under the contract,” Fehr said. Friday, university spokeswoman Michele Ralston said: "The university stands by its decision to terminate Officer Ray Tensing." The grievance said, "Officer Tensing was terminated on 7/29/2015 without just cause for an on-duty fatal shooting. While Officer Tensing was indicted on a charge of murder, the indictment is not a conviction. Officer Tensing was also denied his due process rights of a pre-disciplinary hearing under the contract." The grievance asked for Tensing to be reinstated immediately and "is to be made whole for all back pay and benefits including but not limited to sick time, vacation time, holidays, shift differential, pension contributions etc. afforded under the current contract." Under the contract, the university has seven calendar days – or until Aug. 6 – to hold a hearing. Fehr said that at the hearing, the university could either restore Tensing in his job or decline, then the case would go to arbitration. That process could take four to six months to conduct. “The contract language says that if you’re going to discipline an employee for anything that involves loss of pay, suspension, demotion or termination, the university is required to have a pre-disciplinary conference with the employee. That was not done,” Fehr said. “They are also required to give the employee a copy of the formal charges, and that was not done. They just fired him and didn’t follow due process.” Fehr said that Tensing was notified that the union was filing the grievance on his behalf. “He wanted it done,” Fehr said. nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-03   3:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #164. To: nolu chan, misterwhite (#163) It appears that Tensing was fired, but unlawfully. A government employee is considered to have a property right in his employment and cannot be lawfuly fired without observance of due process, including fair notice and a hearing. IMHO, the university will be paying him. It does not matter how guilty he may appear or what the crime is. The University should have suspended him and placed him on paid administrative leave until they could comply with required due process. Union law and contracts can vary by state or locality. But even if the university ends up having to pay him, they have disavowed his actions publicly in advance. This was probably their purpose. So what if they have to cut some checks to him later, knowing all along that that was the likely outcome? In the meantime, no mob will be showing up to hound the regents or the Kampus Kops offices. It may be the university has legal cause to fire him. We don't know all the specifics of the local contract. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-03   8:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #165. To: nolu chan (#162) "An image at #7 shows Tensing with a black watch band on his left arm, as does the image at 1:59 at #105." The image at #7 is of the other cop (either Kidd or Lindenschmidt) with a black watch band on his left wrist. The image at 1:59 at #105 shows the watch on Tensing's right wrist. As does the the image at 1:56 at #105. In the lower left corner of 1:56, you can see Tensing's (white) left arm behind the driver's (black) left arm and Tensing appears to be grabbing the shoulder strap of the seat belt. That photo is the moment the driver was shot, so it's intentionally blurred. Take away the blurring and you'll see Tensing's arm was trapped. And the prosecutor knows this. Given that Tensing's arm was trapped while the driver accelerated, it gave him reason to believe his life was in danger. Yer honor, the defense rests. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-03   9:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #166. To: nolu chan (#163) "The University should have suspended him and placed him on paid administrative leave until they could comply with required due process." But ... but then the angry black people might have rioted on our pretty campus!! Much better to rush to judgement, proclaim him guilty, fire him, and if that means we have to give him back pay, what the f**k. There was a shooting by another UC cop some years ago. I'll have to find it to see what happened there. misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-03   9:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (167 - 189) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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