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Title: Criminal Inquiry Is Sought in Clinton Email Account
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URL Source: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/23/crim ... ary-clintons-use-of-email.html
Published: Jul 24, 2015
Author: Michael S. Schmidt and Matt Apuzzo
Post Date: 2015-07-24 13:54:29 by redleghunter
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WASHINGTON — Two inspectors general have asked the Justice Department to open a criminal investigation into whether sensitive government information was mishandled in connection with the personal email account Hillary Rodham Clinton used as secretary of state, senior government officials said Thursday. The request follows an assessment in a June 29 memo by the inspectors general for the State Department and the intelligence agencies that Mrs. Clinton's private account contained "hundreds of potentially classified emails." The memo was written to Patrick F. Kennedy, the under secretary of state for management. It is not clear if any of the information in the emails was marked as classified by the State Department when Mrs. Clinton sent or received them. But since her use of a private email account for official State Department business was revealed in March, she has repeatedly said that she had no classified information on the account. The initial revelation has been an issue in the early stages of her presidential campaign. Poster Comment: 
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#1. To: redleghunter (#0)
She might be in trouble, since she is not a member of the Tan Klan Si vis pacem, para bellum
LOL, that photo looks like a booking mug shot, minus the info line at the bottom.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Right. The sender sent information which was not yet officially classified. Hillary Clinton received information which had not yet been officially classified. As head of the State Department, did she have a duty to recognize the intelligence reports as highly classified and classify them, and give them the required protection? As the information was clearly compromised, should it have been so reported? It would not seem to help if Sidney Blumenthal were to be considered to have acted in some official State Department capacity and to have sufficient clearance and access authorization. It would only make him responsible to have protected it in the first place. Hillary's server clearly contained intelligence reports with Top Secret information. The Agency head is responsible for the protection of classified information within her agency.
Apparently, this was a security referral to DoJ, not a criminal referral. So not exactly a smoking gun and may be just a way to whitewash Xlinton so that it's all old news by the time the nomination battle is going on. The Xlintons play that "old news" fiddle like it's a Stradivarius.
by Josh Feldman | 5:41 pm, July 24th, 2015 Two government inspectors general involved in the Hillary Clinton email referral flap released a joint statement this afternoon to try and explain exactly what happened. This whole thing started off with a New York Times report saying that IGs at the State Department and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence requested that the Department of Justice open a criminal probe into Clinton’s use of private emails due to classified information contained within. But then the Times edited the story after the Clinton camp complained, and then, despite the DOJ saying earlier they got a criminal referral, the DOJ later said it was a different kind of referral. So the two aforementioned IGs released a joint statement later explaining that the referral was not criminal in nature, “it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes.” Here’s the full statement from I. Charles McCullough, III and Steve Linick: The IC IG found four emails containing classified IC-derived information in a limited sample of 40 emails of the 30,000 emails provided by former Secretary Clinton. The four emails, which have not been released through the State FOIA process, did not contain classification markings and/or dissemination controls. These emails were not retroactively classified by the State Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today. This classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system. IC IG made a referral detailing the potential compromise of classified information to security officials within the Executive Branch. The main purpose of the referral was to notify security officials that classified information may exist on at least one private server and thumb drive that are not in the government’s possession. An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral––it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes. The IC IG is statutorily required to refer potential compromises of national security information to the appropriate IC security officials.
That would appear to be correct. Hillary Clinton was clearly, and undeniably, the one and only original classifying authority for the State Department at the time. While Hillary Clinton could have delegated a limited number of subordinates to exercise her original classifying authority, she remained the responsible original classifying authority. She could delegate authority, but she could not delegate away her responsibility. Anyone who knows much of anything about classified material could take one look at the stuff Sidney Blumenthal was sending and know it should have been marked Top Secret by Hillary Clinton. The improper receipt of such information should not have continued for years. She cannot disown her responsibility to have classified the material at the first instance. However, it will be whitewashed. http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/85348.pdf Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information This order prescribes a uniform system for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national security information, including information relating to defense against transnational terrorism. Our democratic principles require that the American people be informed of the activities of their Government. Also, our Nation's progress depends on the free flow of information both within the Government and to the American people. Nevertheless, throughout our history, the national defense has required that certain information be maintained in confidence in order to protect our citizens, our democratic institutions, our homeland security, and our interactions with foreign nations. Protecting information critical to our Nation's security and demonstrating our commitment to open Government through accurate and accountable application of classification standards and routine, secure, and effective declassification are equally important priorities. NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows: PART 1 -- ORIGINAL CLASSIFICATION Section 1.1. Classification Standards. (a) Information may be originally classified under the terms of this order only if all of the following conditions are met: (1) an original classification authority is classifying the information; (2) the information is owned by, produced by or for, or is under the control of the United States Government; (3) the information falls within one or more of the categories of information listed in section 1.4 of this order; and (4) the original classification authority determines that the unauthorized disclosure of the information reasonably could be expected to result in damage to the national security, which includes defense against transnational terrorism, and the original classification authority is able to identify or describe the damage. [...] Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. (a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by: (1) the President and the Vice President; (2) agency heads and officials designated by the President; and (3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph (c) of this section. (b) Officials authorized to classify information at a specified level are also authorized to classify information at a lower level. (c) Delegation of original classification authority. (1) Delegations of original classification authority shall be limited to the minimum required to administer this order. Agency heads are responsible for ensuring that designated subordinate officials have a demonstrable and continuing need to exercise this authority. (2) "Top Secret" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section. (3) "Secret" or "Confidential" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section, or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4(d) of this order, provided that official has been delegated "Top Secret" original classification authority by the agency head. (4) Each delegation of original classification authority shall be in writing and the authority shall not be redelegated except as provided in this order. Each delegation shall identify the official by name or position. (5) Delegations of original classification authority shall be reported or made available by name or position to the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office. (d) All original classification authorities must receive training in proper classification (including the avoidance of over-classification) and declassification as provided in this order and its implementing directives at least once a calendar year. Such training must include instruction on the proper safeguarding of classified information and on the sanctions in section 5.5 of this order that may be brought against an individual who fails to classify information properly or protect classified information from unauthorized disclosure. Original classification authorities who do not receive such mandatory training at least once within a calendar year shall have their classification authority suspended by the agency head or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4(d) of this order until such training has taken place. A waiver may be granted by the agency head, the deputy agency head, or the senior agency official if an individual is unable to receive such training due to unavoidable circumstances. Whenever a waiver is granted, the individual shall receive such training as soon as practicable. (e) Exceptional cases. When an employee, government contractor, licensee, certificate holder, or grantee of an agency who does not have original classification authority originates information believed by that person to require classification, the information shall be protected in a manner consistent with this order and its implementing directives. The information shall be transmitted promptly as provided under this order or its implementing directives to the agency that has appropriate subject matter interest and classification authority with respect to this information. That agency shall decide within 30 days whether to classify this information. [snip]
Probably not Top Secret. That is a VERY controlled medium usually requiring two person control. Secret? Sure I can see that. Most day to day work for her was no doubt at the secret level. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
Which can lead to a criminal investigation. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
You are delusional if you think that any real investigation will be conducted, much have any action taken against her. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
That is pretty much true. Unless.......The Donald is President. Then some heads are gonna role.
I think you meant roll.
Yeah, yours for one when you realize that he is a shill for Hillary. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Dumb. Shills don't mock the person they are shilling for.
The intelligence reports naming officials of a foreign government and quoting them at a meeting of the same day, or very recent time, would clearly qualify for a Top Secret classification. TS was coming across online encrypted (JASON) military communications circuits 30 to 40 years ago. The State stuff has been handled on separate circuitry as denoted by its 82B1 formatting, which predates AUTODIN. That format was used by the military in the 60s before AUTODIN. Everybody in the Comm Center was cleared Top Secret. The closer handling occurred after it was delivered by the comms personnel. Everything had to have a clear classification designation before initial transmission on the comms circuits. Hillary bypassed the official comms circuits, but she could not bypass the requirement to properly classify the material. Her lunch schedule would have been SECRET. http://www.rt.com/usa/complete-emails-guccifer-clinton-554/ Check out the Guccifer hacked email from Sidney Blumenthal's account that was going to Hillary. This stuff relates highly sensitive intel that was less than 24 hours old. See the one from February 16, 2013 February 16, 2013 For: Hillary SOURCE: Sources with direct access to Libyan national Government, as well as the highest levels of European Governments, and Western Intelligence and security services. 1. As of February 15, 2013 Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika instructed the commanders of the Algerian external intelligence service (Direction Générale de la Sécurité - DGSE) to provide Libyan intelligence chief, General Salim Hassi, with selected portions of the information obtained in the investigation of the terrorist attack on the facility at In Amenas. The President cautioned the DGSE commanders to manage the information being passed with care, keeping in mind that he is not convinced the new General National Council (GNC) government of Libya will survive through 2013. He also warned them to void passing any information that might be interpreted to indicate that the Algerian government had not been properly prepared for the attack. Bouteflika added that they should move forward with this exchange as quickly as possible, since Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zidan was calling him every day to push for greater cooperation, particularly regarding contacts between the Mokhtar Belmokhtar (MBM) terrorist groups and groups and individuals in Libya. [snip] It goes on for several pages more, with a total of six similar paragraphs. Here we have the President of Algeria sharing intel with the Libyan intel chief, and linking in the Libyan Prime Minister, and the events reported are less than 24 hours old. This sort of compromise could threaten the life of the extremely sensitive source. The extremely sensitive sources, and the timing and subject matter, justify a TS classification.
I am not that delusional. My #6
Basically they were creating TS information without properly classifying. Amazing. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
Nice Orwellian sentences. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Fox Report, 25 Jul 2015, at 7:57 p.m. EDT, Hillary Clinton speaking: And Bill did not have sex with that woman. They engaged in non-sex. I was not classified, but it should have been, and she is the one who should have classified it. The correct question is why she did not classify it after she received it, and why she retained it on her non-secure server. With Hillary's excruciating parsing, she is legally correct. She neither sent nor received any information that was classified when it was sent or received. Before Hillary saw it, it is not known to have been in the possession of anyone with authority and responsibility to classify it. Technically, it is not classified until a person with authorization assigns it a classification. Nobody is known to have classified the information before Hillary sent it. But before Hillary sent it, she was the original classifying authority who had the authority and the responsibility to have classified it. It only remained technically unclassified because of her utter security failure to properly handle information for which she had a duty to protect. She kept it on a non-secure personal server long after she had sent it onward. Presumably, information she forwarded was classified at the State Department. During almost all the time that she kept said information on her non-secure server, it was officially classified. Of the load of edited junk she has recently turned over, IG tested a random sample of 40 emails and found 4 with information that is still classified.
Nailed it first try! "Old news,let's move on!" it is! And check out the bio of the guy that is supposed to check this out,Patrick F. Kennedy. Not only was his Rabbi for appointed high government off a guy named Bill Clintoin,but check this out The Republican minority on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has alleged that Kennedy, as Undersecretary for Management, failed to approve requests for additional security in Benghazi and Tripoli, and failed to implement recommendations regarding high-risk diplomatic posts that had been issued after the bombings of embassies in 1998.[5] In fact, the facility was classified as a U.S. Special Mission, which was then a novel category,[6] that required a waiver which "legally allowed the CIA annex to be housed in a location about one mile from the U.S. special mission."[7] Belgian Ambassador Investigation On June 10, 2013, CBS News reported that a memo from an official in the State Department inspector general’s office alleged that the then-current ambassador to Belgium, Howard Gutman, was ditching his security detail to engage prostitutes and to allegedly solicit sex with children, and further alleged that Patrick F. Kennedy had killed the original investigation in order to protect Ambassador Gutman and maybe others. [8] On June 11, 2013, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney confirmed that the allegation regarding Kennedy was under active investigation by an independent inspector general.[9][10][11] On June 21, 2013, the White House announced Denise Bauer as the new nominee to be the next U.S. Ambassador to Belgium." Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
True,and BY DEFINITION anything she did not classify was not classified information. Remember when that shithead Jim-mah Carter exposed Top Secret Code Word intelligence about the Stealth fighters and bombers ready to come online in order to try to pump up is re-election chances and absolutely nothing happened to him for doing so despite the FACT that anyone below him doing that would have received life in prison? It wasn't classified if the president says it wasn't classified. Same thing is going to happen here. She didn't classify it so it wasn't classified. Can't we just MOVE ON? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Not unless a deposit is missed,anyway. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yeah that's the ticket. Trump is spending millions and losing millions so they can give him how much? You're not to bright.
If it came from info classified by other lawful classifiers, her opinion of its classification is irrelevant. A SoS has classification rights over documents they write, but they can't reclassify a classified Pentagon or CIA document on a whim. There is an audit trail of who classifies info and everyone it is transmitted to and each individual has the responsibility to safeguard any classified material. They are not arbitrarily allowed to reclassify documents they have received. Declassification follows other rather strict protocols, as when old government documents from DoE or Pentagon or State get declassified years or decades later. So I think you are overestimating Hitlery's authority to reclassify anything that came into her hands as SoS.
Of course you are correct. I noticed that poster was incorrect too. Didn't want to rub his nose in it at this time though.
Try to spell it right, so that you don't look like a total idiot. It's TOO. Thats a pretty arrogant post on your part; you didn't even notify the poster you were discussing.
To be fair, he is cutting back on Internet costs; he is charged by the keyboard character (ASCII) and he is saving money as a prudent web site owner!
Accidents happen Buckeroo. After all you were born.
I was planned at the beginning of tyme. What is your excuse?
Argument rule # 1: When you've lost an argument or can't defend your position, correct grammar. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
That is true. But your parents still had an accident. I'm happy that you are here Buck. You're a unique individual.
When you've lost an argument or can't defend your position, correct grammar. Your comment above is a perfect example of an idiot POM-POM girl that wasn't even involved but begs to get her nose rubbed in it.
What are you doing Stone? Drivin goff some of our best posters again? What did you do, today? Go to Sunday school and learn "HELL and DAMNATION" once again?
I've said nothing about Grandisland. I was talking about you.
I was referring to your angst about "sneakypete" ... you seem to think he characterizes the word "evil."
I attack all fag lovers that are for Bernie Sanders. Do you agree with your bestest bud Pete, that Bernie Sanders is the best candidate and is a conservative? Do you agree with your good friend Pete that people who support Traditional marriage (marriage) are bigots and discriminate against faggots?
I agree with no politician. After election all of them wipe of their silly grins and put on their clown masks when entering the Washington DC circus. Your question makes no sense. I even looked for an answer in my 8BALL, and it suggests: TRY AGAIN.
That wasn't the question. But reading between the lines I can see you think Pete is full of it on this issue. If you think Pete is correct just say so.
You're not to bright. Yeah,that's true. If there is one thing that can be said about the international bankers that are buying up the world and have enough money to hire him to cut their lawns,it's that they have no money. It is also true that the one thing Trump absolutely hates is money,right? Good thinking! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Another dodge by you. You're not being honest. You just don't want to hurt your bff's feelings. Pete thinks you're a bigot because you don't support pretend "fag marriage".
Then it will be the fault of some secretary or clerk that retyped it and handed it to her without telling her. NOTHING is EVER going to be her fault. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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#2. To: redleghunter (#0)
#3. To: redleghunter (#0)
It is not clear if any of the information in the emails was marked as classified by the State Department when Mrs. Clinton sent or received them.
#4. To: redleghunter (#0)
#5. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#4)
Apparently, this was a security referral to DoJ, not a criminal referral.
Inspectors General Release Joint Statement to Clear Up Hillary Email Referral Flap
Yesterday the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community (IC IG) sent a congressional notification to intelligence oversight committees updating them of the IC IG support to the State Department IG [attached].
#6. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#4)
So not exactly a smoking gun and may be just a way to whitewash Xlinton
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
December 29, 2009
#7. To: nolu chan (#3)
#8. To: nolu chan (#5)
An important distinction is that the IC IG did not make a criminal referral––it was a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes.
#9. To: nolu chan, redleghunter, All (#3)
Hillary's server clearly contained intelligence reports with Top Secret information. The Agency head is responsible for the protection of classified information within her agency.
#10. To: SOSO (#9)
You are delusional if you think that any real investigation will be conducted, much have any action taken against her.
#11. To: A K A Stone (#10)
#12. To: A K A Stone (#10)
Unless.......The Donald is President. Then some heads are gonna role.
#13. To: SOSO (#12)
Yeah, yours for one when you realize that he is a shill for Hillary.
#14. To: redleghunter (#7)
Probably not Top Secret. That is a VERY controlled medium usually requiring two person control.
CONFIDENTIAL
From: Sid
Re: Algeria/Libya/Terrorism
THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION COMES FROM EXTREMELY SENSITIVE SOURCES AND SHOULD BE HANDLED WITH CARE.
#15. To: SOSO (#9)
You are delusional if you think that any real investigation will be conducted, much have any action taken against her.
She cannot disown her responsibility to have classified the material at the first instance. However, it will be whitewashed.
#16. To: nolu chan (#14)
#17. To: nolu chan (#15)
She cannot disown her responsibility to have classified the material at the first instance. However, it will be whitewashed.
#18. To: redleghunter (#16)
“I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material,” Mrs. Clinton told reporters in March. “I’m certainly aware of the classified requirements and did not send classified material.”
I never sent nor received any information that was classified at the time it was sent and received.
#19. To: TooConservative (#4)
So not exactly a smoking gun and may be just a way to whitewash Xlinton so that it's all old news by the time the nomination battle is going on. The Xlintons play that "old news" fiddle like it's a Stradivarius.
#20. To: nolu chan (#3)
The Agency head is responsible for the protection of classified information within her agency.
#21. To: A K A Stone (#13)
Shills don't mock the person they are shilling for.
#22. To: sneakypete (#21)
#23. To: sneakypete (#20)
Same thing is going to happen here. She didn't classify it so it wasn't classified.
#24. To: TooConservative (#23)
If it came from info classified by other lawful classifiers, her opinion of its classification is irrelevant.
#25. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz (#22)
You're not to bright.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#26. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#24)
I noticed that poster was incorrect too. Didn't want to rub his nose in it at this time though.
#27. To: hondo68, A K A Stone (#25)
Try to spell it right, so that you don't look like a total idiot. It's TOO.
#28. To: buckeroo (#26)
#29. To: A K A Stone (#28)
#30. To: hondo68 (#25)
Try to spell it right
#31. To: buckeroo (#29)
I was planned at the beginning of tyme.
#32. To: GrandIsland (#30)
#33. To: A K A Stone (#31)
#34. To: buckeroo (#33)
Drivin goff some of our best posters again?
#35. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#34)
#36. To: buckeroo (#35)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Do you agree with your bestest bud Pete, that Bernie Sanders is the best candidate and is a conservative?
Do you agree with your good friend Pete that people who support Traditional marriage (marriage) are bigots and discriminate against faggots?
#38. To: buckeroo (#37)
Do you agree with your bestest bud Pete, that Bernie Sanders is the best candidate and is a conservative? I agree with no politician.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#22)
Yeah that's the ticket. Trump is spending millions and losing millions so they can give him how much?
#40. To: buckeroo (#37)
Do you agree with your good friend Pete that people who support Traditional marriage (marriage) are bigots and discriminate against faggots? Your question makes no sense.
#41. To: TooConservative (#23)
A SoS has classification rights over documents they write, but they can't reclassify a classified Pentagon or CIA document on a whim.
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