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Title: These Are the Top 20 Cities Americans Are Ditching
Source: Bloomberg Business
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic ... -cities-americans-are-ditching
Published: Jul 22, 2015
Author: Erin RomanWei Lu
Post Date: 2015-07-22 12:59:37 by nativist nationalist
Keywords: None
Views: 2397
Comments: 12

New York City, Los Angeles, Honolulu: They're all places you would think would be popular destinations for Americans. So it might come as a surprise that these are among the cities U.S. residents are fleeing in droves.

The map below shows the 20 metropolitan areas that lost the greatest share of local people to other parts of the country between July 2013 and July 2014, according to a Bloomberg News analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data. The New York City area ranked 2nd, losing about a net 163,000 U.S. residents, closely followed by a couple surrounding suburbs in Connecticut. Honolulu ranked fourth and Los Angeles ranked 14th. The Bloomberg calculations looked at the 100 most populous U.S. metropolitan areas.

Interestingly, these are also the cities with some of the highest net inflows of people from outside the country. That gives many of these cities a steadily growing population, despite the net exodus of people moving within the U.S.

So what's going on here? Michael Stoll, a professor of public policy and urban planning at the University of California Los Angeles, has an idea. Soaring home prices are pushing local residents out and scaring away potential new ones from other parts of the country, he said. (Everyone knows how unaffordable the Manhattan area has become.)

And as Americans leave, people from abroad move in to these bustling cities to fill the vacant low-skilled jobs. They are able to do so by living in what Stoll calls "creative housing arrangements" in which they pack six to eight individuals, or two to four families, into one apartment or home. It's an arrangement that most Americans just aren't willing to pursue, and even many immigrants decide it's not for them as time goes by, he said.

In addition, the growing demand for high-skilled workers, especially in the technology industry, brought foreigners who possess those skills to the U.S. They are compensated appropriately and can afford to live in these high-cost areas, just like Americans who hold similar positions. One example is Washington, D.C., which had a lot of people from abroad arriving to soak up jobs in the growing tech-hub, Stoll said. Other areas weren't so lucky. Take some of the Rust Belt cities that experienced fast drops in their American populations, like Cleveland, Dayton and Toledo, even though they are relatively inexpensive places to live. These cities didn't get enough international migrants to make up for the those who left, a reflection of the fact that locals were probably leaving out of a lack of jobs.

This is part of a multiple-decade trend of the U.S. population moving away from these manufacturing hubs to areas in the Sun Belt and the Pacific Northwest, Stoll said. Retiring baby boomers are also leaving the Northeast and migrating to more affordable places with better climates. This explains why the majority of metropolitan areas in Florida and Texas, as well as west-coast cities like Portland, had an influx of people. El Paso, Texas, the city that residents fled from at the fastest pace, also saw a surprisingly small number of foreigners settling in given how close it is to Mexico.

"A lot of young, reasonably educated people are having a hard time finding work there," Stoll said. "They're not staying in town after they graduate," leaving for the faster-growing economies of neighboring metro areas like Dallas and Austin, he said.

Methodology: Bloomberg ranked 100 of the most populous U.S. metropolitan areas based on their net domestic migration rates, from July 1, 2013 to July 1, 2014, as a percentage of total population as of July 2013. Domestic migration refers to people moving within the country (e.g. someone moving from New York City to San Francisco). A negative rate indicates more people leaving than coming in. International migration refers to a local resident leaving for a foreign country or someone from outside the U.S. moving into the U.S.


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And as Americans leave, people from abroad move in to these bustling cities to fill the vacant low-skilled jobs. They are able to do so by living in what Stoll calls "creative housing arrangements" in which they pack six to eight individuals, or two to four families, into one apartment or home. It's an arrangement that most Americans just aren't willing to pursue, and even many immigrants decide it's not for them as time goes by, he said.

I think it can be said with justice that the only element of the population which has made any real and permanent gain through the concentration of industries into vast cities like Detroit or Pittsburgh is that minute segment of the population which owned the earth upon which cities such as these were built. - Louis Bromfield

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#1. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

What normal American can afford to live in New York City,
Los Angeles, or Honolulu anyway?

I suppose that there are parts of these places one could
afford to live - but would one WANT to live in those
places? (And I don't know if anywhere in Honolulu
is affordable - besides a dumpster.)

Actually any of them could be places where one
could find live-albly affordable housing -
but again - what sane person would want to?...

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-07-22   13:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Chuck_Wagon (#1)

What normal American can afford to live in New York City, Los Angeles, or Honolulu anyway?

I think supply and demand could have solved the problem, but the ruling class keeps the cities filled with aliens. Some cities might have become more pleasant, in particular if one had a weekend place in the country like the Russian dachas.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-07-22   13:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: nativist nationalist (#2)

...Some cities might have become more pleasant...

I don't really know - as I've been mostly a suburban
guy - with a few ex-urban escapes out into the
countryside - but who wants to commute an hour each
way - every day? I did it - and got really darn tired
of it. "Ooh the redbuds are in bloom! Look, a deer!"

Ain't worth it it.

Then there was downtown Phoenix. Lived in the tri-plex rental.
The women hogged the washer and dryer in the laundry room.
I enjoyed doing my laundry at 3AM.

In Springfield, Oregon and Reno, Nevada I had my own washer and
dryer - so that was Oh SO much better.

But at one time I lived in a two bedroom rental rancher in
Powhatan, Virginia on 10 acres. I should have never left
that place... (Until I could have afforded to, of course...)

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-07-22   14:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Chuck_Wagon (#1)

I'm still a few years away from escaping the NYC area . In the meantime ,it's where my job is located . Certainly can't retire here even though I love the city and the area . The property taxes alone is like paying a 2nd mortage on my home .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-07-22   14:43:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Chuck_Wagon, nativist nationalist (#1)

What normal American can afford to live in New York City, Los Angeles, or Honolulu anyway?

The ones on the Fed or State dole, you know, the new normal.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-22   15:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tomder55 (#4)

I'm still a few years away from escaping the NYC area . In the meantime ,it's where my job is located . Certainly can't retire here even though I love the city and the area . The property taxes alone is like paying a 2nd mortage on my home .

You live in Long Island outside of NYC? Because those LI real estate taxes are high (as are those in suburbia in general) while real estate taxes for homes inside of NYC proper are much lower.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-22   15:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Chuck_Wagon (#1)

What normal American can afford to live in New York City, Los Angeles, or Honolulu anyway?

Some high wage opportunities are there. It's required by the cost of living there.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-07-22   18:49:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pericles (#6)

You live in Long Island outside of NYC? Because those LI real estate taxes are high (as are those in suburbia in general) while real estate taxes for homes inside of NYC proper are much lower.

I'm in the Hudson Valley ,but was raised on Long Island. Yes we get fleeced in suburbia. The median property tax in my county is over $10,000 (about $1,000 more than Nassau).

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-07-22   19:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tomder55 (#8) (Edited)

You live in Long Island outside of NYC? Because those LI real estate taxes are high (as are those in suburbia in general) while real estate taxes for homes inside of NYC proper are much lower.

I'm in the Hudson Valley ,but was raised on Long Island. Yes we get fleeced in suburbia. The median property tax in my county is over $10,000 (about $1,000 more than Nassau).

This report was talking about New York City not the state. Real estate and rents are nuts and so is income and sales tax but property taxes are low in the city limits.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-22   19:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pericles (#9)

This report was talking about New York City not the state.

Got confused by this line in the article : The New York City area ranked 2nd, losing about a net 163,000 U.S.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-07-22   20:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tomder55 (#10)

Cost of living is still pretty high, regardless.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-23   8:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pericles, tomder55 (#11)

Cost of living is still pretty high, regardless.

Cost of dying is even higher! ;)

Justified  posted on  2015-07-23   9:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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