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Title: President Obama Orders Flags Fly at Half Mast to Honor Chattanooga Shooting Victims
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.newsweek.com/president-o ... anooga-shooting-victims-355882
Published: Jul 21, 2015
Author: Polly Mosendz
Post Date: 2015-07-21 17:44:25 by out damned spot
Keywords: Obama, Chattanooga, flag
Views: 3334
Comments: 18

President Obama ordered flags be lowered to half staff in honor of service members killed on July 16 by a gunman in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Mohammad Abdulazeez, 24, shot four Marines, a sailor and a police officer. The Marines and sailor died from their injuries. "Our thoughts and prayers as a Nation are with the service members killed last week in Chattanooga. We honor their service," President Obama said in a statement on Tuesday. "We offer our gratitude to the police officers and first responders who stopped the rampage and saved lives. We draw strength from yet another American community that has come together with an unmistakable message to those who would try and do us harm: We do not give in to fear. You cannot divide us. And you will not change our way of life."

Flags will fly at half-mast and half-staff at a variety of government locations, including the White House, military posts, naval stations, embassies and military facilities abroad. The flags will be lowered until July 25 at sunset.

Presidential hopeful Donald Trump decided to lower flags on his properties in honor of the fallen Marines and sailor.


Poster Comment:

This Muslim putz had to shamed into doing this. He was real quick with the rainbow house, offending just about every American in this nation. He was quick to call other families of "victims." He hadn't even bothered to call the parents and loved ones of these Marines, but called the family of Whitney Houston fast enough. I can't wait until this hate filled man is gone!

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#1. To: out damned spot (#0)

I hope it didn't interfere with his golf schedule. That would be truly tragic.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-21   18:46:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative, out damned spot (#1)

Wow how long did that take?

I guess he was getting hammered by his peeps to do something he really did not want to do.

Justified  posted on  2015-07-21   19:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#1)

" I hope it didn't interfere with his golf schedule. That would be truly tragic. "

Yeah, oh boo hoo hoo hoo !

Those flags should have been at half staff within an hour of the attack! And those men should have been armed! They should all be armed now!

And it is waaaay past time to start deporting all of these mooslims. And, QUIT IMPORTING MORE!

F him!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-07-21   19:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Stoner (#3)

And those men should have been armed! They should all be armed now!

Only if they are military-qualified with their sidearm.

Since these are essentially retail stores, I think it would be better if they just got CCW permits and received an exception to the usual ban on weapons on bases.

As with any soft target like a school or theater, it will have considerable deterrent effect for an attacker to know his victims are capable, trained, and likely to be armed.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-21   20:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#1)

The emperor interrupted his golf weekend to take a junket to NYC Friday . He boarded Air Force One to attend a fundraiser .He then strolled in Central Park with his daughters and saw a Hip hop musical about Alexander Hamilton . He then boarded Air Force One back to DC . He AGAIN showed up in NYC today so he could do an interview on the 'Daily Show '(and to do ANOTHER fundraiser ) .So we got to experience Barack-lock on the roads variously over the weekend and again today during rush hour. So yes there are times when he is so dedicated to his job that he sacrifices time on the links .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-07-21   22:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Stoner (#3)

Those flags should have been at half staff within an hour of the attack! And those men should have been armed! They should all be armed now!

F him!

I agree.

O'bunghole is a despicable pile of dung.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-07-21   22:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Justified (#2)

Five days. He only did it after Trump made it known that all of the flags on his properties were lowered after the attack and he called out Obama for not lowering the flags and not making a statement.

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

out damned spot  posted on  2015-07-22   0:25:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: out damned spot (#7)

Five days. He only did it after Trump made it known that all of the flags on his properties were lowered after the attack and he called out Obama for not lowering the flags and not making a statement.

Yup. He was forced into it by Trump's prodding. Previous to that he was only concerned about lighting the White House with gay liberation colors.

rlk  posted on  2015-07-22   0:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GrandIsland (#6)

" O'bunghole is a despicable pile of dung. "

GI, you are much too kind, LOL!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-07-22   6:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative (#4)

" Only if they are military-qualified with their sidearm. "

That should be simple, being in the military. If not, they should not be in the military.

" Since these are essentially retail stores, I think it would be better if they just got CCW permits and received an exception to the usual ban on weapons on bases. "

No it would be better for them to open carry, good duty belt, holstered sidearm, 2 spare mags. When out of uniform, I can go along with CCW, just like cops. These men are supposed to be our warriors. If they cannot be trusted with weapons, they should not be there. And there should be no ban on bases

" As with any soft target like a school or theater, it will have considerable deterrent effect for an attacker to know his victims are capable, trained, and likely to be armed. "

Just like a police station, our warriors should be armed, where ever they are, prepared to respond on the spot.

The muzzies started this shit. We do not know what they will do next, or when so lets have our men ready to respond on the spot.

We have enough men dead because of these timid, PC policies. We obviously are at war, it is time to act like it.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-07-22   13:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Stoner (#10)

That should be simple, being in the military. If not, they should not be in the military.

The military doesn't give handgun training to everyone, at least not that I know of. Officers get some handgun training and an official issue handgun.

I thought it might be better for overall security if the weapons were carried concealed. Carrying holstered weapons has a security angle to it.

Also, if the recruiters were allowed (and expected) to get a CCW weapon and a state CCW license (where needed), they would be carrying all the time, not just at the recruiting office.

CCW can help deter an attacker if they don't know, for instance, which of the four Marines at Chattanooga to shoot at first, knowing that any (or all) might be armed with a concealed gun and be quick enough to shoot back at the attacker.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-22   19:50:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative (#11)

Officers get some handgun training and an official issue handgun.

The only people I ever saw at handgun qualification training were pilots, security personnel and weapons couriers. On the other hand everybody was required to qualify with the M16.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-07-22   19:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: CZ82 (#12)

" The only people I ever saw at handgun qualification training were pilots, security personnel and weapons couriers. On the other hand everybody was required to qualify with the M16. "

I think a lot of Infantry Officers, Armor Officers, and MP's were qualified with hand guns as well.

Even if they are not as routine, it would be simple to qualify these recruiters. With this last incident, they should be armed. As I said before, it is obvious we are at war, it is time we act like it.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-07-22   20:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Stoner (#13)

I think a lot of Infantry Officers, Armor Officers, and MP's were qualified with hand guns as well.

That doesn't surprise me in the least.

I suppose I should have stated I was in the Air Force.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-07-22   20:14:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Stoner, CZ82, redleghunter (#13)

It seems that the initial reporting was inaccurate. At least a few of those at the Chattanooga recruiting station were armed and at least one of them shot back at their jihadi attacker.

HotAir: Feds: Some servicemen killed in Chattanooga attack died while helping others escape from gunman

The degenerate who killed them was firing “hundreds” of rounds with what witnesses said appeared to be a fully automatic AK-47. Imagine the courage it’d take to be a few yards away from that and still be focused on saving those around you rather than yourself.

Some of the five servicemen who were fatally wounded effectively sacrificed themselves during the assault on Thursday, diverting the gunman away from a larger group of potential victims, according to a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation into the killings…

Maj. Gen. Paul W. Brier of the Marines said: “Our Marines reacted the way you would expect, rapidly going room to room, getting people to safety. After they had gotten to safety, some willingly ran back into the fight. All of us can be extremely proud of what our Marines did that day.”

Mr. Abdulazeez went out through the back of the building, Mr. Reinhold said, and into the fenced-in motor pool area, where “two service members attempted to provide cover and assist the military personnel attempting to get over the fence.”

It was there, he said, that four of the five victims were killed and that the police caught up to the gunman. In the shootout that followed, an officer was wounded, and Mr. Abdulazeez was killed.

It’s a good thing those Marines had been disarmed by their government on site or else they might have done something truly dangerous, like fire back at a jihadi killer with a machine gun. Speaking of which, an interesting footnote to this tale of valor: Two weapons belonging to servicemen were found at the scene, according to the FBI, and “at least” one of them had been discharged. Did they belong to MPs? Because, under the Pentagon’s no-gun policy, those are supposed to be the only people carrying at a facility like this. In fact, says the Navy Times, it was actually a Marine and a Navy officer who fired at Abdulazeez using what appears to have been their personal handguns. Hmmmm:

A report distributed among senior Navy leaders during the shooting’s aftermath said Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White, the support center’s commanding officer, used his personal firearm to engage Abdulazeez, Navy Times confirmed with four separate sources. A Navy official also confirmed a Washington Post report indicating one of the slain Marines may have been carrying a 9mm Glock and possibly returned fire on the gunman.

Authorities will not know whether White or the Marine hit Abdulazeez until an autopsy and ballistics assessment are performed.

Makes me wonder how strictly the Pentagon’s policy banning carry in military facilities is actually being enforced down the chain. It must be tough for a CO to tell servicemen who handle weapons expertly as a matter of course on duty that it’s unacceptably dangerous for them to have a pistol on them while they carry out basic tasks like recruiting. Have any vets out there ever seen the policy go unenforced? If not, what’s your best guess for how the officer and the Marine got their hands on guns in time to return fire on Abdulazeez? In a sane world, the fact that American servicemen died defenseless at the hands of a mass murderer because their superiors didn’t trust them with a sidearm would be a national scandal leading to immediate reversal of the policy. As it is, only hard evidence that it was White or the Marine rather than the cops who dropped Abdulazeez will make the White House sweat on this.

Interesting what an actual investigation will turn up. The victims were not entirely disarmed, despite the Pentagon's attempt to do so. It changes the case considerably and opens up a broader discussion. It opens up other questions too, like did their superiors know they were carrying concealed at a federal workplace in a marked gun-free office?

I'm glad they didn't die like fish in a barrel. Tragic that they were not armed adequately to defend their workplace from an active shooter with a machine gun.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-22   20:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#15)

At least a few of those at the Chattanooga recruiting station were armed and at least one of them shot back at their jihadi attacker.

I heard something about this on the radio earlier today when I went to lunch but didn't really hear any details.

We weren't supposed to keep weapons in base housing, we were supposed to secure them in the base Armory. But after an incident where some gang bangers took some potshots at base housing occupants quite a few people decided to ignore that edict.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-07-22   20:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TooConservative (#15)

Tragic that they were not armed adequately to defend their workplace from an active shooter with a machine gun.

It just boggles my mind at the lack of any foresight by the military. At least the Draw the Perv Muhommed contest had armed security up the yinyang and that turned out great. But I have not heard any praise for the cops from that night from officials. Maybe they want to conceal cops identity but I am guessing they want to not praise the Spencer/Geller crowd.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-23   8:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pericles (#17)

But I have not heard any praise for the cops from that night from officials.

Officials in Texas took notice. But not in the Beltway.

Given the past warnings for service members to go low-profile on social media, they've known that soldiers would be a primary target for any lone-wolf jihadis they recruit on the Dark Web.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-23   9:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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