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Title: Why Israel Is Going To Bomb Iran
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Published: Jul 21, 2015
Author: Michael Snyder
Post Date: 2015-07-21 11:22:23 by Don
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Why Israel Is Going To Bomb Iran July 21, 2015 | Michael Snyder Share this article Thanks to Barack Obama, it is only a matter of time before Israel feels forced to conduct a massive military strike against Iran’s nuclear program. When that happens, Iran will strike back, and hundreds if not thousands of missiles will rain down on Israel. This exchange will likely spark a major regional war in the Middle East, and that could end up plunging the entire planet into chaos. If Barack Obama was attempting to prevent such a scenario from playing out, he failed miserably. Personally, I think that the deal that was just made with Iran is absolutely horrible. Perhaps you disagree. Perhaps you believe that it is the greatest piece of diplomacy of all time. But it doesn’t really matter what any of us think. If this deal was going to work, it had to be strong enough to convince Israel that Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons has been completely stopped. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has sworn that he will never, ever let Iran get a nuclear weapon, and he has pledged to use military force if necessary. So what Barack Obama needed was a deal that would calm Israeli nerves while satisfying the Iranians at the same time. Such a deal may have theoretically been impossible, but that is what it was going to take to prevent war. Instead, Obama has made a deal which has utterly horrified the Israeli government. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu even called it “a license to kill“. So now the odds that war will happen have gone way up, but Barack Obama is too busy congratulating himself to notice. And it isn’t just the Israeli government that has responded very negatively to this deal. One recent survey found that a staggering 74 percent of Israelis do not believe that this deal will prevent the Iranians from developing a nuclear weapon. A different survey discovered that 47 percent of Israelis would now support a military strike against Iran and only 35 percent of Israelis are currently against one. Of course the Israeli government would very much prefer not to have to bomb Iran. Before resorting to military action, the Israeli government will certainly try to encourage the U.S. Congress to derail this deal. And we should probably expect to see more covert action against Iran’s nuclear program. But in the end, those methods will almost certainly not be enough. At that point, the Israeli government will have a decision to make, and I think that the following exchange between Netanyahu and Steve Forbes gives us some insight into what Israeli officials are thinking right now… BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: I think if the deal goes through we’re in danger of war, and it might be the worst kind of war we can imagine. Because this deal will open the way for Iran not to get a bomb but many bombs. Within a decade it will be free to enrich uranium on an unlimited basis. And it will be able to make the fissile core for dozens of bombs–indeed, hundreds of bombs–which it can then put on the hundreds of ICBMs it already has. Under this deal Iran is going to get $100 billion to $300 billion, which it will be able to use to fund its terrorism and its aggression in the region–its aim being to destroy Israel. Given Iran’s history of aggression, I’d say that this double bonanza of a guaranteed pathway to a nuclear arsenal and a jackpot of money to continue its aggression actually makes the danger of war, even nuclear war, a lot greater. SF: You make a very important point. Even if Iran sticks to the deal, which is highly problematical, in a decade it will be a major global nuclear power, and it will have ballistic missiles. BN: Iran is producing them, and guess what? Within a few years they will be able to reach the Eastern seaboard of the United States. And then every point in the United States. But this deal will also enable Iran to tip those missiles with nuclear weapons, with atomic bombs. And I think it’s a huge mistake to allow the foremost sponsor of terrorism in the world, Iran, to have nuclear weapons, as well as the capacity to give such weapons to its terrorist surrogates. This is a big, big mistake. Not only endangering Israel and the entire Middle East but the entire world, specifically the United States. The mullahs, the dictators in Tehran, they call us the little Satan; they call America the big Satan. You are their ultimate target, and you should not give such a terrorist regime the weapons of mass destruction. Because I think the greatest danger facing our world is the marriage of militant Islam with nuclear weapons. Here you have a militant Islamic state, Iran, arming itself with nuclear weapons and receiving a huge cash bonanza in the bargain. That’s a mistake. Let there be no misunderstanding – as long as Benjamin Netanyahu is in power the Israeli government will never, ever allow Iran to build nuclear weapons. This deal that Barack Obama just made with Iran guarantees the Iranians a path to a nuclear weapon, but the Obama administration is apparently hoping that regime change will happen before that time if they are able to kick the can down the road far enough. But the big mistake that almost everyone in the western world is making when analyzing this deal is that they are assuming that the Iranians will actually keep their promises. Just like the U.S. government, the Iranians have a very long track record of blatantly lying. And they were caught lying even in the midst of these recent negotiations. The National Council of Resistance of Iran produced evidence that the Iranians were enriching uranium intended for nuclear weapons at a site known as “Lavizan-3” just outside of Tehran. But even after this information came out, the Iranians and the Obama administration just continued with their negotiations as if this facility did not exist. This is how utterly incompetent the Obama administration is. The Iranians were hiding things and blatantly lying to us before the negotiations were even completed. And the truth is that it is possible that Iran might already have developed nuclear weapons. Let us hope that this is not the case, but if reports about Lavizan-3 are accurate, the Iranian nuclear program may be far more advanced than any of us have been led to believe. Sadly, most people in the western world end up believing what they want to believe about Iran instead of what the facts on the ground actually tell us. Not too long from now, I believe that we will see some sort of “trigger event” which will motivate the Israeli government to finally conduct a massive military strike against the Iranian nuclear program. Israel has a history of conducting these kinds of assaults, and the Israeli military has been preparing for just such an attack for a very long time. The following comes from a recent article by Joel C. Rosenberg… Israel has used surprise military force twice to neutralize foreign nuclear programs. In 1981, the Israeli Air Force attacked and destroyed Iraq’s nuclear facilities. Then in 2007, the Israelis attacked and destroyed a Syrian nuclear facility being built with the help of the North Koreans. An attack on Iran’s facilities would be far more complex, and the possible retaliatory blowback could be horrendous. But yet, the Israelis certainly have the capability to do what they need to do, and they’ve been preparing for years for that moment. Given Israel’s historic track record, it is possible Israeli leaders will come to the point of feeling they have no choice but to launch attacks on Iran. And just because Iran has made a “deal” with us, the American people should not assume that we have now become “friends” with the Iranian government. In fact, the president of Iran recently led a march through the streets of Tehran during which the crowds were chanting “death to America”… “Even over the weekend, as Iran continued to receive more and more concessions at the negotiating table, Iranian President Rouhani led a march of hatred in the streets of Tehran in which the masses cried, ‘Death to America! Death to Israel!‘” Netanyahu said, describing Iran’s recent “Al Quds (Jerusalem) Day” in an address to the Knesset Monday. What a horrible thing to want. Even though I am very pro-Israel, I would never wish death to Iran. The Iranian people work hard, they take care of their families, and most of them want peace. Unfortunately, Iran is run by a cadre of radical Islamic nutjobs that are obsessed with wiping the nation of Israel off the face of the planet. For a long time, Israel and Iran have been on a collision course, and now time is running out. War is coming to the Middle East, and it is going to be absolutely horrifying. Read more at http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/July21/211.html#MKTEqFyXZdWdhM1S.99
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Out of necessity for the survival of Israel.
Out of necessity for the survival of Israel. " Yep. In hind sight, if they could have bumped off Hitler, it would have been a good move. Obviously, there are some that will not be happy about this, especially Ovomit, and Valarie Jarrett. But, Israel really does not have any choice. Si vis pacem, para bellum
Israel will not be permitted to bomb Iran anytime soon. They cannot get there without flying over territory controlled by NATO or US allies, and the US will not permit it. During Obama's Presidency there will be no strike on Iran. There may be during Hillary's Presidency. She is much closer to the Jews than Obama was. She may authorize it. More probably, the rhetoric on Iran will be ratcheted up, and Israel will be bought off with ever more foreign aid.
Israel may have to defend itself as America may be forced to defend itself against the Marxists in power.
Israel has been talking about this for decades. It will not bomb Iran because it lacks the military ability to pull it off and does not desire to lose its Air Force.
And Turkey will not permit it.
To get to Iran, the Israelis will have to fly over NATO Turkey, and they won't permit it. Or they'll have to fly over American-patrolled Iraq - which will require American permission. Or they'll have to fly over Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf, which the Saudis won't permit. There's no way TO Iran from Israel without flying over territory that will require US tolerance of the attack. So, Israel will not attack Iran without US permission. If the Israelis do it anyway - if they bust into NATO airspace, or go flying across Saudi Arabia or Iraq WITHOUT US permission, they will lose the element of surprise, for the US will be incensed and will warn them to turn back. If they don't, the Iranians will be ready for them when they come, and they'll suffer casualties like they have not suffered before. It could end up quite calamitous for them. They can't effectively attack Iran without US permission.
Just when folks think it's safe to go back into the water... Israel has a habit of surprising its enemies who doubt Israel's ability to defend itself.
Dropping bombs all over Iran is not self-defense. Moreover, it is impossible for Israeli aircraft to fly the round trip without in-air refueling. The only such Israeli capability is their refitted Boeing 707. The Iranians need only take out the 707's and the Israeli aircraft will not return to Israel. Israel has talked but not acted for a reason. A very good reason. They do not have the capability to do it without lots of help.
Yeah, I would not underestimate Israel.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Even with U.S. permission, there would be a welcoming party. Iran shares a border with Russia, and stealth tech does not work against top Russian and Chinese radar. This mission would also depend on Russian non-cooperation with Iran. Even then, in air refueling is necessary. Downing the tankers (refitted 707's) would effectively take out the Israeli aircraft. The Iranian targets are spread out all over the place, underground, and fortified. It is not a drop and run mission with one target. They will need to fly in enemy airspace for a considerable time. As Iran has not started a war in centuries, Israel would be condemned. Israel is edging toward a shunning as happened to South Africa.
It is self-defense when Iran has said it wants to destroy Israel and the nut-case leader wants very much to have nuclear weapons.
God is still protecting Israel.
That is ridiculous. What would be self-defense is what Israel would have to do next. And Israel would need divine intervention. Ben Caspit Participants in the Jerusalem Post's fourth annual conference in New York on June 7 never imagined that they would find themselves under public cross-examination over the actions of Israel’s political and security services during the tense days of 2010, when the government contemplated a military assault on Iran’s nuclear facilities. Sitting on the panel were former Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi; former Mossad Director Meir Dagan; two former heads of the National Security Council, Maj. Gen. Giora Eiland and Maj. Gen. Uzi Dayan; and senior columnist Caroline Glick. Moderating the panel was the Jerusalem Post’s editor-in-chief, Steve Linde. The much talked-about argument broke out toward the end of the discussion, when Glick, who is known for her hawkish, right-wing views, claimed that in 2010, two members of the panel “were given an order to prepare the military for an imminent strike against Iran’s nuclear installation, and they refused.” [...] This dialogue in New York, about five years after the fact, reveals just the tip of the iceberg of what was taking place behind closed doors during those long, tense months in the conference rooms of Israel’s top defense leadership. All the heads of the various security forces were unanimous in their opinion that an Israeli attack on Iran would be a historic mistake that could result in disaster. At the same time, however, decisions in Israel are made by the political leadership. The defense establishment is then expected to carry them out without hesitation. On the other hand, to follow through with a perilous, strategically historic move such as attacking Iran, any Israeli prime minister would want the support of his defense leadership, or at least the chief of staff. [snip]
Then they do not need to attack Iran.
They have had air-air refueling capabilities for quite sometime, KC 135s, KC130s, and supposedly some converted 767s (can't really confirm or deny that last one). There was also supposed to have been an arms deal done back in 2013 where we supplied them with KC135s, V22 Ospreys, upgraded radar for their F15s, assorted other weaponry. Don't exactly know how much of this deal went down. If push came to shove I would bet the Saudis would let the Israelis overfly their airspace. They are in just as much danger as the Israelis with the "neighborhood nutcase" mullahs of Iran having nuclear play toys. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Why not? God still acts through people. Go back over the wars Israel has fought since 1948.
I doubt bookies could even list that one on the board. The odds against the Saudis getting involved is slim and none.
I thought God would be able to defend Israel without sanctioning an unlawful attack on Iran. I could be wrong.
Self-defense is always lawful.
When you take the first act of aggression, it is not self-defense. Israel attacking Iran would be an act of aggression, just like the other acts of Israeli aggression condemned by the United Nations.
The European penal colony of Israel is not long for this world it seems.
They cannot get there without flying over territory controlled by NATO or US allies, and the US will not permit it. I would gather given your USN background you know the regional airspace over there as well as I do. As it stands now getting to Iranian airspace is not a bridge too far. Syrian airspace is spotty given their war against the Jihadists and following that path, Iraqi airspace is a void except where US forces are deployed. Saudi Arabia has also indicated at times they would look the other way. Going that way only the US presence in the Persian Gulf could give the Israelis up. So the US would have give them up. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
The Saudis let us build those remote desert airbases there. They could just let Israel use them, a perfect stopover on the way to Iran.
I think they can stage an air campaign which takes down Iran's integrated air defense. I don't think Israel will get the effects required to dismantle the Iranian nuclear program. All the critical stuff is buried deep in mountains. What Israel can do is go after potential delivery vehicles (missiles) factories or assembly plants. That is challenging targeting as the Iranians can spread those assets out and keep them mobile. Saddam was good at moving the Al Samoud assembly facilities around and I'm sure the Iranians learned from that. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
Israel has talked but not acted for a reason. A very good reason. They do not have the capability to do it without lots of help. Don't count out some Saudi "assistance" in the matter of refueling. Stranger things have happened. The Saudis are probably more upset about the nuke deal than Israel. Plus all the attacks would not have to be via aircraft. Israel has ballistic missiles too. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
Israel will not bomb Iran because it can't get the job done. Iran's nuclear facilities are separated and well defended and even if bombed - they are made from small components that can be reconstituted. Lastly, it would give Iran cover to move into a more open role in Iraq and in Syria - maybe invade into Syria with Revolutionary Guards. Israel may find Iranian divisions on the Golan Heights in short order if they bomb. Look guys, the reason the USA is hot to get this nuke deal done is because the USA is retreating from the Middle East but can't outright say it. In retreating they want to get the best deal they can get from Iran before they go - Iran being the true super power in the region it seems. Because while Shia are a minority everywhere in Islam, in the middle east they are a majority or a plurality and that includes populations inside Saudi Arabia and large parts of the Arabian peninsula. If Israel bombs Iran it would be to force the USA to stay. Israel is not so much afraid of a nuclear Iran but afraid that if the USA leaves the middle east behind in favor of a Pacific preoccupation then Israel loses importance in American politics and thus loses influence. Israel is that mistress that is being set aside in favor of the hotter Asian one and she may go Fatal Attraction rabbit killing on the USA to get Uncle Sam to stay in bed.
Why do some Americans keep thinking Israel is the 51s state - the USA does not even have a defense treaty with this nation and a segment of the American political class is willing to start WW3 for them.
Look at the Arab nations looking the other way when Israel attacked the Iraqi reactor.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
I rank it up there with Turkish assistance. Saudi assistance does not happen without Royal consent. Royal assent invites a Royal beheading. Israel firing ballistic missiles at Russia's back yard in not wise. They do not carry enough payload to put a dent in fortified underground facilities. The biggest threat to Israel is being ostracized. Israel could be destroyed without a shot being fired at it.
That was one small strike at Iraq and get out. This would require a massive strike on dozens of targets. Israel can't do it without U.S. involvement, which is why they have not done it. If Israel goes, everyone in creation will know that the U.S. greenlit the operation. One might consider why the U.S. has not done it themselves, or greenlit an Israeli operation.
And are very adept at infiltrating agents into other countries/organizations. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Why do so many Muslims want a world Caliphate?
...and why are they on the same side with the USA and Israel in Syria?
They could if they stockpiled their bombs on those Saudi bases and the Saudis and other Arab emirates tossed their stockpiles in as well. Israel has quite a stockpile of ground penetrator bombs, mostly sold to them by us. I'd bet they have developed their own as well.
Israel has quite a stockpile of ground penetrator bombs, mostly sold to them by us. I'd bet they have developed their own as well. The centrifuges are the key component and they are the size of a water heater and are cheap to make and operate so Israel would fail even if it bombed Iran for 30 days. And then Iran, can be free to produce weapons grade uranium with centrifuges spread out over the entire country - maybe one per house.
You understate the difficulty of making quality centrifuges. Iran abandoned their old designs and built much better but more complex ones a few years ago.
In war crude and rude will do. Also, if any radioactive fall out occurs on Iranian sole they would then have an excuse to dirty bomb Israel
Of course now an irrelevant point as the US signed a treaty with Iran. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
It is likely the higher-ups in the U.S. Government are on the same side as the Islamic crazies.
Which means Israel would be unwise to attack IMO. I think they know there will have to be a catalyst event towards them before they would attack solo. That's not saying Israel will do something...I think they will but work the clandestine networks instead. I also think eventually Israel will do something and the US will vote along with the UN security council to condemn Israel. That seems to be the next move for the Obolo junta. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
I think you are correct that the U.S. Will turn against Israel, and it will be the last straw for this Nation. It doesn't matter for Israel if every nation turns against Them. God will look after them. The bad news is for the U.S. Israel's enemies will be destroyed.
Who has taken the first act of aggression?
The title of the article being discussed is, "Why Israel Is Going To Bomb Iran." If Israel does that, it will be an act of aggression.
Iran and Persia have not started / initiated a war in centuries. The Iran/Iraq war was started by Iraq.
Like all large nations, Iran does fight wars by proxy. Hezbollah comes to mind and the years the Iranian Quds spent within Saddam's Iraq preparing militias to overthrow him. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
Of course now an irrelevant point as the US signed a treaty with Iran. Not really. The mission is so unjustifiable and fraught with military and political danger, Israeli attempts to get the U.S. to do it have failed for decades. Even Bibi's order to prepare for such an attack failed with his own military. Now that President Obama has entered into an Executive Agreement with Iran, if Israel chooses to start a war it cannot finish, it should not expect the U.S. to engage in WW3 to finish it for them. Note that it is not a treaty entered into by the U.S. Israel has no ground warfare capability against Iran. A flyover is highly problematic. If they get away with a flyover once, they can hardly expect to do it repeatedly by using neutral or unfriendly airspace. Israel cannot afford to keep all its young men mobilized for a prolonged war. While Israel has missiles, so does Iran. Due to the miniscule size of Israel, missile strikes against a few cities (Tel Aviv, Haifa) would cause more hurt for Israel than Israel can inflict on Iran. Very bad for Israel would be a missile that misses Iran. Israel is going to have to learn to stop coveting their neighbors' land, and get used to the idea of a Palestinian state, which is coming.
The leader of Iran has said over and over what he intends to do to Israel and you say he has done nothing. You have either lost your mind or you get your paycheck from the Islamic terrorists. Which one is it? Do you know what Lincoln said about not being able to fool all of the people all of the time?
So Iran is a rational player and not about to directly initiate a war in hopes of luring the Mahdi down? (and we can't really determine other than with bias who started these bush wars (not the president but the term) first either.
That land belongs to Israel now, in the past, and in the future. there will be a very destructive war that will settle the issue: Armageddon.
He was not the leader of Iran but the president and he is no longer in office and he was misquoted - he said Israel's Zionist regime will end the way apartheid South Africa's regime ended. So who pays to have you spread lies I should add?
So you should be pro Iran getting the bomb then like the good book says. Let's speed up the process before my next Fios bill comes due.
Pericles, I will again refer you to what Lincoln said. I don't buy into anything you say.
You can't Google? Or won't?
You do whatever you think you should. However, your side has already lost.
What side is that? The side that does not want more dead Americans for Israel? Probably.
I already know it. I don't have to google it. You are the one who needs to look it up.
Do you care about dead Americans or dead Muzzies?
Our immediate enemies are SUNNI MUSLIMS. Why do you want to take out the 10% of SHIA Muslims that are less of a threat?
Israel has opened its borders with Syria in order to provide medical treatment to Nusra Front and al-Qaida fighters wounded in the ongoing civil war, according to The Wall Street Journal.
That is the problem of the Muzzies. They can't live with civilized people of any religion or nationality. There will be a time, probably soon, when there won't be many of them left.
Your point?
Israel = allied with al-Qaeda. Remember 9/11? Or is it OK for Israel to ally with our people's killers because you are an Evangelical Israeli ass kisser?
The land that does not belong to Israel does not belong to Israel. They can just get used to their coming neighbor state, Palestine. Israel is merely an occupying power, internationally recognized as such occupying power. Israel can start a very destructive war. If so, they should be prepared for very great destruction, doing it on their own, and paying for it.
It was Saudis who attacked the U.S. On 9/11 and they are still our best buddies. I'm not naive.
What will be will be. Take a look at the Book of Revelation. It's full of wisdom for the enemies of Israel.
The U.S. can stop providing billions in military aid every year. God will provide.
They gave the Palestinians two large pieces of the land. The West Bank and Gaza have been acting independently of Israel for close to 20 years now. Exercised as the Palestinian Authority. Just look at how well that is working./s For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
God still works through people. One of the reasons that He created the U.S. Is to bless Israel. When He has finished His purposes for this Nation, it will cease to exist.
And Iran is enemies of the Saudis. But you want to bomb Iran? WTF?
The mullahs are insane and are awaiting for the right moment (Mahdi) to unleash hell on earth. So no, I don't trust the mullahs in 'man dresses' one bit. They have been using Arabs to fight their wars by proxy. That will continue for the near future. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
Does Iran dearly love the U.S.? Will we get Christmas cards from them?
Just when I thought we had a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Now we exist, like all of the unchosen tribes, to kiss Israel's ass until is is done stealing what does not belong to them. Indeed, we have to steal it for them and give it to them. Hallelujah! I wonder why God is creating the state of Palestine? Or why He divinely intervened to intercept that Seahawk pass?
You are wondering just how His plans will work out. God has everything worked out step-by-step. The Holy Bible, Old and New Testament, tells us about those plans, often mentioning Israel but never the Palestinians. Good things are said about God's plans for them. It's bad news for the enemies of Israel.
And yet they have started zero wars since the Mullah's took over. How many nations has the USA invaded since the fall of the Shah?
Zero wars? Who has been busily transferring arms and money to the Islamic crazies?
I hope you aren't expecting a lucid response from him?? And that is part of the new treaty they signed with Obozo, to continue that practice unhindered. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
That agreement was concocted by Satan and carried out by his agents on earth.
Can't argue with that analogy.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Yes, Iran has started ZERO wars. It's a fact neocon scum want to obfuscate because it renders their narrative as false as their reasons for invading Iraq.
Not at all. I couldn't care less who serves the interests of Israel, or how they do it, as long as it is not at the expense of America or Americans. American foreign policy should serve the best interests of America. If that also happens to redound to the benefit of Israel, that's all well and good.
His plans affect the entire world in a big way, not just Israel or America. No one will escape the results.
BUT, But, but ... when do I crack open the orwen rickenbacker popcorn to watch the show?
Tell it to Russell Wilson. As the Constitutional Convention was mired in partisan bickering and getting nowhere, the old coot Ben Franklin rose and reminded them of the recent war with the Brits, and said "we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a Superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity." The United States of America was founded by the Divine intervention of the Lord. The Americans have become God's chosen people and live in the land of plenty. And they did not reject and crucify His only begotten son, so there's that. If Israel drops bombs on Iran it will not be God's will. God chooses not to blow any of his children to bits.
What does the Old Testament say about the Israelites evicting the people from the promised land when God led His people there?
My calendar isn't marked yet with the starting date.
One Iraq.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
We would have been out of Iraq three years sooner if Iran did not load up the Mahdi army with EFP IEDs. By 2007 the Sunni insurgency was done, they stopped attacking us and the Iraqi government. Yet Iran kept pumping in arms and explosives to Sadr and his minions.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
Iran has fomented quite a few wars. They also for some reason wanted to keep the US in Iraq longer by dumping EFPs in the hands of the Mahdi army. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17
Nothing about 2015.
I'm assuming you're talking about this guy? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
That would have been a good time to send a few fully loaded BUFFS over Tehran to scare the Allah out of the Mullahs. You know I wonder how many of our guys got killed there because Emperor Obozo has been enabling the Mullahs?? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
It also doesn't say that God is a wimp nor does it say that all people are His children. God's chosen people were told to evict the pagans forcefully and take over the land.
I was taught that all mankind is God's children. The topic of this thread is: "Why Israel Is Going To Bomb Iran." God did not tell Israel to bomb Iran in 2015. In practice, God's Chosen People show more faith in the U.S. Department of Defense than the arm of the Lord. Of course, they could always just ask the Lord to kill the firstborn son of every Muslim.
Would you like for me to quote you chapter and verse that says exactly the opposite? God didn't tell Israel to bomb Iran in 2015? Where did God tell Israel to let the Islamic Crazies kill them with impunity? Your third comment is just foolishness.
Why Israel Is Going To Bomb Iran
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" Why Israel Is Going To Bomb Iran
#3. To: Don (#0)
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has sworn that he will never, ever let Iran get a nuclear weapon, and he has pledged to use military force if necessary.
#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
#5. To: Don (#0)
Why Israel Is Going To Bomb Iran
#6. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
They cannot get there without flying over territory controlled by NATO or US allies, and the US will not permit it.
#7. To: nolu chan (#6)
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#9. To: Don (#8)
Just when folks think it's safe to go back into the water... Israel has a habit of surprising its enemies who doubt Israel's ability to defend itself.
#10. To: Don (#8)
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
They can't effectively attack Iran without US permission.
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#14. To: Don (#12)
It is self-defense when Iran has said it wants to destroy Israel and the nut-case leader wants very much to have nuclear weapons.
Why didn’t Netanyahu attack Iran?
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#15. To: Don (#13)
God is still protecting Israel.
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#18. To: CZ82 (#16)
If push came to shove I would bet the Saudis would let the Israelis overfly their airspace.
#19. To: Don (#17)
Why not? God still acts through people.
#20. To: nolu chan (#19)
#21. To: Don (#20)
Self-defense is always lawful.
#22. To: rlk, Vicomte13 (#1)
#23. To: Vicomte13, Don, TooConservative, GarySpFc, CZ82, liberator (#3)
Israel will not be permitted to bomb Iran anytime soon.
#24. To: redleghunter (#23)
(Edited)
Saudi Arabia has also indicated at times they would look the other way.
#25. To: nolu chan (#5)
Israel has been talking about this for decades. It will not bomb Iran because it lacks the military ability to pull it off and does not desire to lose its Air Force.
#26. To: nolu chan (#9)
707. The Iranians need only take out the 707's and the Israeli aircraft will not return to Israel.
#27. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#24)
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#28. To: Don, nolu chan (#12)
It is self-defense when Iran has said it wants to destroy Israel and the nut-case leader wants very much to have nuclear weapons.
#29. To: nolu chan (#18)
#30. To: redleghunter (#26)
Don't count out some Saudi "assistance" in the matter of refueling. Stranger things have happened.
#31. To: redleghunter (#29)
Look at the Arab nations looking the other way when Israel attacked the Iraqi reactor.
#32. To: redleghunter (#26)
Don't count out some Saudi "assistance" in the matter of refueling. Stranger things have happened. The Saudis are probably more upset about the nuke deal than Israel. Plus all the attacks would not have to be via aircraft. Israel has ballistic missiles too.
#33. To: Pericles (#28)
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#34. To: Don (#33)
Why do so many Muslims want a world Caliphate?
#35. To: Pericles (#27)
Israel will not bomb Iran because it can't get the job done. Iran's nuclear facilities are separated and well defended and even if bombed - they are made from small components that can be reconstituted.
#36. To: TooConservative (#35)
They could if they stockpiled their bombs on those Saudi bases and the Saudis and other Arab emirates tossed their stockpiles in as well.
#37. To: Pericles (#36)
The centrifuges are the key component and they are the size of a water heater and are cheap to make and operate so Israel would fail even if it bombed Iran for 30 days.
#38. To: TooConservative (#37)
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#39. To: nolu chan (#31)
One might consider why the U.S. has not done it themselves, or greenlit an Israeli operation.
#40. To: redleghunter (#39)
#41. To: Don (#40)
It is likely the higher-ups in the U.S. Government are on the same side as the Islamic crazies.
#42. To: redleghunter (#41)
#43. To: nolu chan (#21)
#44. To: Don (#43)
Who has taken the first act of aggression?
#45. To: nolu chan, Don (#44)
#46. To: Pericles (#45)
Iran and Persia have not started / initiated a war in centuries. The Iran/Iraq war was started by Iraq.
#47. To: redleghunter (#39)
One might consider why the U.S. has not done it themselves, or greenlit an Israeli operation.
#48. To: Pericles (#45)
#49. To: redleghunter (#46)
(Edited)
Like all large nations, Iran does fight wars by proxy. Hezbollah comes to mind and the years the Iranian Quds spent within Saddam's Iraq preparing militias to overthrow him.
#50. To: nolu chan (#47)
#51. To: Don (#48)
(Edited)
The leader of Iran has said over and over what he intends to do to Israel and you say he has done nothing. You have either lost your mind or you get your paycheck from the Islamic terrorists. Which one is it?
#52. To: Don, nolu chan (#50)
That land belongs to Israel now, in the past, and in the future. there will be a very destructive war that will settle the issue: Armageddon.
#53. To: Pericles (#51)
#54. To: Don (#53)
(Edited)
Pericles, I will again refer you to what Lincoln said. I don't buy into anything you say.
#55. To: Pericles (#52)
#56. To: Don (#55)
You do whatever you think you should. However, your side has already lost.
#57. To: Pericles (#54)
#58. To: Pericles (#56)
#59. To: Don (#58)
(Edited)
Do you care about dead Americans or dead Muzzies?
#60. To: Don (#58)
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israel-treating-al-Qaida-fighters-wounded-in-Syria-civil-war-393862
#61. To: Pericles (#59)
#62. To: Pericles (#60)
#63. To: Don (#62)
Your point?
#64. To: Don (#50)
That land belongs to Israel now, in the past, and in the future. there will be a very destructive war that will settle the issue:
#65. To: Pericles (#63)
#66. To: nolu chan (#64)
#67. To: Don (#66)
What will be will be. Take a look at the Book of Revelation. It's full of wisdom for the enemies of Israel.
#68. To: nolu chan (#47)
Israel is going to have to learn to stop coveting their neighbors' land, and get used to the idea of a Palestinian state, which is coming.
#69. To: nolu chan (#67)
#70. To: Don (#65)
It was Saudis who attacked the U.S. On 9/11 and they are still our best buddies. I'm not naive.
#71. To: Pericles (#49)
So Iran is a rational player and not about to directly initiate a war in hopes of luring the Mahdi down?
#72. To: Pericles (#70)
#73. To: Don (#69)
God still works through people. One of the reasons that He created the U.S. Is to bless Israel. When He has finished His purposes for this Nation, it will cease to exist.
#74. To: nolu chan (#73)
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#75. To: redleghunter (#71)
(Edited)
The mullahs are insane and are awaiting for the right moment (Mahdi) to unleash hell on earth. So no, I don't trust the mullahs in 'man dresses' one bit. They have been using Arabs to fight their wars by proxy. That will continue for the near future.
#76. To: Pericles (#75)
#77. To: Don, redleghunter, Liberator (#76)
Zero wars? Who has been busily transferring arms and money to the Islamic crazies?
#78. To: CZ82 (#77)
#79. To: Don (#78)
(Edited)
#80. To: Don, redleghunter, Liberator, CZ82, A Pole (#76)
Zero wars? Who has been busily transferring arms and money to the Islamic crazies?
#81. To: Don (#74)
You are wondering just how His plans will work out.
#82. To: nolu chan (#81)
#83. To: Don, nolu chan (#82)
His plans affect the entire world in a big way, not just Israel or America. No one will escape the results.
#84. To: Don (#82)
His plans affect the entire world in a big way, not just Israel or America. No one will escape the results.
#85. To: nolu chan (#84)
#86. To: buckeroo (#83)
#87. To: Pericles (#75)
#88. To: CZ82 (#77)
#89. To: Pericles (#80)
#90. To: Don (#85)
What does the Old Testament say about the Israelites evicting the people from the promised land when God led His people there?
#91. To: buckeroo (#83)
when do I crack open the orwen rickenbacker popcorn to watch the show?
#92. To: redleghunter (#88)
By 2007 the Sunni insurgency was done, they stopped attacking us and the Iraqi government. Yet Iran kept pumping in arms and explosives to Sadr and his minions.
#93. To: nolu chan (#90)
#94. To: Don (#93)
It also doesn't say that God is a wimp nor does it say that all people are His children. God's chosen people were told to evict the pagans forcefully and take over the land.
#95. To: nolu chan (#94)
I was taught that all mankind is God's children.
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