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Title: Hillary Clinton Condemns Donald Trump’s ‘Insults’ of ‘Genuine War Hero’ John McCain
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ABC News
URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/beta/Politics ... -genuine-war/story?id=32543623
Published: Jul 19, 2015
Author: liz kreutz
Post Date: 2015-07-19 21:24:07 by Hondo68
Keywords: grit and guts and character, Sec of State John Kerry, a genuine war hero
Views: 19754
Comments: 77
Leave it to Donald Trump to help Republicans and Democrats find common ground. Hillary Clinton joined the chorus of presidential candidates from both parties Saturday to condemn Trump for saying Sen. John McCain, a decorated Vietnam War veteran, was not a war hero. During her headlining speech at a Democratic dinner in Little Rock, Ark. Clinton called Trump’s assertion “shameful” and described McCain as a “genuine war hero.” “Donald Trump, finally a candidate whose hair gets more attention that mine,” Clinton quipped. “But, there’s nothing funny about the hate he is spewing at immigrants and their families, and now the insults he’s directed at a genuine war hero, Senator John McCain,” she added. “It’s shameful, and so is the fact that it took so long for most of his fellow Republican candidates to start standing up to him.” Earlier today, Trump came under fire for saying at a campaign event in Iowa that McCain is only a war hero “because he was captured.” The comment has drawn criticism from a slew of his Republican presidential challengers, as well as Clinton and Secretary of State John Kerry. “I have known John McCain for more than thirty years. We've had our share of disagreements and still do today. But one thing I know is beyond debate is that John McCain is a hero, a man of grit and guts and character personified,” Kerry said in a statement released tonight. McCain spent five and a half years as a POW after he was captured in 1967 while flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam. His aircraft was shot down by a missile and he nearly drowned landing in a lake. He had his shoulder crushed by his captors, who refused to treat his injuries, which were exacerbated by beatings administered during interrogations. He survived a program of severe torture and his wartime injuries restrict him from lifting his arms above his head. Clinton made her attack against Trump during her first trip back to Arkansas since becoming a presidential candidate. In her speech, Clinton attacked the GOP for being the “party of the past.” She also reminisced fondly about her years spent in Little Rock. Looking out at the many familiar faces she saw in the crowd, Clinton thanked her longtime friends: “I hope you know that you mean the world to me and my family,” she said. Poster Comment: Hillary's trying to pump up Trump's approval ratings, because he's the easiest for her to beat. Another experienced loser, John F'n Kerry agrees. 
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks during the Iowa Democratic Party's Hall of Fame Dinner, Friday, July 17, 2015, in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Charlie Neibergall/AP PHOTO
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
Wait a minute. Is John McLameBrain running for president again? I remember when Bob (Viagra) Dole made a similar backhand slap to Poppy Bush when they were bofe candidates - Poppy was famous for getting shot down in the Pacific, while Viagra Man had bunches of military awards and commendations. I guess it was okay because they were bofe WW2 vets. I honestly think that Trump is rolling out the red carpet for Hildebeast...in his own way of doing things.
I find more value in the contents of my septic tank, than I do in anything hillary says!!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
If that is what you really think. Then I think you're really dumb.
I honestly think that Trump is rolling out the red carpet for Hildebeast...in his own way of doing things. Hillary escaped from the Bosnian snipers with only a few holes in her head. It's a lot easier to blame the other party, than it is to make excuses for a Bush or a Trump. If that is what he really thinks, you are correct in your assessment.
Thanks for your vote of confidence, Dumbo. p.s. That's pebbles in your hat.
Any person who made a comment such as you did then follows it up with a goofy cartoon is not intelligent or mature enough to merit confidence.
Of course she does. Like our very own libtard posters here, SHE FEARS TRUMP. Hell, every liberal minded person should fear him. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Of course she does. Like our very own libtard posters here, SHE FEARS TRUMP. Hell, every liberal minded person should fear him. He certainly has a gift for rattling some cages that need rattling.
Trump is a graduate of the New York Military Academy, Class of 1964.
conservativebyte.com/2015...g-the-trump-mccain-fight/ original.antiwar.com/gira.../john-mccain-war-hero-or- something-less/ www.nationalwriterssyndic.../349/2/hanoi-john-mccain- the-manchurian-candidate/ polidics.com/ethics/fello...ccain-was-a-coward-and-a- traitor-in-viet-nam.html www.onecitizenspeaking.co...et-nam-collaborator-john- mccain-re-write-history-again.html In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
Those holes in her head are the reason Hillary thought she was being shot at by Bosnian snipers. There fixed it for you. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
ForbidenKnowledgeTV Uploaded on Dec 1, 2011 by iwillspyonyou Text by Ken Adachi (with light editing by AB) Earl Hopper spent 30 years with the Army in Airborne Special Services and with Army Intelligence and he was a founding member of the National League of Families, dedicated to returning living POWs and MIAs of the Vietnam War. He and those interviewed purport that the narrative propagated by McCain, of his five and a half years as a Prisoner of War in North Vietnam is about as far from the truth as one could possibly imagine. They allege that McCain, from the very first moments of his capture behaved as a COLLABORATOR and propaganda tool for his North Vietnamese captors. McCain is described as engaging in no less than 30, and up to 38 anti-American propaganda broadcasts for Radio Hanoi during the period of his captivity. Far from the image of the dedicated American “hero” sweating it out in a North Vietnamese prisoner’s “hotbox” for five and half years, McCain was observed by fellow prisoners to be receiving special treatment by his captors, who were fully aware of his father’s and grandfather’s 4-star Admiral positions with the US Navy. Not a single contemporary captive interviewed here ever witnessed McCain’s alleged “torture” at the hands of his jailers. The consensus opinion of the other POWs in McCain’s camps was that McCain was actually NEVER tortured by the North Vietnamese. McCain’s disgraceful and wholly reprehensible conduct (along with that of John Kerry) during the 1991-93 Senate Committee on POW/MIAs, where McCain made massive efforts to block the release of classified documents and is described the person who did the most harm to the movement of families who wanted to rescue any remaining loved ones. McCain is described by those interviewed in this clip as perhaps the person who did the most to quash this movement and they suspect that this was because he didn’t want the truth to be revealed by them. To them, his actions leave no doubt that McCain is a traitor to this country and its veterans and especially, to the families of POWs and MIAs. John McCain: Traitor Vietnam Vets and POWs https://youtu.be/IMcYqtayU7c McCain blocked release of documents, cover-up, Earl Hopper, educate- yourself.org, exposed, John Kerry, John McCain, MIAs, National League of Families, North Vietnamese, POWs, Prisoner of War, propaganda, special treatment, vietnam, Vietnam War, was actually NEVER tortured. educate- yourself.org/cn/earlhoppe...html#sthash.JEDnkwds.dpuf In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
Juan McCain is the Kindest, Bravest, most Wonderful man she's ever met.
That may be the most stunning display of hypocrisy I have ever seen. It amounts to Bubba Bill coming out in support of virginity. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Proving once again that you are an idiot. She,Bubba Bill,and every other prominent Dim have decades of experience partying with Trump and doing deals with him. Anybody that doesn't think the DNC doesn't already have enough dirt on Trump to completely bury him isn't thinking very clearly. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
A elementary and high school for troubled youts from wealthy families. It's cheaper to send their children to the lock-ups of private military schools than it is to pay the lawyers to defend them. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Do you consider yourself a war hero?
There can be no doubt about that. There can also be no doubt that he was a hero right up to the time he was shot down and captured. OR the fact that there is no shame in being captured and made into a POW. In fact,one EARNED a Medal of Honor for his conduct AFTER becoming a POW,and in FACT,was NOT even captured. He SURRENDERED. He surrendered in order to be able to take care of his wounded friends because he knew the communists would just execute them if they became a burden. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humbert_Roque_Versace I know of one other soldier that was given a Medal of Honor after literally fighint all night at a outpost as the only mobile member of a platoon. He would run from one position to the other to fool the Chinese into thinking all the positions were manned,and he would supply ammunition to a few of the wounded who could still shoot,but were unable to walk. He SURRENDERED shortly before sunrise because he was literally out of ammunition to hold the enemy off,and because he wan't to be able to treat his wounded after they became prisoners of the Chinese. He was the platoon sgt,and felt responsible for them. His surrender efforts went all to hell when the Chinese started bayonetting the wounded where they lie,and he picked up an entrenching tool and started killing Chinese soldiers with it. When the relief element finally got to that hilltop after sunrise,he was the only walking man on the hill,and the area and the hillside leading up to it was covered with the bodies of Chinese soldiers. Ola Mize died within the last 2 years,and he was one of the nicest and most modest men you could ever hope to meet. A true gentleman in every sense of the word and admired by everyone who ever met him. He got a battlefield promotion after the hill incident,and retired as a Colonel. One final note. Even though I have nothing but contempt for the politician John McLunatic and the treasonous acts he has committed since being elected to public office,I can't criticize him for the things he did as a POW. NOBODY knows what they would do given the same set of circumstances,including me. I would like to think I would stand strong like Rocky did,but there are damn few of us born with the same stuff that Rocky had,and the only way to find out is to be put in that position. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No. Why do you ask? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Everyone that goes to Vietnam isn't a hero. He wasn't. He did serve honorably though. I'll give him that, because it is true.
Why do you ask? Because you said you went to war. I also think I recall you saying that everyone who went to Viet Nam was a hero. he·ro ÈhirM/ noun 1. a person, typically a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.
Attaboy! Fall right in line with the registered (D) libtards that fear Trump. He doesn't cater to special intrests. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Which are you,a fool or a liar? WTF do YOU know about combat or what it takes to be a hero? You never served a day in uniform,and you have never been shot at. McLunatic,as a second-rate pilot (which made it even more dangerous) flew loaded fighter-bombers off of a carrier deck,and then flew into areas loaded with anti-aircraft cannons as well as SAM missile sites in order to drop his bombs. These were the old "dumb" bombs you had to be in visual contact with your target before you could drop them. EVERYBODY that did that qualifies as a hero because it required a great deal of courage to do them. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
People are throwing around the phrase "war hero" as they do the word "rape". It seems like everyone has their own definition. Hillary should be asked how she defines it.
So you are a liar and you consider yourself a war hero. McCain wasn't. Like the word marriage the word hero has meaning too. The word stupid also has meaning. Look it up it describes you.
Why do you ask? Because you said you went to war. I also think I recall you saying that everyone who went to Viet Nam was a hero. You recall wrong. In FACT I have written numerous times that the majority of the people who went to VN during the VN war never heard a shot fired,and would have been in more danger living in Detroit. In the broader sense,"heroes" in the military are people who purposely put themselves in harms way by exposing themselves to enemy fire to defeat the enemy and/or to protect others. In a SPECIFIC sense,heroes are individuals that have been recognized and awarded for individual actions that resulted in personal awards/medals being awarded to them. For example,every member of a unit that gets a Presidential Unit Citation wears the citation on their uniform as a group award,but personal awards,from basic rifle qualifications as a sharpshooter,marksman,or expert shooter (for the army and USMC) or the US Havy/USCG/USAF equivalent and up is given as an individual award. When you are in the military you wear your bio on your chest when wearing your dress uniform. One quick glance can tell another that is knowledgable about awards and citations where you have been,and a rough idea of what you did while there. I will admit that in MY opinion the lowliest personell clerk that went to VN exhibited more courage than those that dodged the draft or sought safe slots in NG units. I don't think I have ever written that before,though. Yes,it IS possible that some of those people were sufficiently courageous to have gone there and done what was required of them as a rifleman,door gunner,etc,etc,etc,but sought deferments for reasons having nothing to do with fear. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Then it was someone else. My bad.
ROFLMAO! The scary part is you probably believe that. He IS a special interest. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Nobody on LF is a bigger liar than you. I know what your program is. You know I get really pissed off at being called a liar,and you are trying to chase me off so you don't have to deal with the truth about your lust bunny and idol,Trump. You want to do that so you can pretend you are open-minded and I left of my own accord,or even that you chased me away. That's what's behind all those bullshit 1 day suspensions. You ain't fooling anybody but yourself. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Then he used deferments to keep him out of Vietnam (before he ended up eventually with a high draft number ) . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
In McCain's case ,he was offered a chance to be freed early because he was an admiral's son ,and he refused to go if he was the only prisoner being freed . He believed that the prisoners who were captured before he was should be released 1st . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That is respectable and admirable.
Even IF we concede you point that McCain's gesture was "heroic," does it make him a "hero"?? Did his gesture SAVE anyone? Overall, how is a special Veterans Committee Arizona Senator who conspired with Kerry NOT to help negotiate forcefully on the return of Nam POWs a "hero"? He's done minimally to help vets in AZ, has sabotaged all efforts to make America conservative, as a patsy, purposely sabotaged his own the election in 2008, has conspired with the agenda and Leftists of the Dem Party (Hitlery, 0blabla, etal.), was implicated in the 'Keating 5' grand larceny, has negotiated, enabled and abetted ISIS personally. John McCain is NO "hero," Tom. He's an out and out traitor to the uniform, to the nation, to the American people, to GOD.
So? That only reinforced Trump's intelligence in NOT being railroaded into serving the interests of the reptilian PTB as a political pawn and prop. The American elites NEVER waged that war to WIN. And that my friend was a sin.
I am not a fan of McCain but the MIA POWs held by the Vietnamese after the war was over is a myth.
Look -- neither one of you will back down on your respective (prickly, stubborn) position. I'm as stubborn as a mule sometimes, but sometime we gotta just move on to other posters and subjects. I've enjoyed both your posts over the many years, gentlemen. MANY years. This life is too short. Like LP, LF has provided an important and informative outlet and venting mechanism -- even for those with which we disagree. Stone, on behalf of everyone here, we appreciate the freedom and forum to open up on a myriad of subjects. And cleaning up the place of trolls. Thank you. Over at Stalinist FR, JR and his Mods have just censored ALL Protestants as "bashers" of Catholics. As the usual idiots cheer him and his "ZOTS!" on. Lord knows Pete and I (as well as few others here) have had many passionate, personal disagreements. He gives it, he takes it. Ok, over and done with. We will never see eye to eye on some things. That said, it doesn't mean he hates me, or I hate him. I still love the guy, and I love you and others here. Sneakypete is a man with his own opinions. You are you also your own man. That will not change. Unless someone is trying to hijack your forum with a specific, subversive, agenda or masquerading as several trolls, please let this go. Just my humble opinion for with it's worth.
Based on what source of information?
Yup. They're also tossing around "hero" around like Mardi Gras beads. The day Bruce Jenner became a "hero" at ESPN for dressing up like a woman was the day the shark was totally jumped. "As to "rape" -- that definition is now another matter for the legal profession to enrich itself, and insane feminazi movement to persecute men.
Based on what source of information? One of many articles via Google: http://www.csmonitor.com/1992/0113/13204.html Lay the POW/MIA Myth to Rest January 13, 1992 In the December 1991 Atlantic, scholar H. Bruce Franklin writes, "Every responsible investigation conducted since the end of the war has reached the same conclusion: There is no credible evidence that live Americans are being held against their will in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, or China." Yet the myth survives, fanned partly by the bereaved families and partly by others for their own reasons. It should be laid decently to rest.
NOT believable, not can or should the word of Franklin be believed. You can believe whatever myths and propaganda you want. It's what you do.
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#2. To: hondo68 (#0)
#3. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
I honestly think that Trump is rolling out the red carpet for Hildebeast...in his own way of doing things.
#4. To: Fred Mertz, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#1)
Poppy was famous for getting shot down in the Pacific, while Viagra Man had bunches of military awards and commendations.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#5. To: A K A Stone (#3)
If that is what you really think. Then I think you're really dumb.
#6. To: rlk (#5)
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#7. To: Fred Mertz (#6)
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Thanks for your vote of confidence, Dumbo.
#8. To: hondo68 (#0)
Hillary Clinton Condemns Donald Trump’s ‘Insults’ of ‘Genuine War Hero’ John McCain
#9. To: GrandIsland (#8)
Hillary Clinton Condemns Donald Trump’s ‘Insults’ of ‘Genuine War Hero’ John McCain
#10. To: A K A Stone (#3)
#11. To: hondo68 (#0)
#12. To: hondo68 (#4)
Hillary escaped from the Bosnian snipers with only a few holes in her head.
#13. To: All (#11)
#14. To: hondo68 (#0)
#15. To: hondo68 (#0)
Hillary Clinton Condemns Donald Trump’s ‘Insults’ of ‘Genuine War Hero’ John McCain
#16. To: GrandIsland (#8)
Of course she does. Like our very own libtard posters here, SHE FEARS TRUMP. Hell, every liberal minded person should fear him.
#17. To: Pericles (#10)
Trump is a graduate of the New York Military Academy, Class of 1964.
#18. To: sneakypete (#17)
#19. To: out damned spot (#13)
He and those interviewed purport that the narrative propagated by McCain, of his five and a half years as a Prisoner of War in North Vietnam is about as far from the truth as one could possibly imagine. They allege that McCain, from the very first moments of his capture behaved as a COLLABORATOR and propaganda tool for his North Vietnamese captors.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)
Do you consider yourself a war hero?
#21. To: sneakypete (#19)
There can also be no doubt that he was a hero right up to the time he was shot down and captured.
#22. To: sneakypete (#20)
No.
#23. To: sneakypete (#16)
have decades of experience partying with Trump
#24. To: A K A Stone (#21)
Everyone that goes to Vietnam isn't a hero. He wasn't.
#25. To: GrandIsland (#8)
#26. To: sneakypete (#24)
#27. To: A K A Stone (#22)
No. i W
#28. To: sneakypete (#27)
You recall wrong.
#29. To: GrandIsland (#23)
He (Trump) doesn't cater to special intrests.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#26)
So you are a liar and you consider yourself a war hero.
#31. To: Pericles, A K A Stone (#10)
Trump is a graduate of the New York Military Academy, Class of 1964.
#32. To: sneakypete, Pericles, A K A Stone (#27)
In the broader sense,"heroes" in the military are people who purposely put themselves in harms way by exposing themselves to enemy fire to defeat the enemy and/or to protect others.
#33. To: tomder55 (#32)
In McCain's case ,he was offered a chance to be freed early because he was an admiral's son ,and he refused to go if he was the only prisoner being freed . He believed that the prisoners who were captured before he was should be released 1st .
#34. To: tomder55, sneakypete, Pericles, A K A Stone (#32)
In McCain's case ,he was offered a chance to be freed early because he was an admiral's son ,and he refused to go if he was the only prisoner being freed . He believed that the prisoners who were captured before he was should be released 1st .
#35. To: tomder55 (#31)
Then he [Trump] used deferments to keep him out of Vietnam (before he ended up eventually with a high draft number ) .
#36. To: Liberator, tomder55, sneakypete, A K A Stone (#34)
how is a special Veterans Committee Arizona Senator who conspired with Kerry NOT to help negotiate forcefully on the return of Nam POWs a "hero"?
#37. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete, redleghunter, TooConservative, CZ82, Deckard (#30)
#38. To: Pericles (#36)
The MIA POWs held by the Vietnamese after the war was over is a myth.
#39. To: misterwhite (#25)
People are throwing around the phrase "war hero" as they do the word "rape". It seems like everyone has their own definition.
#40. To: Liberator (#38)
The MIA POWs held by the Vietnamese after the war was over is a myth.
#41. To: Pericles (#40)
In the December 1991 Atlantic, scholar H. Bruce Franklin writes, "Every responsible investigation conducted since the end of the war has reached the same conclusion: There is no credible evidence that live Americans are being held against their will in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, or China."
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