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Title: Trump creates outrage in Iowa claiming that John McCain wasn't a war hero because he was a captured POW – and dodges questions about his own Vietnam War draft deferments
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Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... all-half-field-stays-home.html
Published: Jul 18, 2015
Author: David Martosko, US Political Editor
Post Date: 2015-07-18 13:59:06 by cranky
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Donald Trump escalated his feud with Sen. John McCain on Saturady in Iowa by suggesting only his capture and five years as a prisoner of war turned him into a 'war hero.' 'He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,' Trump said on stage at the Family Leader Summit in Ames. McCain spent years in a Viet Cong prison after the plane he was flying was shot down over Hanoi in October 1967.He was tortured enough to produce permanent physical disabilities. Trump got student and medical deferments and never served in uniform. He told reporters after his speech that a bone spur in his foot led to the medical exemption from the draft. Asked which foot had disqualified him, he couldn't remember. 'You'll have to look it up,' Trump said dismissively. 'It's in the records.' Rick Perry, the former Texas governor who is running 10th in an average of national polls, immediately called for Trump to quit his presidential campaign. ANGRY: Trump attacked Sen. John McCain and said the only reason he is considered a war hero is his capture and imprisonment as a POW during the Vietnam War. NOT A HERO? Sen. John McCain spent more than five years in a North Vietnamese prison after his plane was shot down durign the Vietnam War WALKING WOUNDED: McCain's torture left him disfigured and permanently damaged 'I respect Sen. McCain because he volunteered to serve his country,' Perry said in a statement. 'I cannot say the same of Mr. Trump.' 'His comments have reached a new low in American politics. His attack on veterans make him unfit to be Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces, and he should immediately withdraw from the race for President.' Trump focued considerable rhetorical artillery on McCain Saturday, mocking his bona fides on military and veterans issues: 'He graduated last in his class at Annapolis,' he claimed. 'Well, second-to-last.' In a press conference following his speech, Trump backtracked a few inches about prisoners of war. 'If somebody's a prisoner, I would consider him a war hero,' he said. 'But her have lots of heroes who wersn't prisoners. The billionaire's tussle with McCain began after he drew a reported 15,000 people to a campaign event in Phoenix to talk about illegal immigration. McCain, a proponent of comprehensive immigration reform, called his audience 'crazies.' Trump responded that the GOP's 2008 presidential nominee was a 'dummy.' In an emailed statement to DailyMail.com, Trump said after his press conference: 'I am not a fan John McCain because he has done so little for our Veterans and he should know better than anybody what the Veterans need, especially in regards to the VA.' 'He was extremely disrespectful to the thousands upon thousands of people, many of whom happen to be his constituents, that came to listen to me speak about illegal immigration in Phoenix last week by calling them "crazies",' Trump carped. 'These were not "crazies" – these were great American citizens.' 'I have great respect for all those who serve in our military including those that weren’t captured and are also heroes,' he insisted. Republicans auditioned all day for Christian conservatives, parading their bona fides in the nations' first presidential primary state. But not everyone searching for votes showed up. The cattle-call brought nine of the Republican Party's 15 declared presidential candidates to a single stage, less than a day after Democrats did the same thing – with all five of their White House hopefuls – a two-hour drive to the east. The Christian-right sponsoring group, The Family Leader, attracted mostly the candidates from the conservative end of the GOP spectrum. Led by political kingmaker Bob Vander Plaats, the group wields outsize influence in the Hawkeye State whenever Republicans barnstorm through during the run-up to the quadrennial Iowa caucuses. The $10 billion man was otherwise a crowd favorite in Ames, Iowa, speaking about his religion before a group of Christian conservatives Donald Trump's childhood church was First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens, New York City. He said he was in church just last week Anti-abortion politics were visible in Ames, Iowa on July 18, 2015 at the Family Leader summit, a gathering of Republican presidential candidates hosted Missing in Ames was the Republican front-runner Jeb Bush, the sometimes-moderate New Jersey governor Chris Christie and the usually moderate former New York governor George Pataki. Nowhere to be found were senators Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Rand Paul of Kentucky. Paul's libertarian brand of Republicanism, makes some religious conservatives wary. Carly Fiorina, the GOP's only female While House contestant, also didn't make the trip. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, the day's first candidate-speaker, wrapped up his time on stage in a Q&A with pollster Frank Luntz by asking if he could read aloud from a book. 'It's a Bible,' he said, drawing wild cheers from the audience. He read from the Gospel of Luke, chapter 12, verse 48: 'From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded' – explaining it as a parable about America's global primacy and its obligations to keep its people, and the world, safe. Rubio blasted the Obama administration's recent nuclear bargain with Iran, calling it 'a complete sham.' He also castigated the president for sidestepping the role of Islam in global terror. 'It's not radical Presbyterian terrorism,' he said. 'It's radical Islamic terrorism. ... We have to target them militarily in their safe havens.' Abortion politics were visible both outside and inside the event venue in Ames, Iowa. Sign-wavers pointed to right-wing outrage over a surreptitious video that showed a Planned Parenthood medical doctor describing how she tailored her abortion procedures in order to preserve fetal body parts for human biologics companies. Outrage over an undercover video sting of Planned Parenthood brought anti-abortion Iowa Rep. Steve King kicked off the day with anger over 'that in-quotes "doctor"' whom he said was killing 'babies that could be viable outside the womb. It is sickening to watch.' Seizing on the political moment as a springboard for new laws tightening abortion restrictions, Knig said: 'This is our chance.' Also in evidence was a lingering resentment over this month's stunning Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex weddings nationwide. 'Marriage = 1 [man] and 1 [woman],' a projected image declared above the stage as the crowd filed in, using icons to represent male and female. 
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#131. To: Liberator (#127)
You say Jesus judge's men's hearts. And he does. But JESUS SAID he judges men by their deeds. He included deeds of the heart along with deeds done with the hands, but he did not EXCLUDE deeds done with the hands when he ADDED deeds done in the heart. This is the great error: to think that deeds done with the hands are "works" and they don't count. Every line of Jesus, and all but two lines of Paul, ought to tell everybody that's not true. If it were, the path to Salvation would be broad and easy, and gate wide. But it's not. Jesus said so.
Because if in your heart you are thinking of sinning but you don't. You haven't. Remember -- it's not what WE believe in our heart, but what God sees and knows what's in our heart. Our heart cannot lie to the Lord. I believe that it has to be an action not just a random thought that you don't act on. Even the mob and drug lords help build churches and provide "humanitarian" relief. Just sayin'.
That's a tricky riddle. Jesus also said, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die." Deeds and works had better be backed up by unselfish motives and love of Christ. Or else they are empty gestures. The "deeds" and works of Believers are compelled and inspired by the Holy Spirit within the hearts of Believers.
"Whoever gives just a cup of cold water to these shall have their reward." Jesus seems to be more generous with rewards than thou.
Excellent overview and perspective of John McCain, the pilot, the politician, the husband. His "qualifications," achievements, and his character are more than flawed unfortunately; He's been a narcissistic mental case.
Of course. He's God.
Good post, in fact it's an excellent post. I take exception to nothing and I can't add anything.
Take you head out of your ass and note that I am not even a registered REP. I change my registration to Independent years ago. I am disgusted with both parties as neither represent me or my family. Don't get you panties in a bunch becuase my BS radar is better than yours. You may delude yourself and worship at the alter of false Messiahs such as Trump but don't expect me to be an idiot too. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Well, when you put it that way, tnaks for admitting that you too are a jerk. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
For the last time, I am not a fan of McCain. But his military service demands more respect than your Dollar Donald and his band of pied piper morons deny. "I think not, let’s do so now. Her, let me fix this for you "I think not." Over and out. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You condemn Trump for his morals and yet you give McCain a pass on his. You are a hypocrite and McCain is no hero.
Who does SOSO support? First and foremost God and my family. As for the poltical scene, all the candidates, announced or pending, have flaws and weaknessess. At this point I haven't chosen a side other than I'd say it's pertty certain that it will not be the Drat candidate. I can't recall a national election in my lifetime in which I didn't have some serious misgivings about the person for whom I voted. I judge people for what they do not what they say. Except perhaps for Obmama there hasn't been a single elected politican that did what they promised, not even Reagan. Obama promised to rebuild America from the ground up. He has lived up to that promise. If you read anything about his life prior to running for national office he promised to find a way to implement reparations. For the most part he is well down that road to successfully achieving his goal. He told us all in plain language about his disdain for the role the U.S. has played in international affairs. And he told us how he would change that. He lived up to his promise. Need I go on? But We The People elected him...........TWICE. I never expect to find a perfect candidate on the ballot. However I admit that in far too many elections I held my nose when I voted. At this stage in my life I will not do that any more. If the choice comes down to a Turd Sandwhich or a Douche Bag or some Third Party Scumbag, each of which IMO has serious flaws or shortcomings, I probably will just stay home. The truth as I see it is that We The People always get what we want, which is manifest by what we do not what we say. We The People elected Clinton twice (neither time with the majority of popular votes), Obama twice, Nixon twice, Shrub twice. And how many Senators are serving their third or fourth term? Congressman their 8th, 9th or 10th? It is absurd to put so much trust and faith into any politician. They are all power hungry ego maniacs and control freaks looking out for Numero Uno. So you may continue to worship at the altar of the candiate of your choice. Just don't expect me to emualte your irrational action. There is only one Savior in my life and He is never on the ballot. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
How many times have I told you that I am not a fan of McCain? Now you can just go f*ck yourself. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
How many times do I have to tell you that you are still are a hypocrite....for condemning Trump and giving McCain a pass for doing worse, by calling McCain a "HERO." McCain is no hero.
And how many times do I need to tell to go f*ck yourself? I don't suffer fools well, especially disingenuous ones. You are totally insufferable. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
As long as you continue to expose yourself as the hypocrite you are. McCain is no hero.
I'm just "keepin' it real".
He was a military prince, son and grandson of an admiral. He partied his way through Annapolis, graduating at the very bottom of his class. He was a lousy pilot and didn't follow procedure in attack and got himself shot down by AA because of it. While ejecting, his poor adherence to training caused him to be severely injured and permanently maimed (due to lack of medical care in POW camp). If he wasn't a military prince, the Navy would probably have never let him fly, let alone fly a warplane. All that said, McCain did suffer maiming from his service, he was in POW camp a long time and didn't go home when they offered to let him go. That was the most honorable thing he did in his Navy career. It would have been easy to just quit after he'd been maimed. There are a lot of other vets that are much bigger heroes than McCain. Bob Kerrey and Bob Dole both had better much records in elite units and lost limbs, for instance. But he served and suffered so "war hero" may be the only term that fits, even if he was a lousy pilot rightly held in low regard in the military.
It's fair enough to call him a war hero. He was, and is, a jerk. But he meets the qualifications to be Senator: the majority of voters in his state vote for him in the Congressional election.
'Zactly. "He was, and is, a jerk. But he meets the qualifications to be Senator: the majority of voters in his state vote for him in the Congressional election." Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. - H. L. Mencken {or something like that} потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Agreed. The same could have been said of Benedict Arnold. In the end both betrayed America.
Lots of doublespeak, and you inconvenienced a whole bunch of electrons to say nothing. "Balanced nuance" is RINOspeak for posts like yours. SOSO the acronym, meaning: "Supporting Obama's Socialist Objectives."
Fair and balanced assessment of McCain. His gesture to remain a POW was honorable -- no doubt. THIS is what Trump should say....but then help America ask itself: "WHAT IS the definition of "heroic"? Maybe it's time for THIS discussion (especially after tranny attention-whore Bruce Jenner was described as a "hero.") Trump's words were in-artfully phrased to say the least. Yes, tactless. But then Trump has never been a PC kinda guy, which makes him uniquely refreshing. AND honest. Isn't THIS what we should be looking for in a candidate? Instead of subterfuge, PC weasel words, and total ambiguity?
Wait -- so McStain -- who is a chronic liar, disloyal party hack and traitor -- is MORE deserved of respect than Donald Trump, who dares speak the truth of the Illegal invaders, the trashing our economy, and the disasterous foreign policy -- ALL of which are enabled by the likes of one John McCain??
"Supporting Obama's Socialist Objectives." Yo, NN (for No-brian Ninny), can I have some of your meds? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
According to his RINO logic Benedict Arnold is also more deserving. And Judas was one of the 12 disciples, so you should respect him too. It's fun watch SOSO dance around, he has to be dishonest about what he's for because it's so unpopular. Obama was soft peddling his snake oil back in the day too. The guys pushing the agenda of the Davos-Doha douche-bags need to adopt a "balanced nuance" because they know that truth acts like disinfectant to the pathogens they're spreading. Strait shooters like Pat Buchanan and Donald Trump wield the truth, the weapon RINO's fear the most. Remember over in Freeperstan how the RINO's like Dane and Bayourod went into conniption fits over Buchanan editorials? Same thing with SOSO today.
Fair and balanced assessment of McCain. His gesture to remain a POW was honorable -- no doubt. THIS is what Trump should say....but then help America ask itself: "WHAT IS the definition of "heroic"? Maybe it's time for THIS discussion (especially after tranny attention-whore Bruce Jenner was described as a "hero.") Trump's words were in-artfully phrased to say the least. Yes, tactless. But then Trump has never been a PC kinda guy, which makes him uniquely refreshing. AND honest. Isn't THIS what we should be looking for in a candidate? Instead of subterfuge, PC weasel words, and total ambiguity? Liberator posted on 2015-07-20 12:25:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #154. To: SOSO, Gatlin, A K A Stone (#140) I {Soso} am not a fan of McCain. But his military service demands more respect than your Dollar Donald and his band of pied piper morons deny. Wait -- so McStain -- who is a chronic liar, disloyal party hack and traitor -- is MORE deserved of respect than Donald Trump, who dares speak the truth of the Illegal invaders, the trashing our economy, and the disasterous foreign policy -- ALL of which are enabled by the likes of one John McCain?? Liberator posted on 2015-07-20 12:29:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply You speak out of both sides of your mouth quite well. Undoubtedly you are well practiced at it. But if you cannot bring yourself to stop your duplicity yourself I will answer your question. When it comes to McCain's military service, absolutely McCain is deserving of more respect than Dollar Donald. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Absolutely. If you want aircraft carriers trashed or airplanes dumped in the ocean through incompetence, complete with elaborate cover-ups to make him look good, McCain is the man to get. No doubt about it.
Never bring a limp noodle to a gun fight, SOSO. This is why you haven't won a debate here at LF. EVER. Let's parse my post...honestly. Within honest context. Something of which you are incapable. "Fair and balanced assessment of McCain." THAT statement of mine was with respect to TC's BRUTAL assessment and succinct review of McStain's service. YOU: I spoke of McCain's "gesture to remain a POW" -- NOT his "military service" -- YOUR quote -- THIS is what YOU find yourself changing your wet panties over? HA! McStain's "military service" is a buffoonish disgrace. Trump's only "crime" is in lacking tact....IN TELLING THE UNVARNISHED TRUTH. Deal with it, RINO. John McStain -- the guy YOU defend here -- is indeed an Open Borders crusader, Illegal Invader supporter, one of the authors of outsourcing and trashing the American economy, acted as a proxy rep for 0buma in meeting with terrorists, sicced the Eye Are Ess on the Tea Party and Conservative Groups along with Carl Levin (D.) REMINDER: YOUR GUY. The guy you've been defending from Trump's MUCH deserved public beatdown is NO "hero", but a turncoat traitor to America and a lying POS.
Great points -- Judas was an Apostle; Benedict Arnold a GREAT American General. Didn't turn out well in either case, eh? By their logic, RESPECT THEM!! Because they ought to be in God's/Washington's Hall of Fame too. For "heroism." Apparently, mere military service is "heroic"; Whether you've helped create a FUBAR situation aboard the carrier Forrestal; flouted protocol because you're the big-shot son of an Admiral; OR, because screwed up your ejection in a jet of a mission you've just completely messed up, now you've broken several bones, and become a POW....and according to some here, THAT'S a "hero"?? Yes, it's RINO logic AND worship of the Military...for NO reason other than to engage in Hero Worship and bend the knee. Because at the heart of every RINO is a Groupie of Authoritah. Whether the suits of Senators, Congressmen, or Presidents; OR, the sniffing of badges or Socialist/Statist-Fascist/Papal uniforms. I'm tired of being "trained" to kneel before fake "heroes," be expected to respect and uniform-sniff without regard for deed or word or actual patriotism. Strait shooters like Pat Buchanan and Donald Trump wield the truth, the weapon RINO's fear the most. Yup. It's the TRUTH being attacked in the name of John McCain's so-called "heroism." Whether Trump OR Buchanan back in the day. At the end of the day, the RINOs, the GOPe groupies, and the Dem-lib cultists ALL worship the same thing. BONDAGE. SLAVERY. SOSO can continue to defend the defenseless -- after all, he's dug in. But it's one more LOSE-LOSE for him. Remember over in Freeperstan how the RINO's like Dane and Bayourod went into conniption fits over Buchanan editorials? Same thing with SOSO today. Ha...once upon a time, eh, my friend? THAT was a fight that JR and GOPE Freepers refused to fight. BECAUSE he was a traitor, and so too were MANY Freepers. Damage done. IF the "honor" of a traitor -- John McCain -- must be defended, we are finished. Thanks to those same fake patriots.
Lol...
LMAO. Dance, ballerina, dnace.......... потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Where was Dollar Donald during the Vietnam War? Where were you? Do you really want to match McCain's military service with DOller Donald's? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Frontrunner?? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
No wonder why you delusionally believe that you win every agrument, you eat, drink, breathe, belch, fart and sh*t strawmen. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I would prefer to reserve the appellation "war hero" to those few who have done something truly heroic and have earned praise as a "war hero." This seems to be watering down the term to where conduct deserving of a good conduct award would also be deserving of some heroism or valor in combat award. "War hero" should be reserved for those few who have stood out from the rest of us who have served honorably, but without such distinction.
Leading from behind?
So sayeth the polls. Trump is number two. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
I was kidnapped by the local draft board and then made a prisoner in JFK's and Robert MacNamara's army. It cost me a chance for medical school. Don't start pulling that shit on me.
T.C. ---- McCain did suffer maiming from his service, he was in POW camp a long time and didn't go home when they offered to let him go. That was the most honorable thing he did in his Navy career. It would have been easy to just quit after he'd been maimed. Nolu ----- I would prefer to reserve the appellation "war hero" to those few who have done something truly heroic and have earned praise as a "war hero." This seems to be watering down the term to where conduct deserving of a good conduct award would also be deserving of some heroism or valor in combat award. "War hero" should be reserved for those few who have stood out from the rest of us who have served honorably, but without such distinction. McCain's 'heroism' derives from the fact that he didn't surrender, he was shot down, and even then, didn't quit. Other than that, I agree with Chan.. ----- Heroism and Heroes are a cut above, and McCain does not qualify.
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#132. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#128)
I think Vic is correct.
#133. To: Vicomte13 (#131)
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You say Jesus judge's men's hearts. And he does. But JESUS SAID he judges men by their deeds.
#134. To: Liberator (#133)
#135. To: Vicomte13 (#130)
#136. To: Vicomte13 (#134)
Jesus seems to be more generous with rewards than thou.
#137. To: Vicomte13, misterwhite (#130)
#138. To: nativist nationalist (#113)
BS; you're a big shill for the RINO establishment RNC types.
#139. To: Vicomte13 (#130)
McCain's a jerk. That he flew planes once upon a time is a recormmendation for nothing. I did too. So what?
#140. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#124)
Have you taken a close look at McCain’s moral values?
#141. To: SOSO (#140)
#142. To: A K A Stone, nativist nationalist, All (#114)
#143. To: Gatlin (#141)
You condemn Trump for his morals and yet you give McCain a pass on his.
#144. To: SOSO (#143)
#145. To: Gatlin (#144)
How many times do I have to tell you that you are still are a hypocrite
#146. To: SOSO (#145)
And how many times do I need to tell to go f*ck yourself?
#147. To: SOSO (#139)
Well, when you put it that way, tnaks for admitting that you too are a jerk.
#148. To: Gatlin, SOSO (#146)
McCain is no hero.
#149. To: TooConservative (#148)
#150. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative, Gatlin (#149)
It's fair enough to call him a war hero.
#151. To: Vicomte13 (#149)
It's fair enough to call him a war hero.
#152. To: SOSO, A K A Stone (#142)
Who does SOSO support?
#153. To: TooConservative (#148)
#154. To: SOSO, Gatlin, A K A Stone (#140)
I am not a fan of McCain. But his military service demands more respect than your Dollar Donald and his band of pied piper morons deny.
#155. To: nativist nationalist (#152)
SOSO the acronym, meaning:
#156. To: Liberator (#154)
Wait -- so McStain -- who is a chronic liar, disloyal party hack and traitor -- is MORE deserved of respect than Donald Trump, who dares speak the truth of the Illegal invaders, the trashing our economy, and the disasterous foreign policy -- ALL of which are enabled by the likes of one John McCain??
#157. To: Liberator, TooConservative, Gatlin, A K A Stone (#154)
#153. To: TooConservative (#148)
#158. To: SOSO (#157)
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When it comes to McCain's military service, absolutely McCain is deserving of more respect than Dollar Donald.
#159. To: SOSO, TooConservative, Gatlin, A K A Stone, nativist nationalist (#157)
#153. To: TooConservative (#148)
Me: "His gesture to remain a POW was honorable -- no doubt. THIS is what Trump should say...."
"[McStain's] military service demands more respect than your Dollar Donald..."
#160. To: nativist nationalist, SOSO (#156)
According to his RINO logic Benedict Arnold is also more deserving. And Judas was one of the 12 disciples, so you should respect him too. It's fun watch SOSO dance around, he has to be dishonest about what he's for because it's so unpopular.
#161. To: rlk (#158)
#162. To: Liberator, TooConservative, Gatlin, A K A Stone, nativist nationalist (#159)
I spoke of McCain's "gesture to remain a POW" -- NOT his "military service"
#163. To: rlk, TooConservative, Gatlin, A K A Stone, nativist nationalist, Liberator (#158)
When it comes to McCain's military service, absolutely McCain is deserving of more respect than Dollar Donald.
#164. To: cranky (#0)
Missing in Ames was the Republican front-runner Jeb Bush
#165. To: Liberator, nativist nationalist, Gatlin, TooConservative, A K A Stone (#160)
Great points -- Judas was an Apostle; Benedict Arnold a GREAT American General. Didn't turn out well in either case, eh? By their logic, RESPECT THEM!! Because they ought to be in God's/Washington's Hall of Fame too. For "heroism."
#166. To: TooConservative, Gatlin, SOSO (#148)
But he served and suffered so "war hero" may be the only term that fits
#167. To: CZ82, carnky (#164)
Frontrunner??
#168. To: CZ82 (#164)
Frontrunner??
#169. To: SOSO (#163)
Where were you?
#170. To: nolu chan, Y'ALL (#166)
Gatlin, (#146) ---- McCain is no hero.
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