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Title: Trump creates outrage in Iowa claiming that John McCain wasn't a war hero because he was a captured POW – and dodges questions about his own Vietnam War draft deferments
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Published: Jul 18, 2015
Author: David Martosko, US Political Editor
Post Date: 2015-07-18 13:59:06 by cranky
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Donald Trump escalated his feud with Sen. John McCain on Saturady in Iowa by suggesting only his capture and five years as a prisoner of war turned him into a 'war hero.' 'He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,' Trump said on stage at the Family Leader Summit in Ames. McCain spent years in a Viet Cong prison after the plane he was flying was shot down over Hanoi in October 1967.He was tortured enough to produce permanent physical disabilities. Trump got student and medical deferments and never served in uniform. He told reporters after his speech that a bone spur in his foot led to the medical exemption from the draft. Asked which foot had disqualified him, he couldn't remember. 'You'll have to look it up,' Trump said dismissively. 'It's in the records.' Rick Perry, the former Texas governor who is running 10th in an average of national polls, immediately called for Trump to quit his presidential campaign. ANGRY: Trump attacked Sen. John McCain and said the only reason he is considered a war hero is his capture and imprisonment as a POW during the Vietnam War. NOT A HERO? Sen. John McCain spent more than five years in a North Vietnamese prison after his plane was shot down durign the Vietnam War WALKING WOUNDED: McCain's torture left him disfigured and permanently damaged 'I respect Sen. McCain because he volunteered to serve his country,' Perry said in a statement. 'I cannot say the same of Mr. Trump.' 'His comments have reached a new low in American politics. His attack on veterans make him unfit to be Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces, and he should immediately withdraw from the race for President.' Trump focued considerable rhetorical artillery on McCain Saturday, mocking his bona fides on military and veterans issues: 'He graduated last in his class at Annapolis,' he claimed. 'Well, second-to-last.' In a press conference following his speech, Trump backtracked a few inches about prisoners of war. 'If somebody's a prisoner, I would consider him a war hero,' he said. 'But her have lots of heroes who wersn't prisoners. The billionaire's tussle with McCain began after he drew a reported 15,000 people to a campaign event in Phoenix to talk about illegal immigration. McCain, a proponent of comprehensive immigration reform, called his audience 'crazies.' Trump responded that the GOP's 2008 presidential nominee was a 'dummy.' In an emailed statement to DailyMail.com, Trump said after his press conference: 'I am not a fan John McCain because he has done so little for our Veterans and he should know better than anybody what the Veterans need, especially in regards to the VA.' 'He was extremely disrespectful to the thousands upon thousands of people, many of whom happen to be his constituents, that came to listen to me speak about illegal immigration in Phoenix last week by calling them "crazies",' Trump carped. 'These were not "crazies" – these were great American citizens.' 'I have great respect for all those who serve in our military including those that weren’t captured and are also heroes,' he insisted. Republicans auditioned all day for Christian conservatives, parading their bona fides in the nations' first presidential primary state. But not everyone searching for votes showed up. The cattle-call brought nine of the Republican Party's 15 declared presidential candidates to a single stage, less than a day after Democrats did the same thing – with all five of their White House hopefuls – a two-hour drive to the east. The Christian-right sponsoring group, The Family Leader, attracted mostly the candidates from the conservative end of the GOP spectrum. Led by political kingmaker Bob Vander Plaats, the group wields outsize influence in the Hawkeye State whenever Republicans barnstorm through during the run-up to the quadrennial Iowa caucuses. The $10 billion man was otherwise a crowd favorite in Ames, Iowa, speaking about his religion before a group of Christian conservatives Donald Trump's childhood church was First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens, New York City. He said he was in church just last week Anti-abortion politics were visible in Ames, Iowa on July 18, 2015 at the Family Leader summit, a gathering of Republican presidential candidates hosted Missing in Ames was the Republican front-runner Jeb Bush, the sometimes-moderate New Jersey governor Chris Christie and the usually moderate former New York governor George Pataki. Nowhere to be found were senators Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Rand Paul of Kentucky. Paul's libertarian brand of Republicanism, makes some religious conservatives wary. Carly Fiorina, the GOP's only female While House contestant, also didn't make the trip. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, the day's first candidate-speaker, wrapped up his time on stage in a Q&A with pollster Frank Luntz by asking if he could read aloud from a book. 'It's a Bible,' he said, drawing wild cheers from the audience. He read from the Gospel of Luke, chapter 12, verse 48: 'From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded' – explaining it as a parable about America's global primacy and its obligations to keep its people, and the world, safe. Rubio blasted the Obama administration's recent nuclear bargain with Iran, calling it 'a complete sham.' He also castigated the president for sidestepping the role of Islam in global terror. 'It's not radical Presbyterian terrorism,' he said. 'It's radical Islamic terrorism. ... We have to target them militarily in their safe havens.' Abortion politics were visible both outside and inside the event venue in Ames, Iowa. Sign-wavers pointed to right-wing outrage over a surreptitious video that showed a Planned Parenthood medical doctor describing how she tailored her abortion procedures in order to preserve fetal body parts for human biologics companies. Outrage over an undercover video sting of Planned Parenthood brought anti-abortion Iowa Rep. Steve King kicked off the day with anger over 'that in-quotes "doctor"' whom he said was killing 'babies that could be viable outside the womb. It is sickening to watch.' Seizing on the political moment as a springboard for new laws tightening abortion restrictions, Knig said: 'This is our chance.' Also in evidence was a lingering resentment over this month's stunning Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex weddings nationwide. 'Marriage = 1 [man] and 1 [woman],' a projected image declared above the stage as the crowd filed in, using icons to represent male and female. 
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#1. To: A.K. Stone (#0)
'He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,' Trump said on stage at the Family Leader Summit in Ames. Trump got student and medical deferments and never served in uniform. He told reporters after his speech that a bone spur in his foot led to the medical exemption from the draft. Asked which foot had disqualified him, he couldn't remember. That's your boy. You must be so proud of him. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Kinda like Limbaugh and his anal cyst that got him his deferment. As much as I despise McStain, at least he served. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much I don't consider McCain a war hero. I consider him a POS. Just because you get captured doesn't make you a hero. It has added to my knowledge of you that you consider John McCain a hero. Trump is right.
I broke my foot a few years ago. I have to think about it for a minute to remember which one it was. That was in the 60's i'm sure even harder. Who cares.
What do you disagree with?
John McCain served in the military and he served his country well. But, Trump is absolutely correct, McCain in not a war hero. I have great respect for a man who tells it like it is, a straight shooter is someone I have been waiting for to step forward.
Do you say that McCain is a war hero?
My views on McCain have been posted on numerous occasions. I agree with Stone - he's a traitorous POS. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Okay, I got it.
McCain is a war criminal who bombed civilians, not a war hero for being captured and I spit on his worthless Vietnam medals.
Way to go Trump. McCain has been a traitorous POS for a long time. He was the traitor who wanted to use our military as Al Qaeda's air force in Syria.
By his own admission: As other pilots saw it, John McCain, quite simply, had got himself shot down. He was tortured, but: Besides getting himself shot down:
A guy with the moral values to call his future wife to the national press a great piece of ass. A guy that slings sh*t at those who served in Vietnam but can't remember in which foot the bone spur got him his medical pass out. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You notice with the exception of one, the absence from this thread of the many who usually condemn McCain at every possible instance. Naturally, if they now come on and admit that McCain is no war hero….then they will be admitting Trump is right. Of course, they will never-never admit Trump is right….about anything. What a wussy bunch of candy assed hypocrites…
Then you and Trump spit on every American that was captured in WWI, WWII, the Korean War and Vietnam. I am sure you think that you all are real true blue patriots. I think that you are all a POS for spitting on these men and women that nobly served our country. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
If McCain is being called a war hero simply because he was a prisoner of war, then I agree with Trump. If someone is going to be singled out and called a "war hero", then they should have the Medal of Honor. McCain does not.
McCain was a spoiled chronic screw-up who got his way about everything and was pushed along because his father and grandfather were admirals. On his own merits he shouldn't even have been allowed to fly a kite instead of a jet fighter.
Of course Trump is right - McCain is not a war hero. However it seems somewhat hypocritical of him to throw stones from his glass house on this issue having never served in the military himself. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much What did Trump say about McCain that is untrue?
They're saying that being a prisoner of war does not make the person a war "hero". Let's reserve that designation for the true heroes.
So, are you saying that no one that has ever been in the military can be truthful about McCain? They can say nothing?
'It's a Bible,' he said, drawing wild cheers from the audience. He read from the Gospel of Luke, chapter 12, verse 48: 'From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded' – explaining it as a parable about America's global primacy and its obligations to keep its people, and the world, safe. Uh - no it isn't, you pandering gasbag. Unfortunately, I'm sure the rubes in the audience were completely taken in by this charlatan. What is it with politicians trying to use the bible as justification for more war and empire building? The guy is completely twisting Christ's words to push his own agenda. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much I'm saying that Trump would have more credibility if he himself had indeed served in the military. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much
SOSO must have been raised in the environment of "everyone's a winner" and "I'm special" and "it's OK as long as you tried". In his world, everyone's a hero -- dads, policemen, firemen, the military, kids in the hospital, women with cancer, astronauts, Caitlin Jenner -- they're all heroes. If you say they're not, then by God you're spitting on their bravery.
Moral Values is defined as: I for one am tired on career politicians who “conform to established sanctioned codes or accept notions others think are right and wrong.” I want a person who speaks his mind in straight talk and makes decision on not what is PC, but what is best for America. Donald Trump is that person….and I want Donald Trump for president.
Apparently, his low standing in his graduating class was deserved. It's always important to remember McStain was no ordinary recruit. He was military royalty, with bases named after his grandfather, John Sydney McCain and his father, John Sydney McCain II.
Lindsey Graham served in the military, does he have more credibility with you?
Donald Trump is that person….and I want Donald Trump for president. You sure about that? Donald Trump’s View on Cannabis Donald Trump has never smoked marijuana. The Donald says if he is elected President he would legalize drugs and use tax revenue to fund drug education. Trump argued in 1990 that the only way to win the War on Drugs was to legalize drugs and use the tax revenue to fund drug education programs. As he put it, “You have to take the profit away from these drug czars.” In his 2000 book, The America We Deserve, he stated that he’d never tried drugs “of any kind.” Trump would legalize and tax drugs but this doesn’t mean he approves of the use. He fired Miss USA crown winner due to drug over-indulgence. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much As far as I'm concerned, Graham has no credibility whatsoever, whether he served in the military or not. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much He was 894 out of 899, if memory serves me well. True.
Lindsey Graham served in the military, does he have more credibility with you? As far as I'm concerned, Graham has no credibility whatsoever, whether he served in the military or not. So, just because someone served in the military does not mean they have credibility. Conversely, someone need not serve in the military to have credibility. Got it...
No one will ever be the perfect candidate for someone, everyone has stated that in one way or the other. I can bite the bullet and live with Trump "legalizing drugs and use tax revenue to fund drug education" if I can see him elected as president.
When someone like Trump finds a winky, winky BS rich guy way to evade the draft, no he doesn't have any standing to critize the war record of anyone that honorably served when called - especially those that suffered unspeakable abuse at the hands of the enemy as a prisoner. I am not a fan of McCain. I thought that he was a terrible choice to represent the REP as it presidential candidate. But he answered the bell and put himself in harms ways when he easily could have gotten a much safer assignment given that both his father and grandfather admirals (I believe both 4 star). The story, whihc no-one has challenged is that McCain was badly wounded from ejecting from his plane when shot down, his captors refused to treat his injuries, beating and interrogating him to get information. He was then given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral. He almost assuredly could have recieved preferential treatment had he cooperated with the enemy but he didn't. In fact he spent the last couple of years in captivity in solitary confinement. I don't know about you but I'd called that herpic. What did Trump do in the war? You BS arm chair patriots make me puke when you pull crap like this. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
And you must have been raised in the environment where ignornance and duplicity are worshipped. Look up McCain's story as a prisoner of war. Tell me that you would have 1/10th the balls and courage that he had to endure that torture when he was offered an easy way out by the enemy. Get back to me when you grow a pair. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Even GW Bush stepped forward to join the national guard (although he was high on drugs and cocaine) ... some commander in chief he was, sending troops into Iraq for no good reason at all. Do you think I would vote for Trump whom just gives lip service? HELL no.
It is not surprising that a pig worships other pigs. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
And the problem and downside here for Trump is...WHAT AGAIN?? The GOPe muppets who failed to show are LOSERS. John McStain is NOT a "hero" by any definition. NOR particularly a very credible and truthful person. EVER in his life. McStain's account and involvement in the tragedy aboard the carrier Forrestal is not only suspect, but suggests the evidence is rather indicting that he cost lives. McStain abandoned his first wife when he discovered she was hurt badly in terrible car accident...WHILE SHE WAITED FOE HIM. McStain's bail out of his jet -- which led to his imprisonment as the coddled son of a Navy admiral -- was all his own doing. He was a clown of a pilot by most accounts of his peers. He parlayed his so-called "heroism," dramatic emotional photo op return as a POW, his father's influence, and incredible luck (i.e. selling his soul) into a career as an establishment Republican, tool of special interest, illegal invasion advocate, and enemy of conservatism. McStain's photo ops and actual meetings in Syria with known terrorists and operatives implicate him as a collaborator and tool of 0buma's warped Middle East policies McStain purposely LOST the 2008 election to 0buma. He then demonstrated his disloyalty and dishonor by NOT defending Sarah Palin when it was obvious HIS campaign staff was undermining her personally and professionally. McStain repeatably foiled conservative policies as a Senator while enabling Democrat policies. I could go on... Donald Trump is 100% right about the fecklessness and fake creds of John McStain, who is nothing but a weaselly Dem-globalist operative and traitor to America. To which I say to Trump: PILE IT ON and run up the score. The fact that Trump did NOT serve in the military is...IRRELEVANT to leading America NOT toward the NWO vision of the GOPe elites or Dems, but toward the vision of the Founders.
Balls, courage, bravery, patriotism ... all that and then some. But that doesn't make him a "war hero", and that's all Trump was saying.
Trump is a failure as a man on so many levels. What man would would say this about his wife Marla Maples: ""You know, it really doesn't matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass."" потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestDonald Trump escalated his feud with Sen. John McCain on Saturady in Iowa by suggesting only his capture and five years as a prisoner of war turned him into a 'war hero.'
#2. To: cranky (#0)
Trump couldn't remember which foot had the bone spur that brought his medical deferment from the Vietnam draft
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#3. To: SOSO (#1)
#4. To: Deckard (#2)
Kinda like Limbaugh and his anal cyst that got him his deferment.
#5. To: SOSO (#1)
#6. To: All (#0)
(Edited)
#7. To: Deckard (#2)
As much as I despise McStain, at least he served.
#8. To: Gatlin (#7)
(Edited)
Do you say that McCain is a war hero?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#9. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#8)
Do you say that McCain is a war hero?
My views on McCain have been posted on numerous occasions.
I agree with Stone - he's a traitorous POS.
Since you say that he is a traitorous POS, then he is no war hero.
Thank you.
#10. To: cranky, A.K. Stone, SOSO, Deckard, Gatlin (#0)
#11. To: SOSO (#1)
That's your boy. You must be so proud of him.
#12. To: cranky, A K A Stone, All (#0)
McCain spent years in a Viet Cong prison after the plane he was flying was shot down over Hanoi in October 1967.
McCain failed to follow instructions in combat. He did not try to evade the missile. Moreover, the pilots who were flying near him, one of them with a handheld camera, said he was not hit by a SAM. He had flown too low and was brought down by a barrage of antiaircraft fire. Since a SAM exploded in a bright orange fireball visible for miles around, it was unlikely that they had called it wrong. And since official navy records listed John McCain as downed by AAA fire, they were puzzled by why he later insisted in his political campaigns that it was a SAM.
He was tortured enough to produce permanent physical disabilities.
His war wounds left him with lifelong physical limitations.
McCain also made another error in the next four to six seconds after he was hit. He failed to use the proper procedure he had been taught for ejecting. As a result, he injured himself critically, breaking both arms and his right leg.
#13. To: A K A Stone (#5)
What do you disagree with?
#14. To: A K A Stone (#3)
Trump is right.
#15. To: Pericles, cranky, A.K. Stone, Deckard, Gatlin (#10)
McCain is...............not a war hero for being captured and I spit on his worthless Vietnam medals.
#16. To: cranky (#0)
#17. To: cranky (#0)
John McCain wasn't a war hero
#18. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone, SOSO (#14)
Naturally, if they now come on and admit that McCain is no war hero….then they will be admitting Trump is right.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#19. To: SOSO, A K A Stone (#13)
A guy that slings sh*t at those who served in Vietnam.
#20. To: SOSO (#15)
"Then you and Trump spit on every American that was captured in WWI, WWII, the Korean War and Vietnam."
#21. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, SOSO (#18)
However it seems somewhat hypocritical of him to throw stones from his glass house on this issue having never served in the military himself.
#22. To: cranky (#0)
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, the day's first candidate-speaker, wrapped up his time on stage in a Q&A with pollster Frank Luntz by asking if he could read aloud from a book.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#23. To: Gatlin (#21)
So, are you saying that no one that has ever been in the military can be truthful about McCain?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#24. To: cranky (#0)
Trump clarified: 'I have great respect for
all those who serve in our military
including those that weren’t captured
and are also heroes'
‹/rimshot›
#25. To: Gatlin, SOSO (#19)
#26. To: SOSO (#13)
A guy with the moral values...
Moral, ethical, virtuous, righteous, noble mean conforming to a standard of what is right and good. moral implies conformity to established sanctioned codes or accepted notions of right and wrong.
#27. To: Gatlin (#12)
McCain also made another error in the next four to six seconds after he was hit. He failed to use the proper procedure he had been taught for ejecting. As a result, he injured himself critically, breaking both arms and his right leg.
#28. To: Deckard (#23)
I'm saying that Trump would have more credibility if he himself had indeed served in the military.
#29. To: Gatlin (#26)
I want a person who speaks his mind in straight talk and makes decision on not what is PC, but what is best for America.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#30. To: Gatlin (#28)
(Edited)
Lindsey Graham served in the military, does he have more credibility with you?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#31. To: TooConservative (#27)
Apparently, his low standing in his graduating class was deserved.
It's always important to remember McStain was no ordinary recruit. He was military royalty, with bases named after his grandfather, John Sydney McCain and his father, John Sydney McCain II.
#32. To: Deckard (#30)
#33. To: Deckard (#29)
#34. To: Gatlin, Deckard, A K A Stone, cranky, nativist nationalist, misterwhite (#21)
So, are you saying that no one that has ever been in the military can be truthful about McCain? They can say nothing?
#35. To: misterwhite (#25)
SOSO must have been raised in the environment of "everyone's a winner" and "I'm special" and "it's OK as long as you tried".
#36. To: SOSO (#34)
#37. To: Gatlin (#26)
I for one am tired on career politicians who “conform to established sanctioned codes or accept notions others think are right and wrong.”
#38. To: cranky (#0)
[Donald Trump] blasted John McCain on stage in Iowa for calling his Phoenix audience 'crazies,' and denied he was a war hero because the North Vietnamese captured him.
#39. To: SOSO (#35)
"Look up McCain's story as a prisoner of war. Tell me that you would have 1/10th the balls and courage that he had to endure that torture when he was offered an easy way out by the enemy."
#40. To: buckeroo (#36)
Do you think I would vote for Trump whom just gives lip service? HELL no.
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