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Title: Trump creates outrage in Iowa claiming that John McCain wasn't a war hero because he was a captured POW – and dodges questions about his own Vietnam War draft deferments
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URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... all-half-field-stays-home.html
Published: Jul 18, 2015
Author: David Martosko, US Political Editor
Post Date: 2015-07-18 13:59:06 by cranky
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Donald Trump escalated his feud with Sen. John McCain on Saturady in Iowa by suggesting only his capture and five years as a prisoner of war turned him into a 'war hero.' 'He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,' Trump said on stage at the Family Leader Summit in Ames. McCain spent years in a Viet Cong prison after the plane he was flying was shot down over Hanoi in October 1967.He was tortured enough to produce permanent physical disabilities. Trump got student and medical deferments and never served in uniform. He told reporters after his speech that a bone spur in his foot led to the medical exemption from the draft. Asked which foot had disqualified him, he couldn't remember. 'You'll have to look it up,' Trump said dismissively. 'It's in the records.' Rick Perry, the former Texas governor who is running 10th in an average of national polls, immediately called for Trump to quit his presidential campaign. ANGRY: Trump attacked Sen. John McCain and said the only reason he is considered a war hero is his capture and imprisonment as a POW during the Vietnam War. NOT A HERO? Sen. John McCain spent more than five years in a North Vietnamese prison after his plane was shot down durign the Vietnam War WALKING WOUNDED: McCain's torture left him disfigured and permanently damaged 'I respect Sen. McCain because he volunteered to serve his country,' Perry said in a statement. 'I cannot say the same of Mr. Trump.' 'His comments have reached a new low in American politics. His attack on veterans make him unfit to be Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces, and he should immediately withdraw from the race for President.' Trump focued considerable rhetorical artillery on McCain Saturday, mocking his bona fides on military and veterans issues: 'He graduated last in his class at Annapolis,' he claimed. 'Well, second-to-last.' In a press conference following his speech, Trump backtracked a few inches about prisoners of war. 'If somebody's a prisoner, I would consider him a war hero,' he said. 'But her have lots of heroes who wersn't prisoners. The billionaire's tussle with McCain began after he drew a reported 15,000 people to a campaign event in Phoenix to talk about illegal immigration. McCain, a proponent of comprehensive immigration reform, called his audience 'crazies.' Trump responded that the GOP's 2008 presidential nominee was a 'dummy.' In an emailed statement to DailyMail.com, Trump said after his press conference: 'I am not a fan John McCain because he has done so little for our Veterans and he should know better than anybody what the Veterans need, especially in regards to the VA.' 'He was extremely disrespectful to the thousands upon thousands of people, many of whom happen to be his constituents, that came to listen to me speak about illegal immigration in Phoenix last week by calling them "crazies",' Trump carped. 'These were not "crazies" – these were great American citizens.' 'I have great respect for all those who serve in our military including those that weren’t captured and are also heroes,' he insisted. Republicans auditioned all day for Christian conservatives, parading their bona fides in the nations' first presidential primary state. But not everyone searching for votes showed up. The cattle-call brought nine of the Republican Party's 15 declared presidential candidates to a single stage, less than a day after Democrats did the same thing – with all five of their White House hopefuls – a two-hour drive to the east. The Christian-right sponsoring group, The Family Leader, attracted mostly the candidates from the conservative end of the GOP spectrum. Led by political kingmaker Bob Vander Plaats, the group wields outsize influence in the Hawkeye State whenever Republicans barnstorm through during the run-up to the quadrennial Iowa caucuses. The $10 billion man was otherwise a crowd favorite in Ames, Iowa, speaking about his religion before a group of Christian conservatives Donald Trump's childhood church was First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens, New York City. He said he was in church just last week Anti-abortion politics were visible in Ames, Iowa on July 18, 2015 at the Family Leader summit, a gathering of Republican presidential candidates hosted Missing in Ames was the Republican front-runner Jeb Bush, the sometimes-moderate New Jersey governor Chris Christie and the usually moderate former New York governor George Pataki. Nowhere to be found were senators Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Rand Paul of Kentucky. Paul's libertarian brand of Republicanism, makes some religious conservatives wary. Carly Fiorina, the GOP's only female While House contestant, also didn't make the trip. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, the day's first candidate-speaker, wrapped up his time on stage in a Q&A with pollster Frank Luntz by asking if he could read aloud from a book. 'It's a Bible,' he said, drawing wild cheers from the audience. He read from the Gospel of Luke, chapter 12, verse 48: 'From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded' – explaining it as a parable about America's global primacy and its obligations to keep its people, and the world, safe. Rubio blasted the Obama administration's recent nuclear bargain with Iran, calling it 'a complete sham.' He also castigated the president for sidestepping the role of Islam in global terror. 'It's not radical Presbyterian terrorism,' he said. 'It's radical Islamic terrorism. ... We have to target them militarily in their safe havens.' Abortion politics were visible both outside and inside the event venue in Ames, Iowa. Sign-wavers pointed to right-wing outrage over a surreptitious video that showed a Planned Parenthood medical doctor describing how she tailored her abortion procedures in order to preserve fetal body parts for human biologics companies. Outrage over an undercover video sting of Planned Parenthood brought anti-abortion Iowa Rep. Steve King kicked off the day with anger over 'that in-quotes "doctor"' whom he said was killing 'babies that could be viable outside the womb. It is sickening to watch.' Seizing on the political moment as a springboard for new laws tightening abortion restrictions, Knig said: 'This is our chance.' Also in evidence was a lingering resentment over this month's stunning Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex weddings nationwide. 'Marriage = 1 [man] and 1 [woman],' a projected image declared above the stage as the crowd filed in, using icons to represent male and female. 
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#103. To: SOSO (#76)
I don't see where it states what his medical deferment was for....do you? The important we need to find out if the deferment was valid....right? If it was not, then we can condemn him. On the other hand, if it was....then?
He couldn't remember which foot it was when just asked. Are you kidding? Because he couldn't immediately remember which foot it was....that makes him a liar? Are YOU kidding? There are many possible reasons he could not immediately remember....but of course you will never consider that, right?
Becuase it took a long time after the war for people to stop treating and thinking of the Vietnam Vet like a POS. I clearly remember those days and how many of my acquaintenances freely expresswed their deep disquest at these vets. It was and remains a national embrassment. Few of these vets were enlisted men, most were drafted. They answered the call. They deserved much better treatment when they returned home. Save for the ones that broke down and committed autrocitites of their own, in my mind they are all heroes. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Reason #1: He is a lying sack of sh*t. All other possible reasons are of considerably less probability. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Are YOU kidding? Not at all. I still remember my lottery number. In fact, Trump still remembers his. I guess that was more memorable than the medical condition that got him totally out of the draft. Riiiiiiiight....................................... потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I wish they'd bring him back as a military correspondent on Fox News. He's the kind of works based Catholic we need on the Supreme Court?
Boy; you RINO's are clueless. The reason folks here don't like McCain has everything to do with conduct in the US Senate. Your boy McCain worked hand in hand with his BFF Obama to arm the groups fighting the government of Syria, which proved indispensable to the rise of ISIS. Same thing in Libya. ISIS could never have reached the level of success they enjoy today with out the aid and comfort provided by your boy McCain. Your guy Jihad Johnny worked with Clinton to help establish an Islamic foothold in Kosovo. He lied about building "that danged fence." Jihad Johnny sides with the enemies of America. I really appreciate that Trump is driving you RINO bootlickers nuts. You guys have been stabbing America in the back, it is nice to see you guys suffer.
First, I am not a fan of McCain or many of his positions, so knock the stupid gratuitous attempts at a jab off. Second, I don't care if they like him or not. Third, I don't care why they may like him or why they may not. He served his country honorably during the Vietnam war and that's a whole lot more than anyone can say about Trump. The only people that Dollar Donald sides with are those that can line his pockets. And he doesn't care who they are, what they are, where they are from or even if they hate America. He'll sell America out faster than just about anyone if he can make money on the deal. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory and the Legacy of Vietnam is a 1998 book by sociologist Jerry Lembcke. The book argues that the common claim that American soldiers were spat upon and insulted by anti-war protesters upon returning home from the Vietnam War is an urban legend intended to discredit the anti-war movement.
The last thing In the world I want to hear is testimony from a sociologist. For the last 60 years I have met damned few sociologists who weren't socialists with a mission. The same is true of social psychologists. They seem inclined to revise and distort history to support the left.
BS; you're a big shill for the RINO establishment RNC types. Those A-hole have pissed all over rank and file voters for decades when it comes to illegal aliens and trade deals like NAFTA, WTO and Obamatrade. Before Trump ever made inroads with these voters you guys tossed their votes away. You guys think that peoples votes are some sort of entitlement program. You've got to earn votes, you don't get those votes by stabbing the same voters in the back.
Who does SOSO support?
From his posting history he seems to be most impressed by Hillary. I'm sure that if he cannot have Hillary, then Graham, Christy, Perry, Jeb or Rubio will give him 90% of what he expects to get from Hillary.
BS, he bombed civilian villages from 30,000 feet and got shot down. He has been an enemy to this country since. He's no hero. Trump is the bull in the china shop where the GOP is planning their gay wedding dinner. Who cares if he's legit, he's exposing our enemies. "There are plenty of other things to be concerned about. Terrorism - not so much." - Deckart
Troll much?
He's the kind of works based Catholic we need on the Supreme Court? Troll much? That's all he does....isn't it?
Are YOU kidding? Not at all. I still remember my lottery number. In fact, Trump still remembers his. I guess that was more memorable than the medical condition that got him totally out of the draft. Riiiiiiiight....................................... Some people just cannot sometimes instantly remember things in the heat of the moment. Let’s do a memory check on your hero, McCain: “I recognized the target sitting next to the small lake from the intelligence photographs I had studied,” John McCain recalled in Faith of My Fathers. “I dove in on it just as the tone went off signaling that a SAM was flying toward me. I knew I should roll out and fly evasive maneuvers. . .But I was just about to release my bombs when the tone sounded, and had I started jinking [maneuvering to evade the SAM] I would have never had the time nor, probably, the nerve to go back in once I had lost the SAM. So, at about 3,500 feet, I released my bombs, then pulled back the stick to begin a steep climb to a safer attitude. In the instant before my plane reacted, a SAM blew my right wing off. I was killed.” By his own admission, then, McCain failed to follow instructions in combat. He did not try to evade the missile. Moreover, the pilots who were flying near him, one of them with a handheld camera, said he was not hit by a SAM. He had flown too low and was brought down by a barrage of antiaircraft fire. Since a SAM exploded in a bright orange fireball visible for miles around, it was unlikely that they had called it wrong. And since official navy records listed John McCain as downed by AAA fire, they were puzzled by why he later insisted in his political campaigns that it was a SAM. As other pilots saw it, John McCain, quite simply, had got himself shot down. But McCain also made another error in the next four to six seconds after he was hit. He failed to use the proper procedure he had been taught for ejecting. As a result, he injured himself critically, breaking both arms and his right leg. McCain’s memory was not vivid enough for him to remember to follow his training and “break” when he should have. So, he admitted that he got his ass shot down. Then his memory failed again when he did not use proper ejection procedures and busted himself up. These “Rote Memory” procedures are embedded in your memory for instant recall. I know of one guy who scared the Hell out of his wife when he sat straight up in bed one night and screamed, “BREAK RIGHT, BREAK RIGHT” when having a bad dream. So, I guess that McCain’s loss of memory that got him shot down and severely injured during ejection is okay with you while you condemn Trump’s momentarily loss of memory. Riiiiiiiight.......................................? John McCain is no hero. John McCain simply did what he was trained to do....but sometimes forgot to do, when his memory failed him.
To be captured means to be a hero!
Not really. I just saw no reason to try to drag a heated exchange from another thread (about the USSC and Catholic justices appointed by GOP presidents) into a thread about Trump/McCain. Notice he flagged Vic to it as well. Where's the connection to this thread? Well, there isn't any.
Yeah, there's none. I just threw that in because Bob Dornan seems like an example of a good Catholic. There's a lot of Catholic bashing around here, but trolling might not be a good response. Sorry. Gatlin's evil couch Catholics
The press is not used to candidates hitting back hard. McCain called Trump's supporters "crazies". Trump was not going to let that stand, so he said that being a POW does not make one a "war hero". He's right. It's just that you're not supposed to say that. Fine. Then don't call Trump's supporters "crazies". Quite frankly, I want a guy like that as President. I think this country needs a guy like that as President.
Have you taken a close look at McCain’s moral values? I think not, let’s do so now. The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind. … to demonstrate his commitment to family values, the 71-year-old former US Navy pilot pays warm tribute to his beautiful blonde wife, Cindy, with whom he has four children. And you, SOSO, will condemn “a guy (Trump) with the moral values to call his future wife to the national press a great piece of ass” while you give a free pass to McCain on his “moral values” and call him a hero. Aren’t you being grossly hypocritical? It surely looks like you are.
"Works"...are not deeds. They're mitzvot under Torah. Specifically, works are: first fruits tithes, regular tithes, shekel head tax, making a grain or meat peace offering, making a grain our meat goodwill offering, having a libation poured out to the Lord; salting grain and incense; washing cups and plates and utensils; taking and keeping a Nazirite vow. Those are the "works" to which Paul referred, that are unavailing. They are thoroughly distinguishable from "acts" or "deeds", required by Jesus, the performance or non- performance of which are requisites for acceptability by God. You cannot gain salvation by paying a shekel to the Temple and sactificing a flock of lambs and ten thousand rivers of oil. Those are works under the law, mitzvot, and they do not avail you. On the other hand, if you have, and you ignore the naked, the beggar, the hungry and homeless, if you turn up your nose and refuse to help, and condemn, then you have failed to do the deeds that Jesus required, and you have done deeds that will get you damned. Jesus said that as you treated the least of these, you shall be treated. Martin Luther and his followers completely failed to understand the meaning of mitzvot/works, and taught the ridiculous idea that what you DO is a "work", and that what you DO doesn't matter because Paul (not Jesus, JUST Paul, in only one or two places) said that works are nothing. Well, sacrifices and oil and libation and Temple Tax really IS all nothing - the Temple is gone. But what you DO, your DEEDS, ALWAYS mattered, and always will. Jesus said so. John said so. James said so. Peter said so. And Paul said so too, throughout what he wrote. The sentence or two referring to mitzvot under the law applied to just precisely that, which Luther and his ilk didn't even understand. Jesus judges men on their DEEDS. He repeated that dozens of time. Even if Paul DID mean "deeds" when he wrote "works" (he did not - "works" are mitzvot under the law, and nothing else. Deeds are not works, unless they are codified by the Torah - only negative one are: don't kill, for example), then Paul must be disregarded, for he was a man, and a mere man cannot in two sentences override pages and pages of direct statements by God Incarnate. Deeds-based Christians are the only real Christians. Christians who say that what you do does not matter are illiterate, blind and stubborn fools. Jesus spoke about that sort.
Mr. Grinch and the Mouth of Sauron, together at last. What a picture.
With all due respect, Jesus judges mens' heart.
I think Vic is correct. Because if in your heart you are thinking of sinning but you don't. You haven't. I believe that it has to be an action not just a random thought that you don't act on.
Your boy McCain worked hand in hand with his BFF 0buma to arm the groups fighting the government of Syria, which proved indispensable to the rise of ISIS. Same thing in Libya. ISIS could never have reached the level of success they enjoy today with out the aid and comfort provided by your boy McCain. Your guy Jihad Johnny worked with Clinton to help establish an Islamic foothold in Kosovo. He lied about building "that danged fence." Jihad Johnny sides with the enemies of America. Spot ON. John McStain has demonstrated by deed AND word nothing but contempt and disdain for the American people as a Senator for decades. He has insulted and dishonored us, by word, by deed. He is unworthy of an iota of respect. It has taken the courage of a Donald Trump to shout it from the Mountain. I consider it a good start. I am sick of the expectation and demand by media and political sycophants that by virtue of royal title or past achievement or sacrifice, scoundrels and traitors like John McCain can NOT have a glove laid on them for the rest of their lives.
Being shot down doesn't make you a war hero. It means you're unlucky. If we want to say that every soldier who serves in wartime is a "hero"...well, hell, the society calls cops and firemen "heroes" just for being. It's just blah-blah. Benedict Arnold was a great general at one point. What he did later tainted that to the point that it doesn't matter. McCain hasn't sullied himself the way that Arnold did. McCain's military service was a long time ago. He went to Annapolis, but so did I. He flew for the navy off of aircraft carriers, in a war, but so did I, in two wars actually. He got shot down and bailed out. I flew helicopters, so had I been shot down there would have been no bailing out, just a quick fall and a very, very hard landing. He was shot down, which was unlucky. He was injured in the bail out, which was unlucky. The enemy did not treat him gently with his wounds. but treated him roughly, which meant that his wounds caused him immense pain. This is very unlucky, and does not show the enemy to have been very civilized. But consider: McCain and I went to Annapolis, flew planes off our carriers, were in wars. He was involved in the destruction of three aircraft - very unlucky. I never scratched the paint on one - and I had some emergencies. Therefore, I am more qualified to be President of the United States, and US Senator, than he is? Really? No, not really. Military service decades ago is irrelevant to qualification for any office. It looks good, and people feel that it's more important than it is. What matters is what you think, what you do, your heart, your honesty, your integrity. McCain was a bully who cheated on the wife that waited for him, treated her horribly, dumped her, and married a rich woman. So did Gingrich. Those aspects of character are important, because they go do honesty, and they go to how a person will really behave when he WANTS SOMETHING, badly. Will he break vows and abuse people to get what he wants? That is a much better measure of a man's character: the guy who puts down the drink and says "You're beautiful, but I've gotta go home" and who doesn't stick his dick in the hottie because he can and dump the wife and kids. That sort of character matters a whole lot more in terms of passing the moral test of Washington - where temptations abound - then the fact that you wore a spiffy uniform and flew airplanes in danger. We should recall that in his country, Hitler was a "medal of honor" winner - he won the Knights Cross in World War I, a rarity for an enlisted man. The fact that he was a war hero, certified and bemedalled, was of immense value to him politically as he rose: people glom onto military glory and praise it. That didn't work out so well. McCain had a less praiseworthy military career than I did, or than Hitler for that matter. Hitler won the Knight's Cross in World War I, a gruelling affair in which he was injured. McCain got a lesser award for surviving getting shot down in a rice paddy. Hitler was the greater military hero. Did that make for a good political leader? Not exactly. He got into Annapolis because he was an Admiral's son. I was nobody. He graduated second to last. I graduated with honors. He wrecked three aircraft. I didn't wreck any. We both flew in war, and I had more qualifications: I drove ships as well as flying aircraft, being "dual designated". You all know me from this board, and a great number of you really dislike me. If McCain's military service qualifies him to lead you, then mine qualifies me more. I know that's ridiculous. My service doesn't qualify me to do anything other than fly what are now old planes and helos, and drive old ships. McCain is the same. Being a Prisoner of War was really unlucky, and one can be happy he made it out. But I was at Ground Zero that day and made it out of something too. Does that qualify ME for leadership over you? No. And nothing McCain did in the military qualifies him to lead either. His raging temper, alcoholism, sense of entitlement, and adultery are all examples of the poor judgment and poor personal control in his life that are reflected in the poor judgment he brings to politics. My better judgment in personal life DOES make me more qualified to be President of the United States and US Senator than McCain. But I'm not vainglorious the way he is, and I didn't dump my first wife for a rich woman to enable a political life, like he did. And others. McCain's a jerk. That he flew planes once upon a time is a recormmendation for nothing. I did too. So what?
You say Jesus judge's men's hearts. And he does. But JESUS SAID he judges men by their deeds. He included deeds of the heart along with deeds done with the hands, but he did not EXCLUDE deeds done with the hands when he ADDED deeds done in the heart. This is the great error: to think that deeds done with the hands are "works" and they don't count. Every line of Jesus, and all but two lines of Paul, ought to tell everybody that's not true. If it were, the path to Salvation would be broad and easy, and gate wide. But it's not. Jesus said so.
Because if in your heart you are thinking of sinning but you don't. You haven't. Remember -- it's not what WE believe in our heart, but what God sees and knows what's in our heart. Our heart cannot lie to the Lord. I believe that it has to be an action not just a random thought that you don't act on. Even the mob and drug lords help build churches and provide "humanitarian" relief. Just sayin'.
That's a tricky riddle. Jesus also said, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die." Deeds and works had better be backed up by unselfish motives and love of Christ. Or else they are empty gestures. The "deeds" and works of Believers are compelled and inspired by the Holy Spirit within the hearts of Believers.
"Whoever gives just a cup of cold water to these shall have their reward." Jesus seems to be more generous with rewards than thou.
Excellent overview and perspective of John McCain, the pilot, the politician, the husband. His "qualifications," achievements, and his character are more than flawed unfortunately; He's been a narcissistic mental case.
Of course. He's God.
Good post, in fact it's an excellent post. I take exception to nothing and I can't add anything.
Take you head out of your ass and note that I am not even a registered REP. I change my registration to Independent years ago. I am disgusted with both parties as neither represent me or my family. Don't get you panties in a bunch becuase my BS radar is better than yours. You may delude yourself and worship at the alter of false Messiahs such as Trump but don't expect me to be an idiot too. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Well, when you put it that way, tnaks for admitting that you too are a jerk. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
For the last time, I am not a fan of McCain. But his military service demands more respect than your Dollar Donald and his band of pied piper morons deny. "I think not, let’s do so now. Her, let me fix this for you "I think not." Over and out. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You condemn Trump for his morals and yet you give McCain a pass on his. You are a hypocrite and McCain is no hero.
Who does SOSO support? First and foremost God and my family. As for the poltical scene, all the candidates, announced or pending, have flaws and weaknessess. At this point I haven't chosen a side other than I'd say it's pertty certain that it will not be the Drat candidate. I can't recall a national election in my lifetime in which I didn't have some serious misgivings about the person for whom I voted. I judge people for what they do not what they say. Except perhaps for Obmama there hasn't been a single elected politican that did what they promised, not even Reagan. Obama promised to rebuild America from the ground up. He has lived up to that promise. If you read anything about his life prior to running for national office he promised to find a way to implement reparations. For the most part he is well down that road to successfully achieving his goal. He told us all in plain language about his disdain for the role the U.S. has played in international affairs. And he told us how he would change that. He lived up to his promise. Need I go on? But We The People elected him...........TWICE. I never expect to find a perfect candidate on the ballot. However I admit that in far too many elections I held my nose when I voted. At this stage in my life I will not do that any more. If the choice comes down to a Turd Sandwhich or a Douche Bag or some Third Party Scumbag, each of which IMO has serious flaws or shortcomings, I probably will just stay home. The truth as I see it is that We The People always get what we want, which is manifest by what we do not what we say. We The People elected Clinton twice (neither time with the majority of popular votes), Obama twice, Nixon twice, Shrub twice. And how many Senators are serving their third or fourth term? Congressman their 8th, 9th or 10th? It is absurd to put so much trust and faith into any politician. They are all power hungry ego maniacs and control freaks looking out for Numero Uno. So you may continue to worship at the altar of the candiate of your choice. Just don't expect me to emualte your irrational action. There is only one Savior in my life and He is never on the ballot. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
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#104. To: SOSO (#102)
Therefore it is incumbent on you to prove his medical exemption was not a valid one. Do it!
#105. To: TooConservative (#92)
I do recall first hearing these stories in the early Eighties and I wondered at the time why we were only hearing about this supposed widespread spitting-on-troops so long after the war was ended and even the draft dodgers got pardoned.
#106. To: Gatlin (#104)
There are many possible reasons he could not immediately remember....but of course you will never consider that, right?
#107. To: Gatlin (#104)
Because he couldn't immediately remember which foot it was....that makes him a liar?
#108. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#93)
B-1 Bob Dornan
#109. To: SOSO (#35)
Look up McCain's story as a prisoner of war. Tell me that you would have 1/10th the balls and courage that he had to endure that torture when he was offered an easy way out by the enemy.
#110. To: nativist nationalist (#109)
Boy; you RINO's are clueless. The reason folks here don't like McCain has everything to do with conduct in the US Senate
#111. To: TooConservative, SOSO (#105)
I do recall first hearing these stories in the early Eighties and I wondered at the time why we were only hearing about this supposed widespread spitting-on- troops so long after the war was ended and even the draft dodgers got pardoned.
A 1971 Harris poll conducted for the Veterans Administration found over 90 percent of Vietnam veterans reporting a friendly homecoming. Far from spitting on veterans, the antiwar movement welcomed them into its ranks and thousands of veterans joined the opposition to the war.
#112. To: Gatlin (#111)
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The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory and the Legacy of Vietnam is a 1998 book by sociologist Jerry Lembcke.
#113. To: SOSO (#110)
First, I am not a fan of McCain or many of his positions, so knock the stupid gratuitous attempts at a jab off. Second, I don't care if they like him or not.
#114. To: nativist nationalist, SOSO (#113)
#115. To: A K A Stone (#114)
Who does SOSO support?
#116. To: SOSO (#110)
McCain a hero.
#117. To: hondo68 (#108)
He's the kind of works based Catholic we need on the Supreme Court?
#118. To: TooConservative, hondo68 (#117)
#119. To: SOSO (#107)
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Because he couldn't immediately remember which foot it was....that makes him a liar?
#120. To: cranky (#0)
#121. To: Gatlin, hondo68 (#118)
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That's all he does....isn't it?
#122. To: TooConservative, gatlin, tater (#121)
Where's the connection to this thread?
#123. To: A Pole (#120)
"To be captured means to be a hero!"
#124. To: SOSO, A K A Stone (#13)
What do you disagree with?
A guy with the moral values to call his future wife to the national press a great piece of ass.
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But here is another Mrs. McCain…she is McCain’s first wife, Carol, who was a famous beauty and a successful swimwear model when they married in 1965. She was the woman McCain dreamed of during his long incarceration and torture in Vietnam’s infamous ‘Hanoi Hilton’ prison and the woman who faithfully stayed at home looking after the children and waiting anxiously for news.
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But when McCain returned to America in 1973 to a fanfare of publicity and a handshake from Richard Nixon, he discovered his wife had been disfigured in a terrible car crash three years earlier.
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For nearly 30 years, Carol has maintained a dignified silence about the accident, McCain and their divorce. But last week at the bungalow where she now lives at Virginia Beach, a faded seaside resort 200 miles south of Washington, she told The Mail on Sunday how McCain divorced her in 1980 and married Cindy, 18 years his junior and the heir to an Arizona brewing fortune, just one month later.
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‘My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.’ Some of McCain’s acquaintances are less forgiving, however. They portray the politician as a self-centred womaniser who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to ‘play the field’. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons…. his new father-in-law, Jim Hensley, was a multi-millionaire who had impeccable political connections.
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Carol was told she may never walk again, but when doctors said they would try to get word to McCain about her injuries, she refused, insisting: ‘He’s got enough problems, I don’t want to tell him.’ H. Ross Perot, a billionaire Texas businessman, future presidential candidate and advocate of prisoners of war, paid for her medical care. When McCain…was released in March 1973, he told reporters he was overjoyed to see Carol again. But friends say privately he was ‘appalled’ by the change in her appearance. At first, though, he was kind, assuring her: ‘I don’t look so good myself. It’s fine.’
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‘I thought, of course, we would live happily ever after,’ says Carol. But as a war hero, McCain was moving in ever-more elevated circles. Through Ross Perot, he met Ronald Reagan, then Governor of California. A sympathetic Nancy Reagan took Carol under her wing. But already the McCains’ marriage had begun to fray. ‘John started carousing and running around with women,’ said Robert Timberg. McCain has acknowledged that he had girlfriends during this time, without going into details.
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He was also fiercely ambitious, but it was clear he would never become an admiral like his illustrious father and grandfather and his thoughts were turning to politics. In 1979 – while still married to Carol – he met Cindy at a cocktail party in Hawaii. Over the next six months he pursued her, flying around the country to see her. Then he began to push to end his marriage. Carol and her children were devastated.
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Meanwhile McCain moved to Arizona with his new bride immediately after their 1980 marriage. There, his new father-in-law gave him a job and introduced him to local businessmen and political powerbrokers who would smooth his passage to Washington via the House of Representatives and Senate.
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And yet despite his popularity as a politician, there are those who won’t forget his treatment of his first wife. Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans’ rights, said: ‘I have been following John McCain’s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is – deceit. ‘When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it. ‘Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better. ‘This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol.’
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Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics. ‘McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory,’ he said. ‘After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.’
#125. To: hondo68 (#108)
#126. To: hondo68 (#122)
#127. To: Vicomte13 (#125)
Jesus judges men on their DEEDS.
#128. To: Liberator (#127)
With all due respect, Jesus judges mens' heart.
#129. To: nativist nationalist (#109)
The reason folks here don't like McCain has everything to do with conduct in the US Senate.
#130. To: misterwhite (#123)
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#131. To: Liberator (#127)
#132. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#128)
I think Vic is correct.
#133. To: Vicomte13 (#131)
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You say Jesus judge's men's hearts. And he does. But JESUS SAID he judges men by their deeds.
#134. To: Liberator (#133)
#135. To: Vicomte13 (#130)
#136. To: Vicomte13 (#134)
Jesus seems to be more generous with rewards than thou.
#137. To: Vicomte13, misterwhite (#130)
#138. To: nativist nationalist (#113)
BS; you're a big shill for the RINO establishment RNC types.
#139. To: Vicomte13 (#130)
McCain's a jerk. That he flew planes once upon a time is a recormmendation for nothing. I did too. So what?
#140. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#124)
Have you taken a close look at McCain’s moral values?
#141. To: SOSO (#140)
#142. To: A K A Stone, nativist nationalist, All (#114)
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