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Title: Trump creates outrage in Iowa claiming that John McCain wasn't a war hero because he was a captured POW – and dodges questions about his own Vietnam War draft deferments
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URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... all-half-field-stays-home.html
Published: Jul 18, 2015
Author: David Martosko, US Political Editor
Post Date: 2015-07-18 13:59:06 by cranky
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Donald Trump escalated his feud with Sen. John McCain on Saturady in Iowa by suggesting only his capture and five years as a prisoner of war turned him into a 'war hero.' 'He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured,' Trump said on stage at the Family Leader Summit in Ames. McCain spent years in a Viet Cong prison after the plane he was flying was shot down over Hanoi in October 1967.He was tortured enough to produce permanent physical disabilities. Trump got student and medical deferments and never served in uniform. He told reporters after his speech that a bone spur in his foot led to the medical exemption from the draft. Asked which foot had disqualified him, he couldn't remember. 'You'll have to look it up,' Trump said dismissively. 'It's in the records.' Rick Perry, the former Texas governor who is running 10th in an average of national polls, immediately called for Trump to quit his presidential campaign. ANGRY: Trump attacked Sen. John McCain and said the only reason he is considered a war hero is his capture and imprisonment as a POW during the Vietnam War. NOT A HERO? Sen. John McCain spent more than five years in a North Vietnamese prison after his plane was shot down durign the Vietnam War WALKING WOUNDED: McCain's torture left him disfigured and permanently damaged 'I respect Sen. McCain because he volunteered to serve his country,' Perry said in a statement. 'I cannot say the same of Mr. Trump.' 'His comments have reached a new low in American politics. His attack on veterans make him unfit to be Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces, and he should immediately withdraw from the race for President.' Trump focued considerable rhetorical artillery on McCain Saturday, mocking his bona fides on military and veterans issues: 'He graduated last in his class at Annapolis,' he claimed. 'Well, second-to-last.' In a press conference following his speech, Trump backtracked a few inches about prisoners of war. 'If somebody's a prisoner, I would consider him a war hero,' he said. 'But her have lots of heroes who wersn't prisoners. The billionaire's tussle with McCain began after he drew a reported 15,000 people to a campaign event in Phoenix to talk about illegal immigration. McCain, a proponent of comprehensive immigration reform, called his audience 'crazies.' Trump responded that the GOP's 2008 presidential nominee was a 'dummy.' In an emailed statement to DailyMail.com, Trump said after his press conference: 'I am not a fan John McCain because he has done so little for our Veterans and he should know better than anybody what the Veterans need, especially in regards to the VA.' 'He was extremely disrespectful to the thousands upon thousands of people, many of whom happen to be his constituents, that came to listen to me speak about illegal immigration in Phoenix last week by calling them "crazies",' Trump carped. 'These were not "crazies" – these were great American citizens.' 'I have great respect for all those who serve in our military including those that weren’t captured and are also heroes,' he insisted. Republicans auditioned all day for Christian conservatives, parading their bona fides in the nations' first presidential primary state. But not everyone searching for votes showed up. The cattle-call brought nine of the Republican Party's 15 declared presidential candidates to a single stage, less than a day after Democrats did the same thing – with all five of their White House hopefuls – a two-hour drive to the east. The Christian-right sponsoring group, The Family Leader, attracted mostly the candidates from the conservative end of the GOP spectrum. Led by political kingmaker Bob Vander Plaats, the group wields outsize influence in the Hawkeye State whenever Republicans barnstorm through during the run-up to the quadrennial Iowa caucuses. The $10 billion man was otherwise a crowd favorite in Ames, Iowa, speaking about his religion before a group of Christian conservatives Donald Trump's childhood church was First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens, New York City. He said he was in church just last week Anti-abortion politics were visible in Ames, Iowa on July 18, 2015 at the Family Leader summit, a gathering of Republican presidential candidates hosted Missing in Ames was the Republican front-runner Jeb Bush, the sometimes-moderate New Jersey governor Chris Christie and the usually moderate former New York governor George Pataki. Nowhere to be found were senators Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Rand Paul of Kentucky. Paul's libertarian brand of Republicanism, makes some religious conservatives wary. Carly Fiorina, the GOP's only female While House contestant, also didn't make the trip. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, the day's first candidate-speaker, wrapped up his time on stage in a Q&A with pollster Frank Luntz by asking if he could read aloud from a book. 'It's a Bible,' he said, drawing wild cheers from the audience. He read from the Gospel of Luke, chapter 12, verse 48: 'From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded' – explaining it as a parable about America's global primacy and its obligations to keep its people, and the world, safe. Rubio blasted the Obama administration's recent nuclear bargain with Iran, calling it 'a complete sham.' He also castigated the president for sidestepping the role of Islam in global terror. 'It's not radical Presbyterian terrorism,' he said. 'It's radical Islamic terrorism. ... We have to target them militarily in their safe havens.' Abortion politics were visible both outside and inside the event venue in Ames, Iowa. Sign-wavers pointed to right-wing outrage over a surreptitious video that showed a Planned Parenthood medical doctor describing how she tailored her abortion procedures in order to preserve fetal body parts for human biologics companies. Outrage over an undercover video sting of Planned Parenthood brought anti-abortion Iowa Rep. Steve King kicked off the day with anger over 'that in-quotes "doctor"' whom he said was killing 'babies that could be viable outside the womb. It is sickening to watch.' Seizing on the political moment as a springboard for new laws tightening abortion restrictions, Knig said: 'This is our chance.' Also in evidence was a lingering resentment over this month's stunning Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex weddings nationwide. 'Marriage = 1 [man] and 1 [woman],' a projected image declared above the stage as the crowd filed in, using icons to represent male and female. 
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#39. To: SOSO (#35)
Balls, courage, bravery, patriotism ... all that and then some. But that doesn't make him a "war hero", and that's all Trump was saying.
Trump is a failure as a man on so many levels. What man would would say this about his wife Marla Maples: ""You know, it really doesn't matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass."" потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
HA! Rick WHO?? I call for an immediate end the illegal-loving mGOPe muppet and feckless Governor Guardasil's DOA campaign.
What color is that Kool Aid you are drinking? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Tell me that you would have 1/10th the balls and courage that he had to endure that torture when he was offered an easy way out by the enemy. We ALL have read different narratives of McCain as a POW -- many are NOT very favorable. He joined tens of thousands as a POW. He was treated better than most because his famous daddy made Johnny boy's ordeal better than most. Today is all that matters: John McStain is a filthy traitor.
I think we should return him to the Vietnamese. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Bush signed up for a fun-filled flying country club that catered to the Texas socially prominent and political elite. In signing up for it you were assured of easy duty with no chance of combat. He never completed the terms of service. He was never in the real military.
Then deal with today. Trump is way out of line for his comments. And it is quote revealing about him and those that are commenting on LF in his favor. Name one thing that Trump has done for his country that wasn't for the purpose of lining his pockets. BTW, what did Trump do in the war? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Are you f*cking kidding? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
And something said 25 years ago affects Trump's vision and leadership for America beyond that of YOUR GOPe muppet candidates HOW again?? Trump calls out the good ol' GOPe Boys Club for their usual collaboration, ineffectiveness, and coddling of 0buma/Democrats' leftist policies and agenda...and they are...defenselessness to offer any rebuttal. Heck -- McStain LOVES Hitlery. And what were his famous words about 0buma DURING his Presidential campaign?? McCain Booed For Calling 0buma A "Decent Man You Don't Have To Be Afraid Of"
No he's not. YOU are outta line for lecturing anybody on limitations of free speech and honesty during a campaign. THIS is why we're screwed -- EVERYBODY tip=toes around the truth: McStain is a traitor. Hitlery is a traitor. 0blabla is a traitor. Of course you find that line of plain truth outta line. Trump is telling it...LIKE IT IS. BTW, what did Trump do in the war? Irrelevant to which contrived bullsh*t war you're referring. Deal with today. Well...*I* am.
What have you done for your country that you refused money for? Coming here to annoy people like me for sport doesn't count.
It's always important to remember McStain was no ordinary recruit. He was military royalty, with bases named after his grandfather, John Sydney McCain and his father, John Sydney McCain II. Worth repeating.
He got off easy. He should have had his head chopped off for the defiant insult.
Unfortunately, I'm sure the rubes in the audience were completely taken in by this charlatan. What is it with politicians trying to use the bible as justification for more war and empire building? The guy is completely twisting Christ's words [and Bible] to push his own agenda. Good catch of Rubio's disingenuous pandering and using the Bible as a prop. The man is SICKENING. And yet another Open Borders/Pro-Amnesty candidate who believes he should be President. Haven't the last FOUR traitors infesting the 0val 0ffice been enough?
Obviously you believe that character doesn't matter. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I don't think they'd want him.
Annoying people like you is patriotism at its best. As far as what I have done for this country for no money or personal gain is a hell of a lot more than Trump. I have never bribed public officials for personal gain. I have never walked away from my debts leaving others to pay for them. Just to name a couple of things. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
BS. No-one is ever out of line when telling the Emperor that he has no clothes or pointing out the hypocrisy of the kettle calling the pot black. And you must be truly delusional to put the words honesty and campaign in the same sentence. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
And Trunp contributes money the the Billaries, Rahm Emanuel and other Drats. ANd he is defenseless in justifying his largess. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I ask you what you have done and you reply by telling me what you never have done. Brilliant!
In other words living one's life as a honest person that does not cheat or otherwise corrupt the government, does not walk away from his bills to leave others to pay (including what is owed to the government) in you world is not affrimated actions. Wow, how revealing of your personal sense of morality.
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Not really, but McCain is a civilian bombing war criminal and his medals are spit worthy to me.
Then you and Trump spit on every American that was captured in WWI, WWII, the Korean War and Vietnam. Not really, but McCain is a civilian bombing war criminal and his medals are spit worthy to me. So you spit on every American pilot in WWI, WWII, the Korean War and Vietnam War that dropped bombs that hit civilian. And every American gunner that hit a civilian facility. Okey dokey, Lance. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Wow, now I recognize where I met you before. You were the guy that was spitting on the Vietnam veterans as they returned home and calling them baby killers. You haven't changed a bit.
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Heh... That crowd was close to tar and feathering the Stainmeister. Funny how no one remembers McCain's infamous loving words of 0buma -- that "he is a decent man/ You don't have to be afraid of." He's been a petty tyrant that EVERYONE has feared as though he were Hitler... THANKS, McSTAIN. THANKS, GOPe.
Wait -- so the definition of "character" can be erased by statements like "my hot wife" from 25 years ago? Trump didn't exactly say, "my b*tch is fine." Speaking of character, are you actually familiar with all the candidates??
Don't forget the stupid voters.
Are you f*cking kidding? Not a bit. Sonny did eventually receive some perks. That said, McStain was treated the way he treats members of the Tea Party. Like sh*t.
They had TWO choices in the end: 0blabla OR McStain. McStain's voters chose....Palin. What's stupid is accepting as the only options yet another Bush, this lineup of establishment Republican muppets, OR Hitlery.
We can't change the past system where corporations hedge their bet and donate to every side and political candidate. Do you support the illegal invasion, Sanctuary Cities, and Amnesty OR, a solution/reduction to the problem? If so, which of your preferred candidates earnestly supports this position?
But...but...what about Bubba Clinton and his shrewish wife, Hitlery? Aren't they two of your socialist heroes? Heck -- Hitlery was even fired upon disembarking from her 'Cankles I' jet in Bosnia? Or was it Muzzie-controlled Kosovo?
"There are plenty of other things to be concerned about. Terrorism - not so much." - Deckart
So McCains selling out to the highest bidder doesn't bother you Rick?? Now why doesn't that surprise me, what a panoche!! “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Like so many others, rich and poor, Trump received student deferments while in college. I have no problem with anyone receiving a student deferment while in college. Do you, and if so….then why? October 1968, he was declared medically unfit to serve except "in time of national emergency," even though he had been declared fit to serve in 1966. The documents do not specify the reasons Trump was given a medical deferment. I find nowhere the specificity for his medical deferment. Have you, and If so….then please post the link for me so I can form an opinion as to the legitimacy of the action. BTW, I know what he said….but I don’t know the severity? I don’t know your definition of a “BS arm chair patriot.” However I do know the definition of a “patriot.” A patriot is defined as “a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.” I spent 24-years on continuous activity in the U.S. Air Force where I “vigorously supported our country and was always prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors” with my life….I am still prepared to do so, if necessary. Therefore, I consider myself a true patriot. How can you consider me a “BS arm chair patriot” solely because I support Trump? Also, why do you feel it is necessary to resort to attacking me personally….instead of debating the subject under discussion? I am sincerely interested in your answers.
If you think that Trump would actually do anything about these things if somehow he managed to P.T. Barnum his way into the WH you are truly delusional. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I will challenge the story and I will tell you why. I had friends who were shot down over Nam. Some were picked up by the “Jolly Green Giant.” One was shot while evading, as witnessed by the air cover. One was in Laos for a number of years and was almost missed in the repatriation. Another one was shot down over Hanoi ended up in the Hanoi Hilton. There but the Grace of God…. So, I will call not of their actions “heroic.” I simply say “there were doing their job. I have no doubt that each and every one of those individuals would say the same thing, if asked. Back to McCain, the “war hero who was tortured” - Two former POWs, Air Force Colonels Ted Guy (awarded the CMH) and Gordon “Swede” Larson, told the Phoenix New Times in 1999 that they doubted McCain was tortured or harmed while a prisoner. Both Guy and Larson were senior ranking officers in McCain’s POW camp at a time he claims he was in solitary confinement and being tortured. “Between the two of us, it’s our belief, and to the best of our knowledge, that no prisoner was beaten or harmed physically in (the Plantation),” Larson stated. “My only contention with the McCain deal is that while he was at the Plantation, he was not physically abused in any way. No one was in that camp.” 1
Can you possibly be more dishonest? He got way more than a deferment he eventually got a medical pass. You say you couldn't find anything about Trump's dferment and draft history. Really? I found this in less than 10 seconds of a google search. "By the time his number (356) was drawn during the December 1, 1969 draft lottery, Trump had already received four student deferments and a medical deferment, according to military records on file with the National Archives and Records Administration. An extract of Trump’s Selective Classification record, seen here, was provided in response to a TSG records request. In fact, the December 1969 draft lottery occurred about 18 months after Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania, where he studied business at the Wharton School. So, while claiming that he would “never forget” being at Wharton watching the draft numbers being drawn, the 64-year-old Trump seems to have misremembered, as candidates are fond of saying. Trump obtained his first two Class 2-S student deferments in June 1964 and December 1965, when he was student at Fordham University in the Bronx. He was briefly reclassified as 1-A--or "available for military service"--in late- November 1966, but that classification was switched back to 2-S three weeks later. Another 2-S deferment is dated January 16, 1968, just months before his graduation from UPenn (to which he transferred following his sophomore year at Fordham). Following his UPenn graduation, Trump--no longer qualified for a 2-S deferment-- was again briefly classified as available for service on July 9. However, three months later, on October 15, his classification was switched to 1-Y, which was given to men deemed qualified for military service “only in time of national emergency.” The 1-Y classification came a month after Trump underwent an “Armed Forces Physical Examination,” according to Selective Service records, which note the results of the exam as “DISQ.” While the military records do not further detail why Trump was granted the 1-Y deferment, a 1992 biography of the businessman by journalist Wayne Barrett reported that Trump received a medical deferment following the September 17, 1968 exam. Trump’s 1-Y classification stayed in effect until February 1, 1972 when it was changed to a 4-F classification (which covered registrants not qualified for military service). The change in classification was likely prompted by the military’s December 1971 decision to abolish the 1-Y classification." You say that you have no problem with anyone receiving a student deferment while in college and asked if I did. I didn't, even if someone became a career student to avoid being drafted. I had a deferement for my undergraduate engineering degree then a critical skills deferment until the lottery system was instituted. I didn't have the money to continue on as a full time graduate student though I did get my MS degree while being fully employed going to school at nights. I was fully eligible for the draft for about three years after the critical skill deferments were ended. "Look up McCain's story as a prisoner of war. Tell me that you would have 1/10th the balls and courage that he had to endure that torture when he was offered an easy way out by the enemy."
#40. To: buckeroo (#36)
Do you think I would vote for Trump whom just gives lip service? HELL no.
#41. To: cranky (#0)
Rick Perry, the former Texas governor who is running 10th in an average of national polls, immediately called for Trump to quit his presidential campaign.
#42. To: misterwhite (#39)
But that doesn't make him a "war hero", and that's all Trump was saying.
#43. To: SOSO, misterwhite (#35)
Look up McCain's story as a prisoner of war.
#44. To: Liberator (#43)
Today is all that matters: John McStain is a filthy traitor.
#45. To: buckeroo (#36)
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Even GW Bush stepped forward to join the national guard
#46. To: Liberator (#43)
Today is all that matters: .....................................
#47. To: Liberator (#43)
He was treated better than most because his famous daddy made Johnny boy's ordeal better than most.
#48. To: SOSO, ALL (#40)
(Edited)
Trump is a failure as a man on so many levels. What man would would say this about his wife Marla Maples: ""You know, it really doesn't matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass.""
"I have to tell you, I have to tell you, he [0buma] is a decent family man, and a person that you do not have to be scared as President of the United States."
~ John McCain
#49. To: SOSO (#46)
Trump is way out of line for his comments.
#50. To: SOSO (#46)
Name one thing that Trump has done for his country that wasn't for the purpose of lining his pockets.
#51. To: TooConservative (#27)
Apparently, his low standing in his graduating class was deserved.
#52. To: Liberator (#48)
McCain Booed For Calling 0buma A "Decent Man You Don't Have To Be Afraid Of"
#53. To: Deckard (#22)
[Rubio], you pandering gasbag.
#54. To: Liberator (#48)
And something said 25 years ago affects Trump's vision and leadership for America beyond that of YOUR GOPe muppet candidates HOW again??
#55. To: GrandIsland (#44)
I think we should return him to the Vietnamese.
#56. To: rlk (#50)
Coming here to annoy people like me for sport doesn't count.
#57. To: Liberator (#49)
YOU are outta line for lecturing anybody on limitations of free speech and honesty during a campaign.
#58. To: Liberator, All (#48)
Trump calls out the good ol' GOPe Boys Club for their usual collaboration, ineffectiveness, and coddling of 0buma/Democrats' leftist policies and agenda...and they are...defenselessness to offer any rebuttal.
#59. To: SOSO (#56)
I have never bribed public officials for personal gain. I have never walked away from my debts leaving others to pay for them. Just to name a couple of things.
#60. To: rlk (#59)
#61. To: SOSO (#15)
Then you and Trump spit on every American that was captured in WWI, WWII, the Korean War and Vietnam.
#62. To: Pericles (#61)
#63. To: Pericles (#61)
#64. To: rlk (#52)
He got off easy. He should have had his head chopped off for the defiant insult.
#65. To: SOSO (#54)
Obviously you believe that character doesn't matter.
#66. To: Liberator (#64)
THANKS, McSTAIN. THANKS, GOPe.
#67. To: SOSO (#47)
(He was treated better than most because his famous daddy made Johnny boy's ordeal better than most.)
#68. To: buckeroo (#66)
Don't forget the stupid voters.
#69. To: SOSO (#58)
And Trunp contributes money the the Billaries, Rahm Emanuel and other Drats. ANd he is defenseless in justifying his largess.
#70. To: Pericles (#61)
McCain is a civilian bombing war criminal
#71. To: SOSO, McCain is no hero (#63)
#72. To: cranky (#0)
'I respect Sen. McCain because he volunteered to serve his country,' Perry said in a statement. 'I cannot say the same of Mr. Trump.'
#73. To: SOSO, Deckard, A K A Stone, cranky, nativist nationalist, misterwhite (#34)
When someone like Trump finds a winky, winky BS rich guy way to evade the draft…
According to his Selective Service records, first obtained by the website The Smoking Gun through a Freedom of Information Act request, Trump received four student deferments between 1964 and 1968 while in college and an additional medical deferment after graduating.
You BS arm chair patriots make me puke when you pull crap like this.
#74. To: Liberator (#69)
Do you support the illegal invasion, Sanctuary Cities, and Amnesty OR, a solution/reduction to the problem?
#75. To: SOSO, Deckard, A K A Stone, cranky, nativist nationalist, misterwhite (#34)
The story, whihc no-one has challenged is that McCain was badly wounded from ejecting from his plane when shot down, his captors refused to treat his injuries, beating and interrogating him to get information. He was then given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral. He almost assuredly could have recieved preferential treatment had he cooperated with the enemy but he didn't. In fact he spent the last couple of years in captivity in solitary confinement. I don't know about you but I'd called that herpic.
As a POW, willingly provided so much intelligence – admittedly, bits of it false – and co-operated so extensively with the North Vietnamese in exchange for favorable treatment over a three-year period that his fellow prisoners at the Hanoi Hilton gave him the derisive nickname “Songbird.” In propaganda aimed at the US, the North Vietnamese even used his nickname in a news release about McCain, not understanding it was an insult given him by prisoners who were disgusted by his behavior.
#76. To: Gatlin, Deckard, A K A Stone, cranky, nativist nationalist, misterwhite (#73)
Like so many others, rich and poor, Trump received student deferments while in college. I have no problem with anyone receiving a student deferment while in college. Do you, and if so….then why?
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#77. To: SOSO, Pericles (#63)
Considered an urban legend. No one can ever cite a single instance, find any victims or witnesses to spitting on the Vietnam vets. Do you know of any documented cases? Wiki: The Spitting Image, documentary You were the guy that was spitting on the Vietnam veterans as they returned home and calling them baby killers. You haven't changed a bit.
#78. To: Gatlin (#75)
Of course they wouldn't but I certainly would. So, I will call not of their actions “heroic.” I simply say “there were doing their job. I have no doubt that each and every one of those individuals would say the same thing, if asked.
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#79. To: Liberator (#65)
You might recall the story about McStain, after the 2008 election, when his wife Cindy was offered a chance to appear on Dancing With The Stars (being so pretty) and he started screaming at her and calling her a cunt. In public, in front of his staff. Classy guy. Trump didn't exactly say, "my b*tch is fine."
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