politics and politicians
See other politics and politicians Articles
Title: McCain: Trump really fired up “the crazies” in Arizona with his immigration talk
Source:
HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/ ... ona-with-his-immigration-talk/
Published: Jul 16, 2015
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2015-07-16 13:31:16 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 2120
Comments: 12
To think, there are conservatives out there in America today who are convinced their party’s elder statesmen view them with contempt. Normally I’d assume McCain’s grouchy because Trump’s rise is another setback for his dream of a new legislative amnesty but this probably has more to do with petty electoral concerns. His boy Lindsey Graham is at risk of being bumped off the presidential debate stage by Trump and McCain himself could face a tougher than expected primary challenge in Arizona if Trumpmentum spills over and galvanizes an “oust Maverick” surge on the right there. In fact, if Trump wants to earn a little goodwill from some of his conservative critics, he should promise to campaign against McCain in the primary next year, replete with donations to his challenger. There’s no better way to prove you’re anti-establishment than by targeting ol’ Mav for political destruction. And if McCain’s counting on the fact of Trump’s unpopularity to help him out, he should reconsider: At least among Republicans, that unpopularity is no longer a fact. Trump’s gone from being viewed unfavorably by 65 percent of GOPers two months ago to being viewed favorably by 57 percent today. He has a big-name fan too in former Gov. Jan Brewer, who applauded Trump last week for “telling it like it really, truly is” on immigration. All he needs to do is stay engaged with this issue and Republican politics for the next nine months or so. Which means … yeah, McCain’s probably at no risk. A better politician than Maverick would pause to reflect that “the crazies” could guarantee Democratic victory next year if they’re disaffected and that, rather than insult them, GOP chieftains might want to co-opt some of their concerns about immigration. Jonathan Last sees Trump as potentially another Perot if things don’t change: Republican strategists (and their candidates) ought to understand that Republican voters care a lot about immigration. And yet, the attitude of the GOP establishment towards these folks seems to be, as Mickey Kaus jokes, they just “cling to their rage about immigration because they can’t get what they really want: Low capital gains taxes.”… But the coalition that is supporting him right now could be adopted by a better politician. And if it isn’t, the 2016 math gets pretty bleak. What we need, says Last, is a candidate who’s broadly in favor of immigration yet candid about the fact that it comes with costs to the rule of law, to public safety, and of course to wages. Every Republican in the field would acknowledge that if pressed, but the only ones who seem remotely eager to discuss it are Cruz and Scott Walker and Walker may well clam up the moment the nomination’s secure. The core problem with Trump’s candidacy for Republican leaders is that, by consolidating a subset of the right around strong borders, he’s raising the cost of the party’s inevitable pander to amnesty fans in hopes of winning a greater share of the Latino vote. That was supposed to be a relatively low-cost transaction for the GOP: The nominee, be it Bush or Rubio or whoever, would check the requisite boxes about opposing sanctuary cities and jailing criminal aliens in the primaries and then shift instantly to hosannas about the economic and cultural dynamism of immigration in the general. By building a fan base on the right and positioning himself as a potential Perot figure, Trump makes that much harder. Winning elections requires selling out the Republican base. Doesn’t Trump understand that? McCain does. I nearly choked on my coffee this morning reading this passage from the New Yorker piece quoted above: This guy is mocking other Republicans for twisting in the wind on immigration? What? Poster Comment: If Trump was smart, he'd set up a PAC and fund a challenger to the Stain for $20-$30 million 
If there are any votes left among tea-party border hawks that haven’t already migrated (temporarily) to Trump, this ought to shake them loose. “It’s very bad,” McCain, who was eager to talk about Trump, told me on Monday when I stopped by his Senate office. The Senator is up for reëlection in 2016 and he pays close attention to how the issue of immigration is playing in his state. He was particularly rankled by Trump’s rally. “This performance with our friend out in Phoenix is very hurtful to me,” McCain said. “Because what he did was he fired up the crazies.”…
“We’ll see how this plays out, but there is some anger in my state,” McCain said. He mentioned the continuing challenges of border security that were vividly highlighted when tens of thousands of Central American minors crossed into America last summer. “People who otherwise might be more centrist are angry about this border situation.”Donald Trump–the Donald Trump–holds in his hands something like veto power over the Republican quest to win the White House. Sit with that for a moment…
Donald Trump has the special kind of invulnerability that comes when you mix money with the incapacity for either reflection or shame. As such, he can’t be beaten or cowed. McCain, who had a testy relationship with Senator Marco Rubio, another member of the Gang of Eight who is running for President, couldn’t resist adding, “Rubio backed away from it.”
I noted that Rubio, like many other Republican politicians, has been hard to follow on the issue and no longer supports the compromise approach that the Gang of Eight took in 2013: combining a pathway to citizenship and tough new border measures in a single bill. McCain licked his finger, held it up in the air, and laughed.
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
#1. To: TooConservative (#0)
The requirements of the US government are written in law. Apparently McCain believes it is all about politics.
Law IS politics. It's a record of the opinions of the victors.
That's the point. With laws on the books that are not enforced, the US government has defied its postion of governance for the People. The US government has chosen to usurp its duties awaiting new legislation that may never happen. Washington DC has phucked upped America.
America was fucked up from the beginning, because it was made by men, and men do evil. It is our job, as men, to recognize the evil that is inherent in us, and the evil intrinsic to what we make, and refine what we do to get the evil out of it.
Are you suggesting towards some kinda "good?"
Yep. I'm suggesting we not be evil. That we admit our evil and stop it. That good men band together and clean out the stables of our lives, forgive each other for the crimes and sins we've committed in the past, and help each other. I'm suggesting in politics that we stop compromising with these evil Democrats and Republicans and go our own, third way, that is not evil. That's what I'm suggesting. I'm saying, not suggesting, that sticking with Republicans (or Democrats), GUARANTEES evil, because the intrinsic things they desire and push are evil. That's what I am saying. I'm saying join me to move forward and make something new. If you want, you can lead. I care about moving to the light, not about being in charge of anything.
Wait a minue there, pardner! You have to carefully define "evil" and "good"; so far in all of mankind's history no one has performed the task with any permanenance. Are you leading our new lexicon?
And there it is. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
What he means, ... but able to sell his advocacy of immigration reform, a meaningless term absent definition of the intended reform. It's intended as a meaningless term to which each recipient can give his own meaning, even when those meanings are polar opposites. Trump is putting the GOP cookie cutter politicos on the spot to state what they really support. The Republican base has come to realize that the party has sold out that base in election after election. Trump understands that. Trump is reinforcing the idea that the party PTB intend to do it again.
If you would like me too I can. But it would not be a new lexicon. It would be restoring precise original meaning to the old...sort of like the originalists do with the Constitution, in order to bind the present.
No one, anywhere, has defined "evil" and "good" with any clarity other than "evil" takes or subdues life and "good" gives or benefits life. Top that definition without a lot mumble-jumble. I betcha cant.
Apparently McCain is one of the crazies because he's all fired up over Trump's talk.
#2. To: buckeroo (#1)
(Edited)
The requirements of the US government are written in law. Apparently McCain believes it is all about politics.
#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)
#4. To: buckeroo (#3)
Washington DC has phucked upped America.
#5. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
It is our job, as men, to recognize the evil that is inherent in us, and the evil intrinsic to what we make, and refine what we do to get the evil out of it.
#6. To: buckeroo (#5)
Are you suggesting towards some kinda "good?"
#7. To: Vicomte13 (#6)
#8. To: TooConservative, *Hypocrisy and Hypocrites* (#0)
Winning elections requires selling out the Republican base.
#9. To: TooConservative (#0)
What we need, says Last, is a candidate who’s broadly in favor of immigration....
What we need, says Last, is a candidate who’s broadly in favor of illegal immigration....
Winning elections requires selling out the Republican base. Doesn’t Trump understand that?
#10. To: buckeroo (#7)
Are you leading our new lexicon?
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
If you would like me too I can.
#12. To: TooConservative (#0)
McCain: Trump really fired up “the crazies” in Arizona with his immigration talk
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
[Home] [Headlines] [Latest Articles] [Latest Comments] [Post] [Mail] [Sign-in] [Setup] [Help] [Register]