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Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: Failure Theater: Republicans, Having Already Approved Obama's Iran Sell-Out, Now Hope to Capitalize Electorally at Next Year's Elections Source: Ace Of Spades URL Source: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=357890 Published: Jul 15, 2015 Author: —Ace Post Date: 2015-07-15 22:55:03 by Tooconservative Keywords: None Views: 1993 Comments: 57 Via Hot Air, noting Obama is due to welcome Iran into the nuclear club at a presser scheduled for 1pm, also notes they are, as usual, plotting to "win the issue" at the ballot box after deliberately losing the issue in the Congressional roll call: Republicans believe they will win the public relations battle on the deal, which largely unites the GOP and threatens to divide the Democratic Party. Some Senate Republicans are thinking about moving a motion of approval of the deal, believing it would put Democrats in a tough spot ahead of next year’s elections. Such a move in the upper chamber could lead to less than half of the Senate backing the president, allowing for more favorable headlines for the GOP. The House, however, is more likely to pass a resolution of disapproval. A third option is to move legislation sponsored by Menendez and Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) placing new sanctions on Iran, which the Banking Committee passed earlier this year and has Democratic support. "All options are on the table," said a Republican member of the Senate Foreign Relations panel who requested anonymity. "I wouldn’t take anything off." Republicans will likely use the Iran votes as ammunition on the campaign trail in 2016. Oh I see -- after voting in favor of letting Obama do this, and making it US law, you're now going to run on a campaign of "isn't it horrible what Obama and the Democrats have done here." Go fuck yourselves to hell. You will pass from the earth, and no one will mourn your passing. . . . Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: TooConservative (#0) " Failure Theater " That would pretty much describe all of the Republicans, and Democrats! Si vis pacem, para bellum Stoner  posted on  2015-07-15   23:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#0) Repubic leadership in Congress surrendered their constitutional authority under Article II, Section 2, Clause 2. That's why the emperor can boast about a veto if "Congress" votes the 'treaty 'down (the House of Reps should have no say) . Not mentioned in the deal is that the Iranians are still holding at least 4 US hostages . Not mentioned is the Iranians being the lead state sponsor of terrorism. Not mentioned is the lack of accounting for the lion's share of US deaths in Iraq directly caused by Iranian providing road side explosive devises to our enemies in Iraq. Not mentioned is that there is very little inspection power to verify compliance. Iran certainly got everything they wanted in the deal . The emperor and his flunkies are all over the news saying this was the best deal they could get and the alternative was war . They say this eases tensions in the region. But the only tensions eased are the ones that the Iranians created with their violence and their threats of violence. The Iranians have backed up their threat of violence and their will to use it . Refusing to use violence against the 12ers and their terrorist regime is the one red line the emperor stands by. Go figure . The emperor gets his "legacy " ;a rapprochement with Iran .I still predict he will try some Nixonian visit to Tehran before the end of the term so he can bow to Grand Ayatollah Ali Hosseini Khamenei in person. Here is the legacy he gets from this deal.......,an Iranian nuke in the most volitile region of the world .....the end of any non-proliferation efforts worldwide ....a nuclear arms race in the Middle East ....the end of any US influence in one of the most important regions of the world ....throwing our most reliable ally in the region under the bus and aligning ourselves with a Persian empire that we help create ....throwing our soldiers under the bus who were killed ,wounded and maimed by Iranians and their surrogates going back 30 years .....leaving American hostages behind . Within a decade or 2 the Iranian nuke will be on ICBM warheads . The safeguards he outlined are a joke . For sanctions to return ,a committee that includes Iranian reps will have to approve them . For the Iranian efforts at stalling and digging in their heals ,they are being rewarded with $150 billion ;which if it were in proportion to the US economy would be an $8 trillion infusion into their economy . They won't be using that money to improve the lives of their citizens . What money doesn't line the pockets of the Mullah's will be used by them to continue to export their Iranian Revolution. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-07-16   7:19:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: tomder55 (#2) Repubic leadership in Congress surrendered their constitutional authority under Article II, Section 2, Clause 2. That's why the emperor can boast about a veto if "Congress" votes the 'treaty 'down (the House of Reps should have no say) . Actually, they can't surrender their authority. You are right that the House should be excluded entirely. This is not a treaty like Trans-Pacific Partnership in which the Senate agrees that a treaty, once adopted, will supersede existing U.S. law. A very serious matter, in many ways as dangerous as a constitutional convention. The Iranian deal is strictly an executive diplomatic agreement between Obama and Iran. It is not a treaty. So Obama doesn't have to pay attention to anything the Congress does anyway. Even if he can't get 1/3 of either house of Congress, he can still proceed. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   8:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#3) The Iranian deal is strictly an executive diplomatic agreement between Obama and Iran. It is not a treaty. Cool ,then the agreement can be terminated by the next Congress with a Republican President ;as the 47 Senator letter to the 12ers states. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-07-16   8:34:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: tomder55, liberator, TooConservative, CZ82 (#2) The emperor and his flunkies are all over the news saying this was the best deal they could get and the alternative was war . They say this eases tensions in the region. Sound familiar? On another point...As you mention it is the US Senate with the power to ratify a treaty. However, looming out there are the sanctions the HR help craft. So this is linked...Will the House vote to lift sanctions? FYI: tomder55 lived in Iran for a short time before the overthrow of the Shah. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17 redleghunter  posted on  2015-07-16   12:34:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: tomder55 (#4) Cool ,then the agreement can be terminated by the next Congress with a Republican President ;as the 47 Senator letter to the 12ers states. Yes. But these things are so hard to negotiate, especially with a country like Iran, that no future president would declare it null and void without thinking long and hard about it. Which is why the vast majority of executive diplomatic agreements like this one generally prevail when new presidents come into office. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   12:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: redleghunter (#5) On another point...As you mention it is the US Senate with the power to ratify a treaty. However, looming out there are the sanctions the HR help craft. So this is linked...Will the House vote to lift sanctions? They already have. The rotten deal crafted by Corker. Meanwhile, it is a little confusing because both House and Senate are trying to prepare even stiffer sanctions on Iran. However, by the Corker deal, Obama can go through the U.N. and cancel all the sanctions along with the EU/Russia/China. In theory, under the Corker deal, if 2/3 of both houses unite to override a veto from Obama, they could stop it. But Obama will be able to hold that many votes easily. Only the Dems up for re-election and wanting AIPAC money will waffle much. In the Senate, that would be 15 of the 45 Dem senators but some of them up for election in 2016 are from very safe Dem states so Obama will have no problem sustaining Kerry's rotten deal with Iran. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   12:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: redleghunter, liberator, TooConservative, CZ82 (#5) FYI: tomder55 lived in Iran for a short time before the overthrow of the Shah. The Iranians I met were the ones who's children were on the streets in 2009 begging the emperor to support their 'Green' Revolution. The Iranians I met were freedom loving people . I understand that the movement has been forced under ground . I had hoped that eventually ;with external pressure applied ,the pendulum would swing in favor of regime change. Now we are cementing the 12er's control on the nation ,and supporting the eventual nuclear capable empire,who's goal is exporting a revolution based on one of the most extremist Islamist ideologies...... to creating the chaos necessary for the 12th Imam the Madhi ;who fell in a well,to emerge and usher in Armageddon. A couple nukes will come in handy . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-07-16   14:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: tomder55 (#8) The Saudis have all but announced their own nuke program. Expect Turkey and Egypt to follow. Letting Iran go nuclear means the whole region will go nuclear. We're making a terrible mistake. We should have doubled or triple sanctions on Iran. They were teetering on collapse economically and we let up when they were desperate. We should have forced them to choose between nukes and NKorea-style economic isolation. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   15:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: TooConservative (#0) "Go fuck yourselves to hell." What would you have the Republicans do -- write Obama a stern letter? They need to stay as far away from this deal as possible. Campaign against it and vow to repeal it. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-16   18:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: TooConservative (#9) "We should have doubled or triple sanctions on Iran." Would Europe go along? Doubtful. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-16   18:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: misterwhite (#10) They need to stay as far away from this deal as possible. Campaign against it and vow to repeal it. Their rank hypocrisy, having already given their blessing, rally galls as they sit around writing speeches about how much they opposed it after giving Obama the real green light in their abortive legislative gambit. The GOP Senate and the House seem to accomplish little. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   19:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: TooConservative (#12) "having already given their blessing" Oh, come on. What were they to do? This was an Executive branch deal all the way. Nothing Congress could do about it. Giving Obama the green light? Did they have a red light that worked? Had they stuck their nose in, Obama and the press would have painted them as obstructionists. Again. Even worse, had Obama made some minor concessions to the Republicans, now the treaty is equal responsibility. Anything bad that happens would be due to the part of the treaty that the Republicans wanted. Bet the bank on that. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-16   19:53:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: misterwhite (#13) Giving Obama the green light? Did they have a red light that worked? Had they stuck their nose in, Obama and the press would have painted them as obstructionists. Again. No, they gave him authority in advance to lift sanctions with this deal. Now they want to pretend they didn't enable all of the Iran deal. You are right that Obama dirtied up the GOP with his foul Iran giveaways. Corker is an idiot. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   20:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: misterwhite (#13) (Edited) Obama and the press would have painted them as obstructionists. Again. OK, got it! Excellent strategy! We sure don't want to do anything that might make opponents not like us. So we'll just wait for the Emperor and his court jesters to "give repubs the green light." And when - may I ask - might we expect that to happen? Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-16   20:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: Rufus T Firefly (#15) "We sure don't want to do anything that might make opponents not like us." Sure we do. If it accomplishes something. But if all we're doing is spinning our wheels, why take the bad press? That's not smart. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-17   9:28:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: misterwhite (#16) "We sure don't want to do anything that might make opponents not like us." Sure we do. If it accomplishes something. But if all we're doing is spinning our wheels, why take the bad press? That's not smart. For the sake of argument, let's assume the republicans are an opposition party (it's a stretch, I know) If they ARE an opposition party, it follows that their opponents are the democrats. So far, so good. But in the real world, their opponents are also the mainstream media - and just about every other facet of modern day intelligentsia (academia, Hollywood, etc) So what is it that republicans want to accomplish? Is it to oppose? Or is it to be liked by the opposition? Because if your answer is both - it ain't ever going to happen. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-17   18:51:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Rufus T Firefly (#17) (Edited) "So what is it that republicans want to accomplish?" They WANT to accomplish many things. Your question should be, "So what is it that Republicans CAN accomplish? The answer to that is, very little with a Democrat President who will veto anything and everything the Republicans present to him. Oh, the Republicans can grandstand, give speeches, grant interviews, go on all the talk shows, pass important-sounding bills, even threaten to shut down the government. And for what? They'll be painted as obstructionists, kooks, racists, out of touch, blah blah blah, and nothing will happen. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-17   19:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: misterwhite (#18) "So what is it that republicans want to accomplish?" They WANT to accomplish many things. Your question should be, "So what is it that Republicans CAN accomplish? The answer to that is, very little with a Democrat President who will veto anything and everything the Republicans present to him. Oh, the Republicans can grandstand, give speeches, grant interviews, go on all the talk shows, pass important-sounding bills, even threaten to shut down the government. And for what? They'll be painted as obstructionists, kooks, racists, out of touch, blah blah blah, and nothing will happen. I don't know how old you are - me? I've been voting since '72. My politics are right of center. So I've heard this song and dance from our gop friends forever. Nixon was kicked out of office by a press that hated him (which is ironic, because Nixon was NOT a conservative. He who gave us the EPA and wage and price controls, for starters.) Reagan WAS a conservative - and for some reason was able to overcome a very hostile Tip O'Neill in the House and a very hostile press. I wonder how he did that - could it be he had principals, was able to PERSUADE and CONVINCE (and not just wait for a friendly press which would never be forthcoming) Then of course we had Bush I, who followed not the Reagan model but instead the tried and (un)true gop model - to wit, campaign as a conservative but govern like a liberal (or at least "democrat lite) Bush I of course led to Xlinton. And Bush taught his son (Bush II) well, as "Dubyah" was the biggest spender since LBJ (pre Emperor Zero, of course) And now we'll get Bush chapter III, which of course will lead to another Xlinton. So I don't really care what the republicans CAN do - because it appears they CAN do nothing. Nothing that merits conservative support, anyway. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-17   21:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Rufus T Firefly (#19) "Reagan WAS a conservative - and for some reason was able to overcome a very hostile Tip O'Neill" For some reason? How about winning 44 states in 1980 and 49 states in 1984? "So I don't really care what the republicans CAN do" They CAN stay out of the way when Obama is self-destructing. Any attempt by the Republicans to "save" Obamacare, the Iran deal, the trade agreement or Iraq will be used against them when these policies fail. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-18   9:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: misterwhite (#20) (Edited) They CAN stay out of the way when Obama is self-destructing. That argument won't cut it now - the stakes are too high. Like it or not, we're in a (nominally) two party country. Republicans are SUPPOSED to be the opposition party. For Pete's sake man - when the democrats are the "opposition" party, they still seem to achieve everything they want. Failing that, they "oppose" republicans and stop them. That is what "opposition" parties do. "Zero is self-destructing" you say. Hogwash. He's getting absolutely everything he wants. He's missed nary a beat between Dirty Harry's Senate and the Turtle's Senate. Zero's destruction is not about himself, it's about the country. One final point: People like myself are often asked why we criticize reps and not dems. After all, it's the dems who are destroying the country. Here's my answer: Democrats are skunks. You don't hate a skunk for being a skunk - for acting like a skunk or doing what a skunk does. It's a skunk. It is what it is. You don't criticize a skunk for being a skunk Republicans claim however to be the enemies of skunks. They campaign that way and they sell themselves that way. They lie about who they are. Because when all is said and done, they're skunks too. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-18   10:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Rufus T Firefly (#19) (Edited) Nice post, Excellent condensation and condemnation of recent Presidential history. I don't really care what the republicans CAN do - because it appears they CAN do nothing. Nothing that merits conservative support, anyway. BINGO. By "GOP" we really mean the Establishment Republican Weasels. In NO instance since Poppy Bush have these pathological liars actually moved the needle of conservatism an iota. Before him as you noted, Nixon was NOT a conservative by any stretch. Fact is, they've actually supported and advanced the Democrat agenda. Even when they briefly owned the Presidency, the House, the Senate, and ostensibly, the majority of SCOTUS back in 2005 they failed to initiate ANT conservative policy. Poseurs. Phonies. Frauds. The GOPe must be spit on, then tar & feathered. Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   12:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Rufus T Firefly (#21) "Republicans are SUPPOSED to be the opposition party." They are. What would you have them do? Seriously. I've been answering your posts the best I can. Now it's your turn. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-18   12:32:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: misterwhite, Rufus T Firefly (#20) ("Reagan WAS a conservative - and for some reason was able to overcome a very hostile Tip O'Neill") For some reason? How about winning 44 states in 1980 and 49 states in 1984? Yes, and despite winning a pair of landslides, Firefly's point was that Reagan STILL had to deal with an overwhelmingly DEM Congress in order to get things done. Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   12:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: misterwhite, Rufus T Firefly (#23) ( "Republicans are SUPPOSED to be the opposition party.") They are. What would you have them do? Seriously. "They are what? An "opposition party"?? The GOP?? Seriously...are YOU serious?? Are you actually trying to sell the notion that McStain, Graham, Boehner, and McConnell and the GOPe leadership weasels provide ANY "opposition" to 0blabla and Dem policies? MEMO: they are DOORMATS. Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   12:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Liberator (#25) "Are you actually trying to sell the notion that McStain, Graham, Boehner, and McConnell and the GOPe leadership weasels provide ANY "opposition" to 0blabla and Dem policies?" Same question as in my post #23 -- What would you have them do? misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-18   13:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Liberator (#22) By "GOP" we really mean the Establishment Republican Weasels. In NO instance since Poppy Bush have these pathological liars actually moved the needle of conservatism an iota. Before him as you noted, Nixon was NOT a conservative by any stretch. Agreed. My criticism is never about conservatives or so called tea partiers. There's too darned few of them, but the few there are tend to be principled and they are fighters. The McClowns, McConnells, Boehners and the Bushes never miss a chance to trash conservatives. With the possible exception of saying "Oh by the way, vote for us. You certainly don't want the Ds running things now, do you?" Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-18   13:05:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Liberator (#24) "Firefly's point was that Reagan STILL had to deal with an overwhelmingly DEM Congress in order to get things done." By making concessions that would cause you to have a stroke if ANY Republican even discussed such a thing today. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-18   13:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Liberator (#25) All the current oligarchs in both parties are ALL about keeping their piece of the "ring" and enriching themselves and their "friends" and families. They are EXACTLY like the Senators of latter day Rome. I keep waiting for Obama to appoint an ass to Senate majority leader...Oh wait................ jeremiad  posted on  2015-07-18   13:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: misterwhite (#23) What would you have them do? Seriously. I've answered this question previously, but I'll list some possibilities once again. 1. Make the case FOR conservatism. That is if you are indeed a conservative party. The American electorate is dumb (as in not informed), but they are not necessarily unintelligent. If a case were made FOR conservatism BY republicans, at least SOME would be won over. 2. Quit trying to win over the press/intelligentsia. The press has been socialist/marxist/communist since the end of WWII. It ain't going to change now. 3. Quit going after conservatives like McClown did after Ted Cruz stood up to the dem establishment. In fact, get rid of McClown altogether - the only ones who like him are "Meet The Press" types (cuz he can always be counted on to trash conservatives) 4. You have the power of the purse. USE IT I'm just a lowly commentator on a backwater internet site, and I've come up with 4 ideas right off the top of my head. Republican consultants are paid millions to come up with ideas. Ideas that would (in the Reagan, not the Bush model) ELECT republicans while at the same time providing some opposition to the most dangerous set of circumstances since probably the War Between the States. They could do that - if they were of a mind to, that is. I see no evidence that they are. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-18   13:18:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: misterwhite, Rufus T Firefly (#26) Same question as in my post #23 -- What would you have them do? ACT as an actual "Opposition" Party and VIGOROUSLY oppose 0blabla's Dem-subversive tilted policies and agenda that help destroy America. Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   13:35:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Rufus T Firefly, Misterwhite (#27) Agreed. My criticism is never about conservatives or so called tea partiers. There's too darned few of them, but the few there are tend to be principled and they are fighters. And funny that despite the few numbers of actual "Tea Party-ers" the Left are STILL whining on about them, living in their craniums 24/7, and targeting them and other conservative groups for Alphabet persecution. AT THE BEHEST of weasels like McStain. Yep, it's the principles of these conservative "Whacky-Birds" that the GOPe finds so off-putting...and impossible to execute. Hard to do while on their knees bowing to 0blabla. The McClowns, McConnells, Boehners and the Bushes never miss a chance to trash conservatives. Shout it from the roof-tops, brutha! With the possible exception of saying "Oh by the way, vote for us. You certainly don't want the Ds running things now, do you?" Pretty much IT. The establishment Republican weasels have long presumed conservatives were niggas on their plantation. Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   13:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: misterwhite (#28) By making concessions that would cause you to have a stroke if ANY Republican even discussed such a thing today. Are you kidding? What Bush and the current GOPe consider "concessions" are full and complete SURRENDER to the Dem agenda. NOTHING at all Reagan was willing to consider -- despite overwhelmingly outnumbered in the House and Senate. Reagan negotiated like a Boss, but with respect for his opponents, and focus for achieving as much of his vision to help advance the principles of conservatism up ahead. You boys -- Bush, Boehner and McConnell negotiate like p*ssies, on their knees EVEN though they own both the Senate and House. They've demonstrated ZERO vision, ZERO balls to fight, and ZERO integrity. Can you explain WHY this is? Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   13:47:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: jeremiad (#29) (Edited) All the current oligarchs in both parties are ALL about keeping their piece of the "ring" and enriching themselves and their "friends" and families. They are EXACTLY like the Senators of latter day Rome. Perfect analogy, case and point. America mirrors the same corruption, greed, and addiction to power of ancient Rome, and its last days before the fall. These modern day oligarchies are even as morally and ethically perverted, their court personnel bereft to their whims and that of a perverted pop culture. I keep waiting for 0buma to appoint an ass to Senate majority leader...Oh wait................ HA! But...but...McConnell is an effect leader!! Bwaahaaa!! Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   13:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: Rufus T Firefly (#27) My criticism is never about conservatives or so called tea partiers. There's too darned few of them, but the few there are tend to be principled and they are fighters. The Tea Party was manufactured - it was an astro turf. Pericles  posted on  2015-07-18   13:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: Pericles (#35) it was an astro turf. Astro-turfed Like the bed of Xlinton's El Camino? How so? Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-18   14:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: Pericles, Rufus T Firefly (#35) (Edited) The Tea Party was manufactured - it was an astro turf. You are an utterly clueless enemy of America. Or is it "stupid" enemy of America? Doesn't matter. You're just...the enemy. Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   14:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: Rufus T Firefly (#30) 1, 2, & 3 are simply waving the American flag. #4 amounts to a government shutdown. That gonna work? Plus, this time the press can go up to each Republican candidate and ask them to speak out about that decision. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-18   14:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: Liberator (#33) "Reagan negotiated like a Boss, but with respect for his opponents, and focus for achieving as much of his vision to help advance the principles of conservatism up ahead." Reagan approved amnesty in exchange for closing the border. We got amnesty and an open border. Reagan accepted a tax increase in exchange for spending cuts. He got the tax increase and increased spending. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-18   15:02:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: misterwhite (#38) Support the gop-e all you want, then. Knock yourself out. I'm going to close this discussion with one final analogy: An arsonist burned a house to the ground. The neighbors watched, but did not call the fire department. Instead they just fought among themselves, wondering what they should do. Democrats are the arsonists. Republicans are the do-nothing neighbors. The sane part of the electorate (what's left of it) is the fire department. It just needs to be called. (i.e. woken up) It may be too late, so this discussion may just be academic. You see a difference between a Jeb Bush and a Hillary! Xlinton. While Jeb may be a nice guy and speak Spanish well, governing wise I see no difference between his 100 mph race to the cliff versus Hillary's! 200 mph. I don't see a difference - you do. We'll just have to leave it at that. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-18   15:07:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: Rufus T Firefly (#36) Astro-turfed Like the bed of Xlinton's El Camino? How so? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/final-proof-the-tea- party_b_4136722.html Final Proof The Tea Party Was Founded As A Bogus AstroTurf Movement Posted: 10/22/2013 9:54 am EDT Updated: 01/23/2014 6:58 pm EST The Koch-founded-and-run Citizens for a Sound Economy (shown there as running this "Tea Party") subsequently divided itself into two parts: FreedomWorks, and Americans For Prosperity. Both parts ardently pushed the Tea Party "movement" (which didn't yet exist). Pericles  posted on  2015-07-18   15:08:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: Pericles (#41) Koch Thank you for your post - I've learned something. Funding something = reasons for discreditation. So marxist Unions funding democrats = democrats discredited. Enviro-whacko Tom Steyer funding bogus global warming science = global warming discredited And thank you for agreeing with the crooked Harry Reid (re: Koch Bros.). Very revealing. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-18   15:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: Rufus T Firefly (#40) "An arsonist burned a house to the ground. The neighbors watched, but did not call the fire department. Instead they just fought among themselves, wondering what they should do." An arsonist (Obama) set fire to a house. The neighbors (Congress) watched and waited for the fire department (voters). Finally, the Republican neighbors decided they couldn't wait and got out their garden hoses, formed a bucket brigade, and tried to put out the fire. They failed. The house burned to the ground despite their efforts. The press then blamed the entire disaster on the Republicans. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-18   15:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: tomder55, redleghunter, Liberator (#8) The Iranians I met were the ones who's children were on the streets in 2009 begging the emperor to support their 'Green' Revolution. The Iranians I met were freedom loving people . I understand that the movement has been forced under ground . I had hoped that eventually ;with external pressure applied ,the pendulum would swing in favor of regime change. You know I've always wondered why they waited until Obozo was in office before asking for American help, you would have thought they would have asked when Bush was in office. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-07-18   15:59:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: Liberator (#31) "ACT as an actual "Opposition" Party and VIGOROUSLY oppose 0blabla's Dem-subversive tilted policies" I believe the Republicans may have sent Obama a strongly worded letter opposing his policies. Perhaps you can tell me exactly what you had in mind. misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-18   16:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: Rufus T Firefly (#42) Funding something = reasons for discreditation. Grass roots means the funding happens from the various people making up the movement. Astroturf movements are funded by the top down with the illusion the people started it and funded it. Sorry, you like being deceived. Pericles  posted on  2015-07-18   17:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: Pericles (#46) Sorry, you like being deceived. You're an Emperor Zero supporter - and I'm the one being deceived? Thank you for the laugh of the day. For the record - there are no "tea party" candidates for me to vote for in the ultra blue state in which I happen to live. Only Socialists and Marxists. So I don't understand how I'm being deceived. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-18   18:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: Pericles (#46) Astroturf movements are funded by the top down with the illusion the people started it and funded it. Yes. And the facilitators of such movement are...DEMOCRATS. Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   18:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: misterwhite (#45) I believe the Republicans may have sent 0buma a strongly worded letter opposing his policies. Was it scented in Chanel no.5 and sealed with a kiss? Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   18:32:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #50. To: CZ82, tomder55, redleghunter (#44) You know I've always wondered why they waited until Obozo was in office before asking for American help, you would have thought they would have asked when Bush was in office. Good question, Unc. But was it possible they assumed the US wasn't run by an even more radical Muzzie then their own? Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   18:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: Pericles (#41) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/final-proof-the-tea- party_b_4136722.html Final Proof The Tea Party Was Founded As A Bogus AstroTurf Movement Posted: 10/22/2013 9:54 am EDT Updated: 01/23/2014 6:58 pm EST Chyeah. "Final Proof"?? LOL! Let's believe WHO?? HuffPo, and link to sources hired by Leftists and Soros to credit Koch for spreading a movement that had ALREADY sprung up spontaneously? Don't think so. Good grief, you Lefties are like putty in the hands of Soros, HuffPo, Salon. and Jon Stewart. Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   18:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: Liberator (#50) One thing is for sure they'll be a lot more hesitant to believe anything the worlds Leftist Media has to say from now on, they suffered greatly for that mistake I have no doubt. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-07-18   18:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #53. To: Rufus T Firefly (#47) You're an Emperor Zero supporter - and I'm the one being deceived? I don't support Obama - that does not take away from your stupidity. Pericles  posted on  2015-07-18   19:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #54. To: Pericles (#53) I don't support Obama - riiiight. Even some of the most diehard statists are abandoning him, now. that does not take away from your stupidity. My my, resorting to personal insults now, are we? Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-18   20:12:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #55. To: Rufus T Firefly (#54) Yes, you deserve a personal insult - you are one of those stupid Americans that assumes that if someone does not agree with him he must be on the other side. That is talk show radio retard thinking. That is my estimation of you. Pericles  posted on  2015-07-18   20:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #56. To: Pericles (#55) I will criticize, insult, or otherwise disparage any politician or public figure when I visit these boards. Pretty much open season on any of them. Given that they ARE public figures, we know quite a bit about them. Enough in most cases to form educated opinions. Most - if not all of them - deserve the criticism they get. I will not resort to insulting other posters, however. One - other posters are anonymous, I know nothing about them save what they choose to share. And two, it's just not my nature to insult. I don't do it in person, and I won't do it here. I've generally found that when someone resorts to insults, it means they feel they have lost the argument. Be that as it may, that's your problem. Not mine. I will say it's likely you think very highly of yourself - hence the name "Pericles". Just an observation. Be careful up on your high horse - falling from such heights can be dangerous. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-18   21:39:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #57. To: Rufus T Firefly (#56) "I will say it's likely you think very highly of yourself - hence the name "Pericles". How about that? All along I though "pericles" was a type of fungal infection -- as in, "I got me a pericles of the big toe". Turns out he's some Greek who wears a helmet too small for his head. How smart can he be? misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-19   10:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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