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Title: Failure Theater: Republicans, Having Already Approved Obama's Iran Sell-Out, Now Hope to Capitalize Electorally at Next Year's Elections
Source: Ace Of Spades
URL Source: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=357890
Published: Jul 15, 2015
Author: —Ace
Post Date: 2015-07-15 22:55:03 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 3397
Comments: 57

Via Hot Air, noting Obama is due to welcome Iran into the nuclear club at a presser scheduled for 1pm, also notes they are, as usual, plotting to "win the issue" at the ballot box after deliberately losing the issue in the Congressional roll call:

Republicans believe they will win the public relations battle on the deal, which largely unites the GOP and threatens to divide the Democratic Party.

Some Senate Republicans are thinking about moving a motion of approval of the deal, believing it would put Democrats in a tough spot ahead of next year’s elections. Such a move in the upper chamber could lead to less than half of the Senate backing the president, allowing for more favorable headlines for the GOP. The House, however, is more likely to pass a resolution of disapproval.

A third option is to move legislation sponsored by Menendez and Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) placing new sanctions on Iran, which the Banking Committee passed earlier this year and has Democratic support.

"All options are on the table," said a Republican member of the Senate Foreign Relations panel who requested anonymity. "I wouldn’t take anything off."

Republicans will likely use the Iran votes as ammunition on the campaign trail in 2016.

Oh I see -- after voting in favor of letting Obama do this, and making it US law, you're now going to run on a campaign of "isn't it horrible what Obama and the Democrats have done here."

Go fuck yourselves to hell.

You will pass from the earth, and no one will mourn your passing. . . .

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#10. To: TooConservative (#0)

"Go fuck yourselves to hell."

What would you have the Republicans do -- write Obama a stern letter?

They need to stay as far away from this deal as possible. Campaign against it and vow to repeal it.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-16   18:15:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#10)

They need to stay as far away from this deal as possible. Campaign against it and vow to repeal it.

Their rank hypocrisy, having already given their blessing, rally galls as they sit around writing speeches about how much they opposed it after giving Obama the real green light in their abortive legislative gambit.

The GOP Senate and the House seem to accomplish little.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-16   19:29:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative (#12)

"having already given their blessing"

Oh, come on. What were they to do? This was an Executive branch deal all the way. Nothing Congress could do about it.

Giving Obama the green light? Did they have a red light that worked? Had they stuck their nose in, Obama and the press would have painted them as obstructionists. Again.

Even worse, had Obama made some minor concessions to the Republicans, now the treaty is equal responsibility. Anything bad that happens would be due to the part of the treaty that the Republicans wanted. Bet the bank on that.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-16   19:53:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#13) (Edited)

Obama and the press would have painted them as obstructionists. Again.

OK, got it! Excellent strategy! We sure don't want to do anything that might make opponents not like us.

So we'll just wait for the Emperor and his court jesters to "give repubs the green light."

And when - may I ask - might we expect that to happen?

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-16   20:47:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Rufus T Firefly (#15)

"We sure don't want to do anything that might make opponents not like us."

Sure we do. If it accomplishes something.

But if all we're doing is spinning our wheels, why take the bad press? That's not smart.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-17   9:28:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: misterwhite (#16)

"We sure don't want to do anything that might make opponents not like us."

Sure we do. If it accomplishes something.

But if all we're doing is spinning our wheels, why take the bad press? That's not smart.

For the sake of argument, let's assume the republicans are an opposition party (it's a stretch, I know)

If they ARE an opposition party, it follows that their opponents are the democrats. So far, so good.

But in the real world, their opponents are also the mainstream media - and just about every other facet of modern day intelligentsia (academia, Hollywood, etc)

So what is it that republicans want to accomplish? Is it to oppose?

Or is it to be liked by the opposition?

Because if your answer is both - it ain't ever going to happen.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-17   18:51:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Rufus T Firefly (#17) (Edited)

"So what is it that republicans want to accomplish?"

They WANT to accomplish many things. Your question should be, "So what is it that Republicans CAN accomplish?

The answer to that is, very little with a Democrat President who will veto anything and everything the Republicans present to him.

Oh, the Republicans can grandstand, give speeches, grant interviews, go on all the talk shows, pass important-sounding bills, even threaten to shut down the government. And for what?

They'll be painted as obstructionists, kooks, racists, out of touch, blah blah blah, and nothing will happen.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-17   19:06:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: misterwhite (#18)

"So what is it that republicans want to accomplish?"

They WANT to accomplish many things. Your question should be, "So what is it that Republicans CAN accomplish?

The answer to that is, very little with a Democrat President who will veto anything and everything the Republicans present to him.

Oh, the Republicans can grandstand, give speeches, grant interviews, go on all the talk shows, pass important-sounding bills, even threaten to shut down the government. And for what?

They'll be painted as obstructionists, kooks, racists, out of touch, blah blah blah, and nothing will happen.

I don't know how old you are - me? I've been voting since '72. My politics are right of center.

So I've heard this song and dance from our gop friends forever. Nixon was kicked out of office by a press that hated him (which is ironic, because Nixon was NOT a conservative. He who gave us the EPA and wage and price controls, for starters.)

Reagan WAS a conservative - and for some reason was able to overcome a very hostile Tip O'Neill in the House and a very hostile press. I wonder how he did that - could it be he had principals, was able to PERSUADE and CONVINCE (and not just wait for a friendly press which would never be forthcoming)

Then of course we had Bush I, who followed not the Reagan model but instead the tried and (un)true gop model - to wit, campaign as a conservative but govern like a liberal (or at least "democrat lite)

Bush I of course led to Xlinton. And Bush taught his son (Bush II) well, as "Dubyah" was the biggest spender since LBJ (pre Emperor Zero, of course)

And now we'll get Bush chapter III, which of course will lead to another Xlinton.

So I don't really care what the republicans CAN do - because it appears they CAN do nothing. Nothing that merits conservative support, anyway.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-07-17   21:54:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Rufus T Firefly (#19)

"Reagan WAS a conservative - and for some reason was able to overcome a very hostile Tip O'Neill"

For some reason? How about winning 44 states in 1980 and 49 states in 1984?

"So I don't really care what the republicans CAN do"

They CAN stay out of the way when Obama is self-destructing. Any attempt by the Republicans to "save" Obamacare, the Iran deal, the trade agreement or Iraq will be used against them when these policies fail.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-18   9:19:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite, Rufus T Firefly (#20)

("Reagan WAS a conservative - and for some reason was able to overcome a very hostile Tip O'Neill")

For some reason? How about winning 44 states in 1980 and 49 states in 1984?

Yes, and despite winning a pair of landslides, Firefly's point was that Reagan STILL had to deal with an overwhelmingly DEM Congress in order to get things done.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18   12:34:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Liberator (#24)

"Firefly's point was that Reagan STILL had to deal with an overwhelmingly DEM Congress in order to get things done."

By making concessions that would cause you to have a stroke if ANY Republican even discussed such a thing today.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-07-18   13:06:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#33. To: misterwhite (#28)

By making concessions that would cause you to have a stroke if ANY Republican even discussed such a thing today.

Are you kidding?

What Bush and the current GOPe consider "concessions" are full and complete SURRENDER to the Dem agenda. NOTHING at all Reagan was willing to consider -- despite overwhelmingly outnumbered in the House and Senate.

Reagan negotiated like a Boss, but with respect for his opponents, and focus for achieving as much of his vision to help advance the principles of conservatism up ahead.

You boys -- Bush, Boehner and McConnell negotiate like p*ssies, on their knees EVEN though they own both the Senate and House. They've demonstrated ZERO vision, ZERO balls to fight, and ZERO integrity. Can you explain WHY this is?

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-18 13:47:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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