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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Bible Study See other Bible Study Articles Title: Rapture of the Church Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: Jul 14, 2015 Author: Don Post Date: 2015-07-14 23:19:04 by Don Keywords: None Views: 14489 Comments: 65 Many people don't believe in the Rapture of the Christian Church, or even know just what the Church is. There are many differing opinions on all phases of the End Times. The only valid opinions come from what we read in the Holy Bible. I will post an article tomorrow that doesn't skimp on references giving chapter and verse. I believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. More on that tomorrow. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 28. #1. To: Don (#0) Many people don't believe in the Rapture of the Christian Church Because the rapture is bullshit. Pericles  posted on  2015-07-15   1:55:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Pericles (#1) Well no...the actual word appears and we have discussed this before. When it happens in space and time is another matter of discussion. redleghunter  posted on  2015-07-16   13:40:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: redleghunter (#21) Well no...the actual word appears and we have discussed this before. When it happens in space and time is another matter of discussion. The Greek word appears. Funny how Greeks spent 2,000 years not knowing what the word meant until some 19th century British Protestant figured it out via a translated Bible. Pericles  posted on  2015-07-16   13:58:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Pericles (#24) The Greek word appears. Funny how Greeks spent 2,000 years not knowing what the word meant until some 19th century British Protestant figured it out via a translated Bible. The word means what it means even within the Koine Greek. "Caught up." It was 'caught up' then and even now. redleghunter  posted on  2015-07-16   14:16:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 28. #38. To: redleghunter (#28) (Edited) The word means what it means even within the Koine Greek. "Caught up." It was 'caught up' then and even now. http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/dogmatics/cozby_rapture1.htm It seems that some people believed that Christians who died before Christ’s return would somehow miss out on that glorious event. St. Paul seeks to calm their fears (vs. 13). He points out that as Christ returned from the dead at His Resurrection, so also, at the end of time, His followers who have died in the interim will be restored through resurrection (vs. 14). At the Second Coming, the Christian dead will be raised (vs. 16). Then they and the faithful who are still alive will be caught up into the clouds to welcome Christ as He descends (verses 15,17). Paul then discusses other matters relating to the Second Coming, beginning with the date it will occur. When we look at verse 17 in context, it is easy to see that is does not really support the doctrine of the Rapture. There is no reference to a Great Tribulation or to any other events preceding Christ’s Return. The verse refers to something that will happen as part of the Lord’s Coming. The course of events St. Paul presents is simple and straight-forward. At the time of the Second Coming, the dead will be raised, and all the faithful (the dead now restored and those still alive now transfigured) will ascend to be with Him as He comes down. This is the universal interpretation of the Fathers who see the verse as referring to the last days. Let us summarize what we have found so far. St. Paul does speak of a sort of rapture, in the sense of a carrying up into the sky of the righteous at the time of the Second Coming. The Fathers generally agree on that. But St. Paul and the Fathers see this as an event which accompanies Christ’s return and immediately precedes the Judgment and the establishment of the Kingdom. The Rapture which Darby and Scofield taught and which Lindsey, Walvoord, and others still teach, is different from that. They talk about it as a separate happening, part of a decades long program of events leading up to Christ’s Coming. The dispensationalists see the Rapture as the disappearance of the faithful from the earth before the Great Tribulation and many years before the Judgment. This is foreign to the Apostle and to the Tradition. St. Paul mentions no period of affliction and persecution following the Rapture. Pericles  posted on  2015-07-16 15:35:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 28. 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