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Title: Greece news live: Greeks capitulate to austerity and external monitoring after 17 hours of late night talks end in 'a-Greek-ment'
Source: UK Telegraph
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ ... hours-of-late-night-talks.html
Published: Jul 13, 2015
Author: Mehreen Khan and Ben Wright
Post Date: 2015-07-13 07:47:34 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 4062
Comments: 63

Analysis and reaction of the deal as Greek agreement is reached at last following 17 hours of tense negotiations among eurozone leaders and ministers

Latest 12.32 Why the Greeks have blinked

My colleague Szu Chan has laid out what exactly creditors are demanding from the Greeks. Key points below:

IMF involvement

PM Tsipras said he didn't want the Fund to be involved in a new rescue after their involvement is set to end in March 2016. However, any new rescue loan from the ESM requires legal involvement from the Fund. Thus: "Greece will request continued IMF support (monitoring and financing) from March 2016."

Sequestration of assets

This is a new demand that emerged from finance ministers yesterday. It would involve €50bn of Greek assets placed in a private fund and used to pay off their debts.

Mr Tsipras objected to it being placed in Luxembourg or controlled by a German state-owned bank. The fund will now be managed by the Greeks. Some of the money will also be used for growth initiatives and to recapitalise Greek banks. The initial purpose of the fund was solely to pay down their loans.

Debt relief

This one's the rub. Greeks want a clear promise to alleviate their debt burden as part of any new rescue. Last night's statement provides only a commitment to think about it should the Greeks manage to first get through all the legislative hurdles they face by Wednesday. The text reads: "the Eurogroup stands ready to consider, if necessary, possible additional measures (possible longer grace and payment periods) aiming at ensuring that gross financing needs remain at a sustainable level."

12.04 Tsipras: we avoided plan for "financial suffocation"

The Greek PM has this morning defended last night's basis for an agreement, arguing that he managed to resist measures that would have led to a collapse of the banking system.

"We found ourselves before difficult decisions, tough dilemmas. We took the responsibility of the decision in order to avert the implementation of the more extreme aims (of) the more extreme conservative circles in the European Union."

He says Greece managed to resist a request that Greece transfer public assets abroad as well as a "plan of financial suffocation and the collapse of the banking system," which he said had been "planned down to its last detail recently" and had already started to be implemented.

The PM is due to meet with his junior coalition partner and defence minister later this evening.

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#1. To: cranky (#0)

This is Russia's moment, should Russia choose to seize it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-13   8:39:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

This is Russia's moment, should Russia choose to seize it.

Greece is on he hook for some 315 billion euros (down from 360 euros in 2012).

I'm note sure Putin has the money to throw at Greece especially since it would never be repaid.

cranky  posted on  2015-07-13   10:19:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: cranky, Vicomte13 (#4)

Greece is on he hook for some 315 billion euros (down from 360 euros in 2012).

Per pagan, Jewish, Christian and Muslim law, Greece is only on the hook for the principal not the interest on the loan. Interest was viewed as evil by every religion I have ever studied.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-13   11:04:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pericles, cranky, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#5)

Interest was viewed as evil by every religion I have ever studied.

Well then, try borrowing money from the Vatican.

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-13   12:34:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: SOSO, Pericles, APole, cranky, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#9)

(Pericles: "Interest was viewed as evil by every religion I have ever studied.")

Well then, try borrowing money from the Vatican.

Oh, that's gonna leave a mark.

Yes, maybe that famous Marxist humanitarian and anti-capitalist lecturer -- Pope Franko -- will authorize the HUGE Vatican vault to the Vatican Bank and "kinda, sorta help spread the wealth around." The vast Vatican holdings of gazillions in unknown massive quantities of cash, baubles, art, and real estate are just sitting there...collecting interest and appreciating in this capitalist world. Fancy that! So let's all expect that Greece (as well as the rest of the world's poor and poverty-stricken people) will be able to dine their next meal (instead of catching it with a fly-swatter or mouse-trap.)

We can expect this because this lecturing, chastising Pope (as "Vicar of Christ") is compelled to emulate the charity and generosity Christ, while the Vatican is the so-called "center of "Christ's Church"...

NOT. NOT. NOT.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-13   13:00:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Liberator (#12)

will authorize the HUGE Vatican vault to the Vatican Bank

To what?

To bail out the banksters?

Or just the Greek bank(s)?

The only way to get the money to the Greek people is through the Greek government.

The Greek people are going to see very little of any money that the government gets its hands on, imho.

cranky  posted on  2015-07-13   13:10:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: cranky, Deckard, nativist nationalist (#13)

("...will authorize the HUGE Vatican vault to the Vatican Bank")

To what?

To bail out the banksters?

Or just the Greek bank(s)?

The only way to get the money to the Greek people is through the Greek government.

The Greek people are going to see very little of any money that the government gets its hands on, imho.

I was being facetious.

Not a single Vatican cent will leave the Vatican Bank vault. The Vatican Bank is been history's longest, and biggest money laundering operation. This operation represents part of the "Banksters" and One World Government scheme themselves.

I believe you're right -- the Greek people will see little of its savings ever again. Or will be told "it will take some time," then be offered a small token "settlement."

The same scenario I fear will recur all over the world soon in the coming years. The elites' Pyramid Scheme is about to crash. Only the elites will be given ample heads ups.

Hey -- a found a highlight film clip of our gubmint and elites "loving" us. Maybe a Jade Helm 15 exercise fantasy:

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-13   13:37:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#42. To: Liberator (#18)

This operation represents part of the "Banksters" and One World Government scheme themselves.

Of course. The Vatican is the oldest "One World Nation" organization. They dream of a Catholic World with them making all the decisions and collecting all the taxes.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-07-13 17:27:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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