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Title: India, Pakistan to join China, Russia in security group
Source: smh.com.au
URL Source: http://www.smh.com.au/world/india-p ... ity-group-20150711-gia1qx.html
Published: Jul 11, 2015
Author: Lidia Kelly, Denis Pinchuk
Post Date: 2015-07-11 00:44:55 by Pericles
Keywords: China, Russia, India
Views: 1885
Comments: 22

India, Pakistan to join China, Russia in security group

Date July 11, 2015 - 11:40AM

Lidia Kelly, Denis Pinchuk

Ufa, Russia: India and Pakistan have began accession to a regional security group led by China and Russia after two days of summits which Russian President Vladimir Putin held up as evidence Moscow is not isolated in the world.

The Shanghai Co-operation Organisation, meeting in the Russian city of Ufa on Friday, a day after the BRICS emerging economies held a summit there, said the invitation to the two Asian nations showed a "multipolar" world was now emerging.

Those words will have pleased Mr Putin, who says the United States has an outdated vision of a "uni-polar" world dominated by Washington and wants to show Russia has not been weakened by Western sanctions over its role in the Ukraine crisis.

"The evolution of the SCO is taking place at a complicated stage in the development of international relations and amidst the emergence of a multipolar world," the group said in a declaration after the meeting.

"These processes are accompanied by increasing security challenges and threats, increasing uncertainty and instability in various regions of the world."

The SCO, which also includes the Central Asian former Soviet republics of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, is widely seen as a platform for Moscow and Beijing to project influence in the region.

Until now it has not been a big force and relations between China and Russia have not developed as quickly as Moscow would like, despite agreement on a major gas supply deal last year.

But Mr Putin saw the signs of unity in the SCO and the BRICS – Brazil, India, South Africa, China and Russia – which agreed to co-ordinate efforts to keep their economies stable, launched a development bank and agreed on a currency pool.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi​ said the expansion of the SCO should serve a "springboard" for the organisation to become one of the most dynamic in the world.

"The time has come to reach out across the region," Mr Modi said. "We have everything we need to succeed."

Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said: "President Putin's efforts will enhance the political and economic scope of the Eurasian belt."

Energy producers

The addition of Pakistan and India, two nuclear-armed neighbours who have years of tensions between them, could also lead to easing the conflicts between New Delhi and Islamabad.

The two leaders agreed in a separate meeting in Ufa that Mr Modi would visit Pakistan next year.

Joining a group that includes energy producers such as Kazakhstan and Russia may have been a strong incentive for the two countries to join.

"India is particularly interested because it lacks direct access to Central Asia, and it sees SCO membership as a way to get a better foothold on the region. SCO membership could better position India to benefit from Central Asia's gas riches," said Michael Kugelman, senior program associate for south and south-east Asia at the Wilson Centre in Washington.

But he added: "In [the] SCO, India and Pakistan wouldn't be dominant powers – China and Russia would retain that title."

The SCO did not invite Iran to join, although it has long sought membership. The group says Iran can join only after reaching a deal with big powers on its nuclear program.

With the addition of Iran, the group would control about a fifth of the world's oil and represent nearl half of the global population. The BRICS account for a fifth of the world's economic output and 40 per cent of its population.

Reuters

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#1. To: TooConservative, A Pole (#0) (Edited)

Putin just united Pakistan and India in a security group? WTF?

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-11   0:45:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pericles (#1) (Edited)

Putin just united Pakistan and India in a security group? WTF?

The military angle is overplayed.

They are pursuing the economic and diplomatic angle far more seriously than trying to create an Asian version of NATO. And this does play into Vlad's earlier plans for a customs union inclusive of authoritarian states.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-11   5:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#2)

They are pursuing the economic and diplomatic angle far more seriously than trying to create an Asian version of NATO. And this does play into Vlad's earlier plans for a customs union inclusive of authoritarian states.

Good. China will have some new markets to dump all their crap into once President Trump ends the free ride they've enjoyed in our market.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-07-11   6:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pericles (#0)

Shouldn't that headline read "Russia is going to try to babysit India and Pakistan"?

India and Pakistan will get along about as good as partners as the Black Panthers and the KKK.

Pooty Poot really stepped into it this time.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-07-11   10:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#4)

Shouldn't that headline read "Russia is going to try to babysit India and Pakistan"?

Russia has had interests in both nations for a long time. If Russia and China are trying to build a new monolithic energy cartel and region of economic dominance, they would naturally desire to draw in India and Pakistan. Each of the nations have some past issues with each other like Soviet Russia vs. Red China. Or India vs. China, etc.

This seems to represent a way for these countries to form an economic bloc based on authoritarian regimes. They will have more in common in economics and diplomacy than they do with the West.

This is a flowering of the BRICS as a challenge to the West and NATO (and Japan/SKorea/Taiwan).

If Russia and China want to challenge the West geopolitically, they do have a better chance of success in Asia than in Europe.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-11   11:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#5)

This seems to represent a way for these countries to form an economic bloc based on authoritarian regimes.

Four questions:

How exactly understand do you "authoritarian"? Depriving people of their freedom and pursuit of happiness? Oppressive? Not responsive to the people? This is a key question because depending on an answer the rest of the world might have to fight in order not to be submerged by tyranny.

Do you consider India as authoritarian?

Do you think that authoritarian allies of America (like Saudi Arabia) will go to the other side if the defining criterion is authoritarian or liberal?

Do you think that the rest of the world is free?

A Pole  posted on  2015-07-11   12:14:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pericles (#0)

India, Pakistan to join China, Russia in security group

If I were Russia I would dump Pakistan and get India.

That would be India, China and Russia. That's half the population of the world.

By doing so it world force America to back Pakistan which means we back the devil in the group. Russia forced Nato into a crappy no win corner again.

Justified  posted on  2015-07-11   12:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Justified (#7)

The want to integrate economies from Europe to Asia. It means land connection from India through Pakistan, Iran and Turkey. New Silk Road.

A Pole  posted on  2015-07-11   12:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A Pole (#6)

Four questions:

How exactly understand do you "authoritarian"? ... blah-blah-blah...

My goodness, that "authoritarian" thing really hit a nerve, eh?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-11   12:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative, Pericles (#2)

The military angle is overplayed.

Maybe, maybe not.

"They are pursuing the economic and diplomatic angle far more seriously than trying to create an Asian version of NATO. And this does play into Vlad's earlier plans for a customs union inclusive of authoritarian states."

That's about 40% of the world's population, and each member with nuclear capability. Some union, no?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-11   13:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SOSO (#10)

That's about 40% of the world's population, and each member with nuclear capability. Some union, no?

Well, it is a more rational way to view this move.

You can see TPP as an attempt to use trade to bind key Asian economics to America as well. They seem to think they're playing for all the marbles in global trade but it seems to me that is just a weak excuse for the elites to deliver another rotten trade deal for their own benefit. We've seen this movie before.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-11   13:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative (#11)

We've seen this movie before.

And the popcorn is getting stale.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-07-11   14:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative (#2)

Putin just united Pakistan and India in a security group? WTF?

The military angle is overplayed.

Security group is not the same as military group. But still, Russia AND China got Pakistan and India to be in the same security group? That is like almost impossible to comprehend.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-11   19:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative, sneakypete (#5)

This seems to represent a way for these countries to form an economic bloc based on authoritarian regimes. They will have more in common in economics and diplomacy than they do with the West.

Why do you act as if the west is not "authoritarian". The west just as authoritarian but in different ways and on different things.

There was this great line on HBO's Silicon Valley "We don't enjoy all the freedoms that you have in China." - Erlich to Jian Yang

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-11   19:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A Pole, TooConservative (#6)

How exactly understand do you "authoritarian"? Depriving people of their freedom and pursuit of happiness? Oppressive? Not responsive to the people? This is a key question because depending on an answer the rest of the world might have to fight in order not to be submerged by tyranny.

The USA has more people behind bars than any nation but somehow we are not a police state.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-11   19:22:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A Pole (#8)

The want to integrate economies from Europe to Asia. It means land connection from India through Pakistan, Iran and Turkey. New Silk Road.

Crazy islamic people will never let it happen. Animals only know deadly force and if you can not kill them they will kill you. After hundreds and hundreds of years you would think states would figure this out. But I guess if its not your blood being spilt why care?

Justified  posted on  2015-07-11   19:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Justified, A Pole (#16) (Edited)

Crazy islamic people will never let it happen.

Crazy islamic people who work for the USA will never let it happen, you mean.

USA has been the ally of the jihadi to use against the Indians, Russians and Chinese since Reagan.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-11   19:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pericles (#15)

The USA has more people behind bars than any nation but somehow we are not a police state.

It's easy to understand your confusion. You are used to and want to return to the "good old days of the Soviet Union",where the whole nation is a prison and bars aren't necessary.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-07-11   21:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#18)

Pete, at least Russia doesn't have queers running around in "GAY-DAY Parades" blowing kisses to the masses.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-07-11   21:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete, buckeroo (#18)

It's easy to understand your confusion. You are used to and want to return to the "good old days of the Soviet Union",where the whole nation is a prison and bars aren't necessary.

We have more people in the prison system than Stalin had in the Gulags.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-11   21:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pericles (#20)

We have more people in the prison system than Stalin had in the Gulags.

Two large segments of society make up 60% of prison population: illegal aliens and narcotics violations.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-07-11   21:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#19)

Pete, at least Russia doesn't have queers running around in "GAY-DAY Parades" blowing kisses to the masses.

Sure they do. Or have in the recent past,anyhow.

They even have their leader doing semi-homo shirtless poses on a white horse.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-07-11   23:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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