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America’s Armed Forces will be armed.” Trump went on to decry gun free zones on military bases as a product of “political correctness” and said removing those zones “will… [enable soldiers] to defend themselves against terrorists.” He added, “Our brave soldiers should not be at risk because of policy created by civilian leadership.” Trump’s opposition to military gun free zones is in line with his opposition to other gun control measures currently being pushed by gun control proponents like President Obama, Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV), Gabby Giffords, and Sandy Hook Promise. Chief among these is his opposition to expanding background checks. Trump explicitly stated that he does “not support expanding background checks” because our current background check system proves such checks do not work. He added: They make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to acquire firearms while consistently failing to stop criminals from getting guns. We should re-examine our policy to make sure that these prohibitions do not impede law abiding citizens from exercising their Second Amendment rights Breitbart News has previously reported that the most prominent of public attackers over the last 15 years all passed background checks to acquire the guns they used to commit their crimes. These attackers include Dylann Roof (Charleston), Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi (Garland), Jared and Amanda Miller (Las Vegas), Elliot Rodger (Santa Barabara), Ivan Lopez (Fort Hood 2014), Darion Marcus Aguilar (Maryland mall), Karl Halverson Pierson (Arapahoe High School), Paul Ciancia (LAX), Andrew John Engeldinger (Minneapolis), Aaron Alexis (DC Navy Yard), Tennis Melvin Maynard (West Virginia), Wade Michael Page (Sinkh Temple), James Holmes (Aurora theater), Jared Loughner (Tucson), Nidal Hasan (Fort Hood 2009), Jiverly Wong (Binghamton), Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech), Naveed Haq (Seattle), and Mark Barton (Atlanta). Background checks proved impotent to prevent any of these attackers from carrying out their heinous deeds but served well to make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to get the guns they need for self-defense. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 12. #1. To: out damned spot (#0) He's right. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-10   10:09:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#1) He's right. He's pandering to the GOP base voters, nothing more. Trump was always quite pro-abortion and largely anti-gun, as are most New Yorkers. Only when trying to campaign for the GOP nomination has he suddenly realized how pro-life and pro-gun he is. I'm not sure the military wants or needs to have all the personnel on bases fully armed at all times. This sounds like Trump shooting from the hip. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-10   11:54:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: TooConservative (#2) Trump was always quite pro-abortion and largely anti-gun, as are most New Yorkers. Only when trying to campaign for the GOP nomination has he suddenly realized how pro-life and pro-gun he is. Trump changed his mind on abortion in the early 2000s, and has been consistent on the matter since then. Same as me. I care as much about guns as I do gays: not at all. Guns and gays are fetish issues of crazies. I don't care what people do, as long as they don't do it in the street and disturb the horses. I don't care how people have sex, or with whom. Never did. Still don't. And I don't care how many guns people stock, or carry around with them. I care if people have chemical or biological weapons, or put out landmines, or have Stinger missiles or grenades or nukes. Regular guns? Don't care. I care if people pull guns or kill people. Then I care. What I care about is the crime, not the gun. I do not believe that the Second Amendment is the vouchsafe of the rest of the Constitution, because I look at the long train of usurpations and abuses by local, state and federal government in the United States, and I see that the only time that Americans actually pulled out their guns and started seriously shooting at government officials was to defend slavery. And I note that they failed and the region of the country that did it was wrecked so badly that, when faced with desegregation, no matter how furiously angry they were, they never did it again. I do not believe that the will to fight exists in Americans sufficient to ever actually take up arms against the government. So it's all just theoretical nonsense, to me, this "rise up against tyranny" business. Americans are not going to do that. Guns are to protect yourself against crime, to kill yourself with when you get depressed, to go commit crimes, to hunt animals and to shoot at targets and think about one or more of the above. Oh, and to spend a lot of money on buying and keeping. I don't want to bother people with that fetish. Let them be. It doesn't threaten ME unless they start brandishing the weapons. Then, of course, I have the right to shoot them dead on the spot, in self defense. So do the police. So, what's my policy on gun control? I don't believe in it, really. I don't care enough about the issue to spend a penny of political capital on it, but it's a horse I'll gladly trade to get what I want on something if I care about. If I could outlaw abortion and impose a fair taxation structure by striking down all gun laws, I'd do it. If I could outlaw abortion and impose fair taxation by confiscating all guns, I'd do that too. I don't care, and therefore, I am willing to make political deals on that subject, in order to get what's important. If you need me to believe in your cause, whether you're a gun-grabber or a gun-worshipper, then I'm not your man, because your fear of or fetish for guns is silly. But, if you want a steady vote for either position, then give me what I want on abortion. It's called quid-pro-quo. You don't have to believe that abortion is murder. You can actually think it ought to be a right. As long as you'll unwaveringly vote to outlaw it, I'll join you in voting for, or against, guns, depending on what you need. Left alone to my opinions, abortion is murder and guns are mere tools. All anybody can do with a gun is kill me and send me to God, and then he's bought himself two world's of hurt but I'll be fine. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-10   14:25:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Vicomte13 (#3) I care as much about guns as I do gays: not at all. Guns and gays are fetish issues of crazies....your fear of or fetish for guns is silly. Guns are NOT a fetish; Just like freedom is not a "fetish." Guns represent the ONLY weapon standing in the way of a fascist regime that would remove ALL liberty and freedom and your ability to post at LF in one fall swoop. In a world without guns, the "abortion" of un-wanted would then include...you and I. Don't take my word for it, just ask Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. Then do the math. I don't care how people have sex, or with whom. Never did. Still don't. Do you care about the hows and the with-whoms are taught at the nation's "educational" institutions to young children? Sanctioned by the monopoly called "PUBLIC EDUCATION"? Liberator  posted on  2015-07-10   15:18:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Liberator (#5) In a world without guns, the "abortion" of un-wanted would then include...you and I. Don't take my word for it, just ask Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. Hitler's, Stalin's and Mao's armies were chock full of men with guns who could have turned their guns on their officers and blown them away. Truth was, the soldiers mostly agreed with their leaders, and viewed the enemy as a much worse thing than their leaders. Freedom in America is not maintained by guns. The government and the police are not waiting with 'bated breath to swoop in and impose fascism the instant the population is disarmed. It's the general consensus of what is cricket that does it. Americans are not inclined to stand up to the law with weapons. It's not an American trait. Americans like to THINK they are, because it gives a justification for all of the focus on guns. It's a fantasy. But, as I said, I don't care about guns either way. I think gun ownership will gradually be restricted and reduced, and that Americans will never, ever turn those arms against the police and the government to protect their "right to keep and bear arms". That right has already largely been eroded, and it will erode further and further, and Americans will never fight for it. Therefore, they have already mostly lost it, and will further lose it. And it won't matter, because tyranny is not really held back by people owning guns. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-10   18:26:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Vicomte13 (#9) That right has already largely been eroded How? More people own guns now than ever before. Kluane  posted on  2015-07-10   19:05:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Kluane (#10) (Edited) And those guns are licensed, registered, known. Their ammunition is tracked. And the right to have one can be, and is routinely, denied for various reasons. There is a complicated skein of laws as to who can carry what, and when, and where. These laws change by jurisdiction, and they're draconian. Run afoul of one, and they hammer you. To exercise that right to bear arms you have to do legal research before you walk out of the gun store, and before you walk out of your house. Even in your house, if you keep it wrong, you can be prosecuted and your kids can be taken away from you. There are lots of guns, and lots of people have them, and it's a mighty tricky thing now to own a gun, let alone to carry one. Nobody tells you what right you have on any plot of ground, and if you get it wrong, you're hammered. Gun ownership and bearing arms has become a treacherous, difficult, legally dangerous thing to do. And that's a massive erosion of a right that "shall not be infringed" according to the Constitution. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-10   19:32:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Vicomte13 (#11) And those guns are licensed, registered, known. Gun ownership and bearing arms has become a treacherous, difficult, legally dangerous thing to do. Not true. Guns weren't registered years ago and private sales are not always registered. Many guns are stolen and serial numbers removed. There are probably millions of guns that are not registered or traceable. Not for the semi-literate. Very few law abiding citizens run afoul of the gun laws. Kluane  posted on  2015-07-10   19:43:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 12.         There are no replies to Comment # 12. End Trace Mode for Comment # 12. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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