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Title: Judge orders kids held in juvenile center after refusing to see dad
Source: Fox
URL Source: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/2 ... r-after-refusing-to-see-father
Published: Jul 9, 2015
Author: Taryn Asher
Post Date: 2015-07-09 17:27:38 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 1792
Comments: 9

Three Bloomfield Hills kids who refused an order by a judge to go to lunch with their father have been ordered to a juvenile detention facility.

"I felt like I was watching them be executed," said Maya Tsimhoni. 

The Tsimhoni family was in Oakland County's family court for a hearing on supervised parenting time when Judge Lisa Gorcyca took matters into her own hands.

Read the court transcript as the judge as she sent the three kids to Children's Village

June 24 court transcripts showed how upset the judge was. She ordered the Tsimhoni kids ages 14,10 and 9 to have a "healthy relationship" with their father. 

She criticized them for avoiding him and even compared them to Charles Manson and his cult. Gorcyca then ordered the children to apologize and have a nice lunch with their dad.

When they refused, Gorcyca held them in contempt and had each child hauled off to Children's Village's juvenile hall - until they are 18 years old.

"No matter how bad the divorce gets, I think the court should not punish the kids for that," Tsimhoni said.

Tsimhoni admits the last five years have not been easy in and out of court through a messy divorce and allegations of parental kidnapping and alienation.

Her son at one point even tried to explain to the judge why he didn't want to spend time with his dad.

"Because he is violent and I saw him hit my mom," he said in court documents.

But Judge Gorcyca claimed he had been brainwashed.

"Since that day I cannot eat, I cannot sleep," Tsimhoni said. "I cannot understand something like that can even happen in this country."

Lisa Stern is now representing Maya, fighting to get her kids back and out of Children's Village where they have been for over two weeks.

"I have been doing family law for 20 years and I must say this shocks the conscience," Stern said. "I think we have a court with the best interest of children in mind. I think the judge was very concerned about reunification of this family, but went about it the wrong way.

"I know laws were violated and I know that the children were punished for crimes they did not commit."

The Tsimhoni kids are separated from both parents and now each other. Their mother isn't even allowed to visit.

Instead they are forced to live with troubled or neglected children and some who have committed crimes. But ironically, the Tsimhoni children did not.

FOX 2: "Even if the judge felt (their mother) was endangering these children, would this be the proper place to put these kids?"

"No," Stern said. "There are so many steps you can take before you can ... they would never get to a Children's Village."

"I want them back home," Tsimhoni said. "Help them heal, give them the love they need and deserve."

FOX 2 called Judge Gorcyca who did not respond, although judges can't comment on pending cases.

According to documents, they do plan to be in court again to review this case in September. She wants the kids to change but many feel this isn't the way.

FOX 2 called the father's attorney Kerri Middleditch and is waiting to hear back.

The father is the only one that has the power to change it. If he feels the kids learned their lesson, he could have them released. But the day after the hearing, he left for Israel for work and is not expected back for two weeks.

Their mother appealed for an emergency hearing to the same judge, who has denied it.

Stern says she is asking the chief judge in Oakland County Family Court to review the case Tuesday.

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#1. To: cranky (#0)

The father is the only one that has the power to change it. If he feels the kids learned their lesson, he could have them released. But the day after the hearing, he left for Israel for work and is not expected back for two weeks.

I was sympathetic to the father till I read that. He should have thanked the Judge for supporting his role with his children and then asked them to be released.

wmfights  posted on  2015-07-09   18:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: wmfights, cranky (#1) (Edited)

I wish I could have lunch with my dad one last time.
But sadly, that is not going to happen on this plain
of existence.

This thread makes me (almost) want to forgive my little
brother. (Even though he's a destructive selfish jerk.
Who calls our mother only about twice a year.
'Around' Mother's day and Christmas. That's all. Jerk.)

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-07-09   23:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: cranky (#0)

The children apparently have the key to the jail themselves: see their father for lunch. Essentially they stood up to the judge and said that no, they would do it their way. And the judge replied that no, you will do as I order you, and you will go to jail for disobedience. It's very much like the driver who refuses to stop for the cop. That never works out well for the driver.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-10   0:02:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

And the judge replied that no, you will do as I order you, and you will go to jail for disobedience.

Judges can do whatever they like in their own courtrooms (but especially, the can do what they like in chambers).

When they do what they like in open court (instead of following the law, rules or canons), it's called a 'precedent'.

It's good to be a judge.

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-07-10   7:28:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Chuck_Wagon (#2)

" I wish I could have lunch with my dad one last time. But sadly, that is not going to happen "

I am the same way Chuck. The day my Dad died, I was about 10 minutes too late getting there. Damn, to just have another day, or hour!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-07-11   17:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Stoner (#5)

...I was about 10 minutes too late...

When me and my mom got there he was unconscious.
We stayed for a while, then went home.
Then, around 3AM the phone calls came.
When the phone rang, I knew exactly what it was.

Sorry, Stoner.
But it really depends on the situation if it would
have made any difference, really.

If he had been awake - it would have been different -
and more heart-wrenching. But the way it was,
was the way it was.

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-07-11   20:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Chuck_Wagon (#6)

" Sorry, Stoner. But it really depends on the situation if it would have made any difference, really. "

You are wrong Chuck. I am not saying it would have made any difference. I just would have liked to have been with him at the end. And I would just like to have had a little more time with him. The same with my Mom.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-07-11   22:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Stoner (#7)

I just would have liked to have been with him at the end.

I understand. But my dad was unconcious at the end.
The constant morphine IV drip knocked him out.
I went to the hospice to see him that last day,
then thought to myself as I was standing there,
"I think this is going to be the last time I see
my Father alive." (I was right.)

When I got the phone call at 3AM that night, I knew
what it was before I answered it.

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-07-13   19:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: cranky (#0)

Tsimhoni admits the last five years have not been easy in and out of court through a messy divorce and allegations of parental kidnapping and alienation.

My hunch is that mommy has been poisoning her children against dad... and the judge probably has figured that out.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-07-13   20:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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