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Title: nolu chan contends an amendment to repeal the 2nd Amdt could be passed
Source: LF
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Published: Jul 9, 2015
Author: tpaine
Post Date: 2015-07-09 10:39:45 by tpaine
Keywords: None
Views: 79394
Comments: 255

The Congress proposes, and three-fourths of the states ratify the following amendment

AMENDMENT 28.

Section 1. The second article of amendment is hereby repealed.

Section 2. The individual right to keep and bear, buy, make, and use arms is limited to .22 caliber handguns only.

Section 3. All non-conforming guns must be surrendered to government authorities or destroyed within 30 days of ratification of this amendment.

Section 4. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


Poster Comment: During a discussion with Nolu Chan, he asserted that an amendment repealing the 2nd could be ratified, and become a valid part of our Constitution. I contend such an amendment would be unconstitutional. Comments?

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During a discussion with Nolu Chan, he asserted that an amendment repealing the 2nd could be ratified, and become a valid part of our Constitution. I contend such an amendment would be unconstitutional. Comments?

Nolu Chan is legally correct. Through the amendment process the Constitution can be amended to say anything, except removing equal representation in the Senate. THAT requires unanimity of the states.

The Constitution could be amended to require the sacrifice of first-born children. And if the sufficient majorities were found to vote for that, it would be "constitutional".

Of course, then treason, and seeking the overthrow and destruction of the Constitution, and supporting foreign invasion and annihilation of the American government, would be the only morally correct thing to do.

The Constitution does not guarantee MORAL content. The people have to do that. If the people become depraved and enact depraved laws, then "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed". America was always depraved. First there was slavery, then there was Indian genocide and segregation. Those things ended, but now we have abortion and the glorification of buggery.

Most people think that those evils - slavery, segregation, abortion, gay marriage - are "sufferable evils" and don't rebel. And that would be the case with the Second Amendment abolition also, were it to pass. (Truth is, it could not pass in the current environment).

Mandatory sacrifice of firstborn children would be bad enough to justify treason, and would swiftly result in its outbreak.

Traitors who win are called "Founding Fathers" of the new order they usher in.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-09   10:49:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#5. To: Vicomte13, tomder 55, gatlin (#3)

The Constitution could be amended to require the sacrifice of first-born children. And if the sufficient majorities were found to vote for that, it would be "constitutional".

Of course, then treason, and seeking the overthrow and destruction of the Constitution, and supporting foreign invasion and annihilation of the American government, would be the only morally correct thing to do.

You all contend that our only recourse from a majority passing amendments that take away our basic human rights is violence? - 'Treasonous' violence? - Civil war?

tpaine  posted on  2015-07-09 11:10:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Vicomte13, nolu chan (#3)

The text of the Seventeenth:

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect that the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

I see nothing requiring unanimity nor do I recall any other such unanimous requirements for amendments.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-09 13:01:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Vicomte13, tpaine, nolu chan (#3)

The Constitution could be amended to require the sacrifice of first-born children. And if the sufficient majorities were found to vote for that, it would be "constitutional"....

Hasn't Roe v Wade pretty much already succeeded in amending what's "constitutional" by sanctioning the "sacrifice" of babies -- without the consent of Congress? And gee -- a "sufficient majority" WAS found in supporting abortion's constitutionality: "The Rule of Five" said so. (or was it Six in this case?)

The Constitution does not guarantee MORAL content. The people have to do that.

Correct of course. The Constitution now guarantees that ONLY the whims of FIVE rogue justices become the "Law of the Land." Even were 300 million citizens were to object to those FIVE.

Houston, we've got a problem. A HUGE one. Even IF the 14A was eliminated.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-09 13:23:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

America was always depraved. First there was slavery, then there was Indian genocide and segregation. Those things ended, but now we have abortion and the glorification of buggery.

Disagree wholeheartedly on the above, Vic.

In the relative scheme of things, the America of yore was NOT fundamentally evil OR depraved. Its leadership and citizenry by and large WERE a moral people.

Contemporary America's standards teach a moral relativity. TOTALLY unlike the days of yore -- and even as recently as 50 years ago. Immorality and depravity are now glorified and sanctioned by America's leaders and institutions -- as well as an appreciable number citizenry. The morality as in the days of yore and defined by Biblical principles are now declared the new verboten.

"Always depraved"? Not by a million miles.

America was founded and governed fundamentally and extraordinarily morally and ethically. You can't just cherry-pick the way you have. Its few moral shortcomings were indeed addressed eventually and relatively rapidly -- unlike ANY civilization during the 5,000 prior years of history.

American became immoral and depraved since the regime of Bill Klintoon, accelerated at the speed of light under the anti-Christ, 0blabla, and his minions.

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-09 13:55:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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