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Title: nolu chan contends an amendment to repeal the 2nd Amdt could be passed
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Published: Jul 9, 2015
Author: tpaine
Post Date: 2015-07-09 10:39:45 by tpaine
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Comments: 255
The Congress proposes, and three-fourths of the states ratify the following amendment
AMENDMENT 28.
Section 1. The second article of amendment is hereby repealed.
Section 2. The individual right to keep and bear, buy, make, and use arms is limited to .22 caliber handguns only.
Section 3. All non-conforming guns must be surrendered to government authorities or destroyed within 30 days of ratification of this amendment.
Section 4. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Poster Comment:
During a discussion with Nolu Chan, he asserted that an amendment repealing the 2nd could be ratified, and become a valid part of our Constitution. I contend such an amendment would be unconstitutional. Comments?
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#9. To: tpaine, nolu chan (#0)
I contend such an amendment would be unconstitutional. Comments? Yes, I have a comment (or two.) Chan is only the bearer of bad (obvious) news. Don't kill the messenger. "Unconstitutional" is now in the eye of the beholder of nine justices of SCOTUS. We now have a "living breathing" Constitution. Just five tyrants of SCOTUS have already interpreted the Founders intent any way they want (emotionally), and changed federal law (without Congressional or State consent.) What exactly would stop SCOTUS from repealing the 2A? Congress?? "Public outrage? HA! Precedence has been set. Paine, I admire your commitment to the Fairy Tale that is the "US Constitution," but recent Presidents have ignored it; Congress has ignored it; And SCOTUS ignores it....In other words: "It's dead, Jim." that SCOTUS
He asked, "Does this mean you would contend that an amendment could be passed that prohibited our inalienable rights to buy, make, or use guns?" [emphasis added] I replied with an example of such an Amendment and asked how it could be struck down. I did not advocate for such an Amendment, but only observed that the people, as the sovereigns, have the power to do it. I would advocate for an amendment strengthening the RKBA and 2nd Amdt. What would prevent an amendment taking away the RKBA today would be the requirement of getting 38 states to ratify it.
I asked, "Does this mean you would contend that an amendment could be passed that prohibited our inalienable rights to buy, make, or use guns?" [emphasis added] And I read your example, and observed that it seemed you advocated the power of the people to pass such an unconstitutional act.. It's unfortunate you didn't revise your comments over on the other thread, isn't it..
No. It led you to make an ass of yourself.
It's unfortunate you didn't revise your comments over on the other thread, isn't it.. Sigh, another silly, uncalled for pejorative flame.. -- Very unprofessional for a guy trying to pass himself off as one..
Of course, I have no need to revise my comments. You asked "Does this mean you would contend that an amendment could be passed that prohibited our inalienable rights to buy, make, or use guns? " I correctly affirmed that such an amendment could be passed. I answered the question you asked. Your arguments, if tried in court, would result in Rule 11 sanctions. "There is no room for a pure heart, empty head defense under Rule 11." First Nat. Bank and Trust Co. of Vinita v. Kissee (1993), 1993 OK 96, 859 P.2d 502 Does Obama enjoy the power you espouse to ignore the Court and the laws? Does his interpretation of the Constitution and the laws supplant that of the Court for the Executive branch? Can Barack Obama lawfully deem that he is not required to comply with the immigration laws and can permit open borders, and take no action on illegal immigration? Can Obama lawfully deem 12-million illegal aliens to be citizens? Can Obama lawfully deem he can authorize the naturalization of an illegal alien?
I asked, "Does this mean you would contend that an amendment could be passed that prohibited our inalienable rights to buy, make, or use guns?" And I read your example, and observed that it seemed you advocated the power of the people to pass such an unconstitutional act.. It's unfortunate you didn't revise your comments over on the other thread, isn't it.. You affirmed such a power, and provided an example of how such an amendment could be worded. You did not indicate that you would not advocate the power to so amend. It's unfortunate you didn't post that revision. Well, we're not in court, but I do have a pure heart. As for empty heads, I suggest you address gatlin, our empty head expert..
No need to address this, chan. It is quite obvious that everyone showed tpaine to be wrong. And tpaine will never man up to admit he was wrong. It is now quite evident that tpaine is no Constitutional expert. He is what he is....just an opinionated, bullheaded idiot.
It is now quite evident that tpaine is no Constitutional expert. He is what he is.. Yep, I'm a retired building contractor, who has never claimed to be a constitutional expert, -- but it's an easy to read document, and our common sense tell us that it did NOT give a moral super majority the power to amend away our inalienable rights, outlined in the Bill of Rights.
It most certainly did.
--- it's an easy to read document, and our common sense tell us that it did NOT give a moralistic super majority the power to amend away our inalienable rights, as outlined in the Bill of Rights. Thanks for your fiat opinion. - You've made big brownie points with gatlin and chan.
Don't care. You may chose to continue to live in your fantasy world but most of us do understand what the Constitution means and fully understand that even the Bill of Rights can be modified or nullified if there are enough votes for that to happen. And there is not thing one that SOCTUS can do about it.
Why do 'most' of you WANT to give that power to a moralistic super majority, -- like the tea-totaling idiots that prohibited booze? To date, no one on this forum, LP, or FR, has ever been able to explain why such majority rule would be desirable. And I'd bet you can't either...
To date, no one on this forum, LP, or FR, has ever been able to explain why such majority rule would be desirable. I don't think some folks understand that they shouldn't just be accepting what is going on, that they should be fighting it instead. Oh wait never mind PC has taken over and they just want to "get along" so some dumbasses will like them. "SPIT"!!!
Why do 'most' of you WANT to give that power to a moralistic super majority, -- like the tea-totaling idiots that prohibited booze? To date, no one on this forum, LP, or FR, has ever been able to explain why such majority rule would be desirable. (In a Constitutional sense) And typically, like gatlin and grandisland, they quit when challenged. - Pitiful little people..
#136. To: tpaine, CZ82 (#134) I don't think I've noted over the months I've been lurking that there are quite a few of you who too often don't. Kluane posted on 2015-07-10 19:02:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply And then (just like clockwork) yukon comes running to their rescue!! LOL.
#172. To: Gatlin (#170)
I think the correct analogy would be "amuses the hell out of them".
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestDuring a discussion with Nolu Chan, he asserted that an amendment repealing the 2nd could be ratified, and become a valid part of our Constitution.
#87. To: Liberator, tpaine (#9)
Chan is only the bearer of bad (obvious) news. Don't kill the messenger.
#94. To: nolu chan (#87)
I replied with an example of such an Amendment and asked how it could be struck down. ---- I did not advocate for such an Amendment, but only observed that the people, as the sovereigns, have the power to do it.
I would advocate for an amendment strengthening the RKBA and 2nd Amdt. -- What would prevent an amendment taking away the RKBA today would be the requirement of getting 38 states to ratify it.
#98. To: tpaine (#94)
It's unfortunate you didn't revise your comments over on the other thread, isn't it..
#101. To: nolu chan (#98)
No. It led you to make an ass of yourself.
#109. To: tpaine (#101)
It's unfortunate you didn't revise your comments over on the other thread, isn't it..
#117. To: nolu chan, gatlin, Y'ALL (#109)
I replied with an example of such an Amendment and asked how it could be struck down. ---- I did not advocate for such an Amendment, but only observed that the people, as the sovereigns, have the power to do it.
I would advocate for an amendment strengthening the RKBA and 2nd Amdt. -- What would prevent an amendment taking away the RKBA today would be the requirement of getting 38 states to ratify it.
Of course, I have no need to revise my comments. You asked "Does this mean you would contend that an amendment could be passed that prohibited our inalienable rights to buy, make, or use guns? " I correctly affirmed that such an amendment could be passed. I answered the question you asked.
Your arguments, if tried in court, would result in Rule 11 sanctions. --- "There is no room for a pure heart, empty head defense under Rule 11." First Nat. Bank and Trust Co. of Vinita v. Kissee (1993), 1993 OK 96, 859 P.2d 502>>
#119. To: tpaine, nolu chan, ALL (#117)
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I suggest you address gatlin, our empty head expert..
#120. To: Gatlin, Nolu Chan, Y'ALL (#119)
#121. To: tpaine, Gatlin, Nolu Chan (#120)
but it's an easy to read document, and our common sense tell us that it did NOT give a moral super majority the power to amend away our inalienable rights, outlined in the Bill of Rights.
#123. To: SOSO, gatlin, nolu chan, Y'ALL (#121)
It most certainly did. --- SOSO
#125. To: tpaine, gatlin, nolu chan, Y'ALL (#123)
You've made big brownie points with gatlin and chan.
#126. To: SOSO, gatlin, nolu chan, Y'ALL (#125)
--- most of us do understand what the Constitution means and fully understand that even the Bill of Rights can be modified or nullified if there are enough votes for that to happen.
#129. To: tpaine (#126)
Why do 'most' of you WANT to give that power to a moralistic super majority, -- like the tea-totaling idiots that prohibited booze?
#134. To: CZ82, gatlin, grandisland, y'all (#129)
I don't think some folks understand that they shouldn't just be accepting what is going on, that they should be fighting it instead.
#151. To: tpaine, A K A Stone, Liberator, redleghunter, nativist nationalist (#134)
And typically, like gatlin and grandisland, they quit when challenged. - Pitiful little people..
#152. To: CZ82 (#151)
And then (just like clockwork) yukon comes running to their rescue!! LOL.
#169. To: Gatlin (#152)
I have a sneaking suspicion he won't be here long
#170. To: CZ82 (#169)
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That he is still on everyone's mind and bugs the Hell out of them with the mere mention of his name...
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