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Here Are Receipts" Status: Not Logged In; Sign In U.S. Constitution See other U.S. Constitution Articles Title: nolu chan contends an amendment to repeal the 2nd Amdt could be passed Source: LF URL Source: [None] Published: Jul 9, 2015 Author: tpaine Post Date: 2015-07-09 10:39:45 by tpaine Keywords: None Views: 91377 Comments: 255 The Congress proposes, and three-fourths of the states ratify the following amendment AMENDMENT 28. Section 1. The second article of amendment is hereby repealed. Section 2. The individual right to keep and bear, buy, make, and use arms is limited to .22 caliber handguns only. Section 3. All non-conforming guns must be surrendered to government authorities or destroyed within 30 days of ratification of this amendment. Section 4. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Poster Comment: During a discussion with Nolu Chan, he asserted that an amendment repealing the 2nd could be ratified, and become a valid part of our Constitution. I contend such an amendment would be unconstitutional. Comments? Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 142. #54. To: tpaine, Nolu Chan, liberator, A K A Stone (#0) During a discussion with Nolu Chan, he asserted that an amendment repealing the 2nd could be ratified, and become a valid part of our Constitution. I contend such an amendment would be unconstitutional. Comments? First off, creating a vanity thread to call out another poster is bad manners. Second, I looked at comments so far and one of two possibilities are evident: 1. Chan is showing restraint and dignity in not responding to your carnival barking. or 2. His response is forthcoming and no doubt he will hand you your 4th point of contact (for the civilians in the room the 4th point of contact is what you sit on; for paratroopers it is the 'fourth point' of the body hitting the ground in a 'dynamite' parachute landing fall [PLF]) redleghunter  posted on  2015-07-09   17:26:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: redleghunter (#54) During a discussion with Nolu Chan, he asserted that an amendment repealing the 2nd could be ratified, and become a valid part of our Constitution. I contend such an amendment would be unconstitutional. Comments? First off, creating a vanity thread to call out another poster is bad manners. That's your opinion, and I see you've pinged AKA Stone to give us his, --- but I think we're here to discuss the issues of the day, and Chan has certainly raised one by insisting the 2nd could be repealed. Second, I looked at comments so far and one of two possibilities are evident: - -- 1. Chan is showing restraint and dignity in not responding to your carnival barking. --- or ---- 2. His response is forthcoming and no doubt he will hand you your 4th point of contact (for the civilians in the room the 4th point of contact is what you sit on; for paratroopers it is the 'fourth point' of the body hitting the ground in a 'dynamite' parachute landing fall [PLF]) I served a couple of years in the 503rd and 502nd regiments, so your attempts to instruct me about 'PLF' is as silly as your "carnival barking" about this thread. By all means, come back when you have a real point to discuss.. tpaine  posted on  2015-07-09   20:35:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #107. To: tpaine (#61) Yes the point is several posters have confirmed any Amendment can be amended. Perhaps a more accurate way of asking your question is: Can our enumerated rights, the Bill of Rights be amended? Short answer is yes. Long answer is if we do we scrap the philosophical founding of our nation, the DoI. It all goes back to the terms used by the founders of "self evident" and "endowed by their Creator." If our government decided to amend any of the enumerated rights, the response of freedom loving people should be similar to this: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.ht ml redleghunter  posted on  2015-07-10   2:01:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #116. To: redleghunter, nolu chan, y'all (#107) -- the point is several posters have confirmed any Amendment can be amended. -- - Perhaps a more accurate way of asking your question is: ---- Can our enumerated rights, the Bill of Rights be amended? --- Short answer is yes. I contend that an attempt to amend away our enumerated basic human rights would violate the basic principles inherent in our constitution, -- and therefore would be unconstitutional. Long answer is if we do we scrap the philosophical founding of our nation, the DoI. So essentially, we agree. Thanks.. It all goes back to the terms used by the founders of "self evident" and "endowed by their Creator." ----- If our government decided to amend any of the enumerated rights, the response of freedom loving people should be similar to this: ------- When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. Here's one of my points: - If a super majority somehow ratifies an amendment to repeal the 2nd, -- the remaining minority has the constitutional right to use every non-violent means available to fight, before resorting to armed separation/rebellion.. tpaine  posted on  2015-07-10   11:15:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #142. To: tpaine, redleghunter (#116) I contend that an attempt to amend away our enumerated basic human rights would violate the basic principles inherent in our constitution, -- and therefore would be unconstitutional. /sarc. The entire Constitution is unconstitutional, and null and void, as it was proposed and ratified in violation of then existing organic law, the Articles of Confederation. Article 13 clearly and explicitly stated: Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State. The Constitution was proposed to be effective upon the ratification of NINE states. The new constitutional government was formed and George Washington was inaugurated as its new President, after the ratification by ELEVEN states. See: The Congressional Register; or History of the Proceedings and Debates of the First House of Representatives of the United States of America; Namely, New-Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New-York, New-Jersey, Pennsyvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, South-Carolina, and Georgia. Being the ELEVEN STATES that have Ratified the Constitution of the Government of the United States. Containing an Impartial Account of The most interesting Speeches and Motions; and accurate Copies of remarkable Papers laid before and offered to the House.. Taken in short hand by Thomas Lloyd. Volume I New-York, Printed for the Editor by Harrison and Purdy, M,DCC,LXXXIX North Carolina and Rhode Island had not ratified. Congressional Register Volume 1, aka Lloyd's Debates (1789) By what lawful authority or power was the "perpetual union" under the Articles of Confederation destroyed, and a new union of ELEVEN states formed? How could any alteration lawfully be done when the Articles provide that they will be inviolably observed by every state, and no alteration could be made unless confirmed by the legislature of every state? How was the Bill of Rights passed through Congress with only ELEVEN states in the union? Is the Constitution unlawful, null and void? If not, why not? nolu chan  posted on  2015-07-10   19:51:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 142.         There are no replies to Comment # 142. End Trace Mode for Comment # 142. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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