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Section 1. The second article of amendment is hereby repealed. Section 2. The individual right to keep and bear, buy, make, and use arms is limited to .22 caliber handguns only. Section 3. All non-conforming guns must be surrendered to government authorities or destroyed within 30 days of ratification of this amendment. Section 4. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Poster Comment: During a discussion with Nolu Chan, he asserted that an amendment repealing the 2nd could be ratified, and become a valid part of our Constitution. I contend such an amendment would be unconstitutional. Comments? Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 104. #54. To: tpaine, Nolu Chan, liberator, A K A Stone (#0) During a discussion with Nolu Chan, he asserted that an amendment repealing the 2nd could be ratified, and become a valid part of our Constitution. I contend such an amendment would be unconstitutional. Comments? First off, creating a vanity thread to call out another poster is bad manners. Second, I looked at comments so far and one of two possibilities are evident: 1. Chan is showing restraint and dignity in not responding to your carnival barking. or 2. His response is forthcoming and no doubt he will hand you your 4th point of contact (for the civilians in the room the 4th point of contact is what you sit on; for paratroopers it is the 'fourth point' of the body hitting the ground in a 'dynamite' parachute landing fall [PLF]) redleghunter  posted on  2015-07-09   17:26:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: redleghunter (#54) During a discussion with Nolu Chan, he asserted that an amendment repealing the 2nd could be ratified, and become a valid part of our Constitution. I contend such an amendment would be unconstitutional. Comments? First off, creating a vanity thread to call out another poster is bad manners. That's your opinion, and I see you've pinged AKA Stone to give us his, --- but I think we're here to discuss the issues of the day, and Chan has certainly raised one by insisting the 2nd could be repealed. Second, I looked at comments so far and one of two possibilities are evident: - -- 1. Chan is showing restraint and dignity in not responding to your carnival barking. --- or ---- 2. His response is forthcoming and no doubt he will hand you your 4th point of contact (for the civilians in the room the 4th point of contact is what you sit on; for paratroopers it is the 'fourth point' of the body hitting the ground in a 'dynamite' parachute landing fall [PLF]) I served a couple of years in the 503rd and 502nd regiments, so your attempts to instruct me about 'PLF' is as silly as your "carnival barking" about this thread. By all means, come back when you have a real point to discuss.. tpaine  posted on  2015-07-09   20:35:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #62. To: tpaine, redleghunter, nolu chan (#61) I said to you before that you need to listen to nolu chan. I now say to you that you need to also listen to redleghunter. It will be to your advantage to learn from them. Gatlin  posted on  2015-07-09   20:44:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #64. To: Gatlin (#62) I said to you before that you need to listen to nolu chan. I now say to you that you need to also listen to redleghunter. It will be to your advantage to learn from them. Never fear my boy, I'm learning a lot from all you authoritarians. -- And I'm sure others here are. Probably, they're learning more about your politics than you want them to know.. tpaine  posted on  2015-07-09   21:04:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #68. To: tpaine (#64) (Edited) Just so you know, every piece of content about the US Constitution can be destroyed by legislative acts. The Bill of Rights or any Amendments are not exonerated from the legislative process, either; I assume you think the Bill of Rights are built on a bedrock or fixed foundation that is unshakable. What is really sad is the government knows this FACT. That is why America is sinking into a cesspool of illegal immigration; it is to liberalize the foundations of America by creating a fascist government by clever opinions outside of American cultural norms or societal standards. Just as the Confederate Flag goes away for some of the states; just as the Ten Commandments goes away for some of the states; so goes the second amendment. buckeroo  posted on  2015-07-09   21:14:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #71. To: buckeroo, tpaine, nolu chan, All (#68) The Bill of Rights or any Amendments are not exonerated from the legislative process, either; I assume you think the Bill of Rights are built on a bedrock or fixed foundation that is unshakable. The only rights that one has in the real world are the rights that one can defend. Otherwise it's Katy bar the door. SOSO  posted on  2015-07-09   21:23:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #96. To: SOSO, nolu chan (#71) The only rights we have in the real world are those rights we can defend. The way I look at it, when you drill down to the core, all liberty repose in the rules of evidence. You have the liberty to do everything permitted by the laws of physics: you CAN do whatever is POSSIBLE to do. The real question is whether you will be punished or not for doing it. And THAT is really determined, first and foremost, by whether anybody can prove you did it before a tribunal. Likewise, the authorities CAN charge you with anything, whether you're innocent or not, and seek your incarceration or death. In all such cases, guilt or innocence is decided by the tribunal by applying rules, and the rules that matter most are the rules that determine what your accusers get to say to the trier of fact, and what you get to say in rebuttal. Who has the "burden of proof" is usually dospositive. And THAT is why all liberty ultimately repose in the rules of evidence Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-09   22:48:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #102. To: Vicomte13, nolu chan, buckeroo (#96) And THAT is why all liberty ultimately repose in the rules of evidence I totally disagree. Irrespective of what the written law may be, practice trumps it. No tribunal, be it a judge or jury or whatever, is ever bound or forced to reach its decision on the basis of evidence. Kanagroo courts abound, always have and always will. A law that isn't enforced is de facto not a law. Histroy is on my side on this. SOSO  posted on  2015-07-09   23:07:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #104. To: SOSO (#102) But even kangaroo cots feel constrained to set up a procedure, to have a "court". Within our system in America, our prosecutors all powers and abuses often render our justice system kangaroo courts. But they are still bound by the rules of evidence, and if they ignore procedure in their rush to judgement, they are subject to multiple levels of review. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-09   23:54:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 104. #105. To: Vicomte13 (#104) But they are still bound by the rules of evidence, and if they ignore procedure in their rush to judgement, they are subject to multiple levels of review. Let's see what happens to those Baltimore cops. SOSO  posted on  2015-07-10 00:01:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 104. 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