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Title: Trump: I'm not thinking third party -- for now
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/t ... -party-for-now/article/2567803
Published: Jul 8, 2015
Author: Byron York
Post Date: 2015-07-08 09:52:00 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 1543
Comments: 25

Donald Trump's 2016 presidential run seems custom-made for a third party. The billionaire developer has never held political office, never run as a Republican or Democrat. He doesn't need a party's money-raising apparatus. His anti-politician appeal — "Politicians are never going to bring us to the promised land" — cuts equally against Republicans and Democrats. And as far as Republicans are concerned, Trump appears to connect with GOP voters who are so disgusted with the party's current Washington leadership that they would be open to a third-party campaign.

But in an interview Tuesday, Trump said he has no interest in running as a third-party candidate, at least for the moment.

"I've had many, many people ask me about running as an independent," Trump told me in a telephone conversation. "My sole focus is to run as a Republican. I'm a conservative Republican."

"My sole focus is to run as a Republican," Trump repeated, "because of the fact that I believe that is the best way we can defeat the Democrats."

When I asked Trump to elaborate on why he would stay in the GOP, Trump cited his rising position in the polls, the big crowds he attracts, and his profile in the race. "We've hit a nerve," he said.

Still, Trump could hit a nerve as a self-funded independent. And as an independent, he would not be subject to the "three tickets out of Iowa"-style analysis that can put pressure on candidates who don't succeed early. So why tie himself to the GOP? "I believe I'm the only one who can beat Hillary Clinton," Trump explained. "Having a two-party race gives us a much better chance of beating Hillary and bringing our country back than having a third-party candidate."

At that point, I asked Trump about Ross Perot's third-party run in 1992, in which Perot won 19 percent of the popular vote. Did Trump believe Perot was a spoiler in that election?

"Totally," Trump said. "I think every single vote that went to Ross Perot came from [George H.W.] Bush...Virtually every one of his 19 percentage points came from the Republicans. If Ross Perot didn't run, you have never heard of Bill Clinton."

In the course of a brief talk, Trump made a strong case for staying in the Republican party. But he left the door ever so slightly cracked at the end, when I asked if he would definitively rule out a third-party run. "It's something I'm not thinking about right now," Trump said, "because I'm doing well within the Republican ranks, and that gives us the best chance of defeating Hillary Clinton."

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#17. To: TooConservative (#0)

What Trump ought to do is run hard, with his mouth wide open, throughout the primary season: build support in every state, get Republicans behind him - and angry at the other Republican candidates.

Get independents excited too.

Then, if he gets the nomination, go beat Hillary.

And if he doesn't, declare that his campaign will continue and take himself and his apparatus and most of his motivated voters, and the independents too, right out of the GOP.

And then, as an Independent, call on Democrats to abandon useless Hillary and join him.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-10   10:58:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

The dream of Perot never dies, eh?

Unfortunately, that is just a way to elect another Xlinton. Perhaps the only way another Xlinton can win the WH.

Frankly, I find it a little disingenuous that you pretend to take Trump seriously. You know quite well what an arrogant, impulsive gasbag and carnival barker he really is. I assume your new enthusiasm for Trump is primarily just your longstanding desire for unending GOP defeats, even assuming that Hitlery will pack the Court so full of liberals that all the things you say you oppose most (abortion, sodomy marriage, etc.) will certainly become ironclad constitutional law.

And spare me your third-party fantasies. The American system is far too resistant to any third-party. Third parties only succeed in dividing enough votes to elect the opponent the partisans oppose most (Republicans voting for Perot in '92, Dems voting for Nader in 2000, etc.).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-07-10   11:50:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TooConservative (#18)

Unfortunately, that is just a way to elect another Xlinton.

Well, then you Republicans will have a choice: vote for Trump, or get Clinton.

You had that choice with Perot too: vote for Perot, or get Clinton.

I don't regret my vote for Perot in 1992. It meant Clinton, and I was ok with that. The alternative, letting Bush 41 have the White House again after I read his lips and he lied to my face with them, well, getting rid of him was worth putting up with 8 years of Clinton. Yes it was.

If I could go back to 1992, knowing what I know now, I would still vote for Perot, because he was the best candidate. The only question is whether you Republicans would also vote for Perot, to defeat Clinton, or if you'd go through 8 years of Clinton AGAIN, just to block Perot, even though he was clearly the better man.

From listening to you guys, I'm confident that you'd give the White House to Clinton rather than letting Perot win.

And you'll give the White House to Hillary rather than let Trump win.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-10   15:15:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#20)

I'm confident that you'd {The GOPe] give the White House to Clinton rather than letting Perot win.

And you'll give the White House to Hillary rather than let Trump win.

I agree with your premise... But just to be clear, we ARE discussing the values and wishes of the Establishment Republicans and their Vichy RNC leadership (which hate and reject constitutional, Tea Party and social/economic conservatism more the Dem Party.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-07-10   15:49:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#23. To: Liberator (#21)

But just to be clear, we ARE discussing the values and wishes of the Establishment Republicans and their Vichy RNC leadership (which hate and reject constitutional, Tea Party and social/economic conservatism more the Dem Party.)

I'm talking about the Republican Party as it really is: the men and women who control it, who provide its money and set its policies. Tea Partiers and the socio-economic conservatives are the duped rubes of the Republican Plantation; the Charlie Browns for whom Lucy always removes the football, always. These are the folks who THINK they're stalwart Republicans, and who vote that way, but who are, in truth, the Republican equivalent of Black ghetto Democrat voters: people who always vote Democrat, who are flattered by the real Democrats, and who get nothing but crumbs.

You and I are that: ghetto Republicans (or former), duped rubes, Charlie Browns. We're the Bubbas for whom the Real Republicans provide the boob bait, to get our votes, our petty little contributions, and our tongues to lick envelopes and make phone calls. The rank-and-file who feel "part" of the "Grand Old Party", but who really are just cattle feed.

The Establishment Republicans are, and always will be, the masters of the Republican Party. There is no way to "take over" the Country Club.

Eventually, smart people get kicked in the teeth enough to realize that.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-07-10 18:02:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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