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Title: Russia outraged by Poland's removal of Soviet war memorial
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Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015 ... monument-idUSKCN0PE0H220150704
Published: Jul 5, 2015
Author: Marcin Goettig and Polina Devitt
Post Date: 2015-07-05 13:11:52 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 5046
Comments: 34
Russia said on Saturday it was outraged by Poland's destruction of a Soviet war monument, warning Warsaw of the "most negative consequences" after what it said was a flagrant violation of an agreement between the two countries on protecting memorial sites. Poland has been one of the most vocal critics of Russia's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula in 2014. Russia and Poland share a history of conflicts and the disagreement over war memorials is likely to add to tensions. "Warsaw must finally understand that the 'war of monuments' unleashed in Poland may have the most negative consequences, for which the responsibility lies squarely with its initiators," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement. Authorities in the western Polish town of Nowa Sol took down the brotherhood-in-arms of Polish and Red Army soldiers memorial at the end of June, reducing it to a pile of rubble. "The monument was large (dozen tonnes of concrete), ugly, always dirty with rust leaking out of the abyss of its emptiness, like blood or tears," Wadim Tyszkiewicz, Nowa Sol's mayor said on his Facebook profile earlier this week. "FLAGRANT VIOLATION" The Russian ministry described the Polish action as an "unfriendly move" and a "direct and flagrant" violation of a 1994 agreement between Poland and the Russian Federation on memorial sites. "One gets an impression that the mockery of our memorial sites in Poland has been built into the state policy," the Russian ministry said. Poland's foreign ministry spokesman Marcin Wojciechowski told Reuters the move in Nowa Sol did not violate the agreement, which Poland believes only concerns cemeteries. Russia says it concerns all war memorials. "Issues regarding monuments are within the competencies of relevant local authorities," Wojciechowski said. A monument in Warsaw's Skaryszewski park commemorating Soviet soldiers who died in 1944 is regularly sprayed over with paint, despite close monitoring from the Warsaw police. Poland was under Soviet occupation for over four decades following the Second World War. The last Russian soldiers left in 1993, 54 years after the first Soviet troops attacked the country in 1939, two weeks after the invasion launched by Nazi Germany. Many Poles, now national heroes praised for their fight for independence, were persecuted by Soviet authorities after the war. Many were executed. "Times have changed. We have grown up. The Russians are long gone," Nowa Sol's mayor said. "There is no extraordinary ideology here." Poster Comment: Good for the Poles... they need to eliminate all those Soviet monuments before they become a national embarrassment like our Confederacy.
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#1. To: Obama's Willie (#0)
You ISIS and leftards like destroying history.
Your derangement is endless as well as mindless. The uncivil war destroyed America. Its a wound that will not heel. Your understanding of American history is that of a socialist. One sided and full of propaganda. Maybe before you pass from this world you will see the truth. Like almost all wars it was fought over power to control others.
Was this a memorial or a monument? There is a difference. Memorials are for the honored dead and monuments are there to extol something. I am OK with memorials being untouched but OK with monuments being moved or destroyed if they outlived their usefulness. The weird thing about current Poland is that their official animosity is against a fellow Slav nation and it probably has to do with religion. The Germans have killed more Poles than the Russians or the Soviets in both WW2 and over historical time. If I was a Pole, I would hate on the Germans more than the Russians based on that but because now that the Cold war is over and historical ethnic/religious rivalries are reborn this hate falls on Russia by the Poles.
What makes you think the Poles want to see daily reminders of being invanded and conquered by the Red Army and the Nazi's? It's not like Poland and the USSR were allies. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
This is all Putin needs to invade Poland.
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I think it has to do with being invaded by the Soviets and being turned into a vassal state of the USSR against their will. I do understand why you don't understand that,though. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
He doesn't really need anything. Who is going to stop him? Certainly not Barry Obomber. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I think it has to do with being invaded by the Soviets and being turned into a vassal state of the USSR against their will. I do understand why you don't understand that,though. Something the Germans did to Poland also and were much more brutal than the Soviets were. Historically, the Germans have invaded Poland as many times as Russia and because the Germans are not Slavs were much more brutal to a people they historically considered sub human (or less than the Germans). This German hatred of Slavs is centuries old and vice versa.
HorseHillary! That's like saying one side of the dime is wroth less than the other side of the dime. The Nazi's and your beloved Soviets were allies that split Poland,and they were both brutal mass murderers. Besides,your comment was about a "fellow Slav nation". How does Germany fit in there other than being your "go to place" to try to lessen the horrors of Soviet actions by drawing attention away from them? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The Nazis set up death camps in Poland that turned people into soap and they planned on genocide the Polish people. As bad as the Soviets were, the Germans were a new circle in hell in comparison. The Germans wiped out Warsaw from the map. The Russians never eliminated a Polish city and its inhabitants.
Still working as an apologist for your Uncle Joe,are you? Does the " Katyn Forest massacre" ring any bells for you? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Better a life under Stalin if you are of a certain ethnic group like a Slav or a Jew than under Hitler.
Weak,very,very weak. BTW,what ethnic group were the corpses in the Katyn Forest? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I would say he has forgotten that his "Uncle Josef" stood by and watched while the Germans eliminated the Warsaw uprising partisans. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
He knows that. He knows the Soviets and the Nazi's had an agreement to invade Polan and split it up between them. He just doesn't want to admit it. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Ah yes those little inconvenient truths that always ruin his side of the story. He'll probably come back with some "SPIN" job about how Uncle Josef was resting and resupplying his troops before the next big push, and were "totally incapable of helping" the Poles. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You forget that for some guys it is an argument AGAINST Stalin.
Red Army was so mighty that they did not need rest or supplies. The only reason they did not got to Berlin in couple weeks was spite and laziness.
What's the Russian words for "living space"? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
"Siberia"? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Steppes, forests and taiga.
He knows that. He knows the Soviets and the Nazi's had an agreement to invade Polan and split it up between them. He just doesn't want to admit it. And before that Poland had an agreement with the Nazis to invade and divide Czechoslovakia when Stalin wanted to help the Czechs and asked for England and France to all declare war on Germany. After that Stalin cut his losses and made a deal with Germany to gain Russia a much needed buffer. Poland and the USSR had already fought a war and Poland invaded a Soviet ally and taken land from them. http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/2003/poland.htm Poland is often called the first victim of World War II -- invaded and divided by Hitler and Stalin in 1939. Almost forgotten is the startling fact that, only months before before Hitler invaded Poland, Poland joined Hitler in dismembering Czechoslovakia! Stalin was not an ally of Hitler's Germany nor was Poland but they both made common cause with Hitler over land annexations.
The Red Army also invaded Finland. Stalin was not an ally of Hitler's Germany Yes,he was. He leased land in Russia for 1930's Germany to develop the equipment and tactics they used to start WW-2. Germany was forbidden from manufacturing or owning aggressive military equipment due to the Treaty of Versailles and needed somewhere to operate away from the prying eyes of the victors of WW-1. Hitler got it from his goomba Stalin. The signed treaty was found in the KGB archives after the USSR collapsed. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Steppes, forests and taiga. I was thinking more along the lines of all of those countries they "liberated" from the Nazis and occupied for over 40 years under the boot called Communism... Or is "Living space" the wrong verbage to be using since they just "stole" everything that wasn't nailed down and took it back to that schitthole called the Soviet Union? (Oh wait didn't the Nazis do that too)? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Like I wrote,"Siberia" is the Russian word for living space. It's where they traditionally send the people that cause them trouble. It's a big place with plenty of room for everybody,and plenty of jobs clearing forests and digging mines. ...to be using since they just "stole" everything that wasn't nailed down and took it back to that schitthole called the Soviet Union? (Oh wait didn't the Nazis do that too)? Thus their buddy-buddy relationship with Hitler,right up to the point where he invaded Russia. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
English sent such people to Australia. So?
You need to broaden your education and level of understanding if you equate Australia with Siberia. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Australia was worse.
It depends on where you go in Australia, some areas are very nice and some places are the most inhospitable you can imagine. Freeze to death in Siberia or sweat to death in the Outback, some choice. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
The worst thing was one way ticket. If you were exiled for 5 years to Siberia you could buy train ticket back. Look up how Lenin "suffered" there. It was not Gulag and he fixed it later. Brits would hang him instead.
I've always liked the Brits and that just gives me another reason as to why I like them, although lately I think they're getting soft. It takes a little while to get used to their sense of humor, if you don't watch the daily news on the BBC then you wouldn't "get it". “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
LOL! You have a really odd sense of humor. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yeah,but NONE of them had labor camps. Freeze to death in Siberia or sweat to death in the Outback, some choice. I think I would choose to sweat in a country where I had free movement and the right to own property. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Brits would hang him instead. See? Even you admit the Brits are smarter. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#2. To: Willie Green (#0)
Good for the Poles... they need to eliminate all those Soviet monuments before they become a national embarrassment like our Confederacy.(1 image)
#3. To: Justified, Willie Green, A K A Stone (#2)
#4. To: A K A Stone (#1)
You ISIS and leftards like destroying history.
#5. To: A K A Stone (#1)
#6. To: Pericles (#3)
The weird thing about current Poland is that their official animosity is against a fellow Slav nation and it probably has to do with religion.
#7. To: redleghunter (#5)
This is all Putin needs to invade Poland.
#8. To: sneakypete (#6)
The weird thing about current Poland is that their official animosity is against a fellow Slav nation and it probably has to do with religion.
#9. To: Pericles (#8)
Something the Germans did to Poland also and were much more brutal than the Soviets were.
#10. To: sneakypete (#9)
The Nazi's and your beloved Soviets were allies that split Poland,and they were both brutal mass murderers.
#11. To: Pericles (#10)
The Nazis set up death camps in Poland that turned people into soap and they planned on genocide the Polish people. As bad as the Soviets were, the Germans were a new circle in hell in comparison. The Germans wiped out Warsaw from the map. The Russians never eliminated a Polish city and its inhabitants.
#12. To: sneakypete (#11)
#13. To: Pericles (#12)
Better a life under Stalin if you are of a certain ethnic group like a Slav or a Jew than under Hitler.
#14. To: sneakypete, Pimpicles (#11)
The Russians never eliminated a Polish city and its inhabitants.
#15. To: CZ82 (#14)
I would say he has forgotten that his "Uncle Josef" stood by and watched while the Germans eliminated the Warsaw uprising partisans.
#16. To: sneakypete (#15)
He just doesn't want to admit it.
#17. To: Pericles (#12)
Better a life under Stalin if you are of a certain ethnic group like a Slav or a Jew than under Hitler.
#18. To: CZ82 (#16)
He'll probably come back with some "SPIN" job about how Uncle Josef was resting and resupplying his troops before the next big push, and were "totally incapable of helping" the Poles
#19. To: A Pole, sneakypete (#18)
The only reason they did not got to Berlin in couple weeks was spite and laziness.
#20. To: CZ82, A Pole (#19)
What's the Russian words for "living space"?
#21. To: CZ82 (#19)
#22. To: sneakypete, CZ82 (#15)
I would say he has forgotten that his "Uncle Josef" stood by and watched while the Germans eliminated the Warsaw uprising partisans.
#23. To: Pericles (#22)
Poland is often called the first victim of World War II -- invaded and divided by Hitler and Stalin in 1939. Almost forgotten is the startling fact that, only months before before Hitler invaded Poland, Poland joined Hitler in dismembering Czechoslovakia!
#24. To: A Pole, sneakypete (#21)
What's the Russian words for "living space"?
#25. To: CZ82 (#24)
Or is "Living space" the wrong verbage...
#26. To: sneakypete (#25)
Like I wrote,"Siberia" is the Russian word for living space. It's where they traditionally send the people that cause them trouble.
#27. To: A Pole (#26)
English sent such people to Australia. So?
#28. To: sneakypete (#27)
#29. To: A Pole, sneakypete (#28)
Australia was worse.
#30. To: CZ82 (#29)
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#31. To: A Pole (#30)
Brits would hang him instead.
#32. To: A Pole (#28)
Australia was worse.
#33. To: CZ82 (#29)
It depends on where you go in Australia, some areas are very nice and some places are the most inhospitable you can imagine.
#34. To: A Pole (#30)
Look up how Lenin "suffered" there. It was not Gulag and he fixed it later.
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