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Title: At Age 3 — Transitioning From Jack To Jackie
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NPR
URL Source: http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015 ... nsitioning-from-jack-to-jackie
Published: Jul 4, 2015
Author: Eric Westervelt
Post Date: 2015-07-04 19:09:16 by GeorgiaConservative
Keywords: loons, transgender, transsexual
Views: 10647
Comments: 50
What would you do if your 3-year-old son told you assuredly that he wanted to be a girl? An Oakland, Cali. couple told their child it was OK, and a sad boy become a joyful little girl. It's controlled after-school anarchy at the Christian-Carter household. Seven-year-old Chloe has rolled herself up in an exercise mat in the living room of the family's lovely Oakland, Calif., home. "Look I'm a burrito," Chloe shouts. Her 4-year-old sister, Jackie, swoops in for a bite — and a hard push. "Ow!" Chloe shouts. "Mom! Jackie pushed me!" Just two sisters playing, occasionally sparring, as dad, James Christian, and mom, Mary Carter, watch nearby. Jackie's birthday is in mid-October, but for Carter and Christian, a second date is seared in memory almost as intensely — what Carter calls "The Day." Five Makeshift Ponytales "It was May 15, 2014, and I remember the date because Jackie was out of school that day," she says. "We drove to drop her older sister off at kindergarten. And normally Jackie is quite happy and content to hang out with me and play." Jackie was 3 then, and she was called Jack. Glancing into the backseat of her car, Mary noticed something different. "Jackie just looked really, really sad; sadder than a 3-and-a-half-year-old should look," Carter says. "This weight that looked like it weighed more than she did, something she had to say and I didn't know what that was. "So I asked. I said, 'Jackie, are you sad that you're not going to school today?' And Jackie was really quiet and put her head down and said 'No, I'm sad because I'm a boy.' " Carter was taken aback. Her youngest had been wearing her big sister's dresses regularly and enjoyed donning pink boots. But this was new. Carter wanted to confirm. "You're really not happy being a boy?" she asked. "I thought a little bit longer and I said, 'Well, are you happy being you?' And that made Jackie smile," she says. "And I felt like for that moment, that was all that really mattered. That was 'The Day.' " Carter took her to a chain drug store, and Jackie asked for elastic hair bands. Her hair wasn't long enough yet, but Carter put Jackie's hair up in five makeshift ponytails. "And I've never seen such a happy child," she remembers. "To go from maybe an hour before this, this child who looks so sad, to that, I felt like I'd done something right by her." In the months that followed, they started talking over girl names, with help from Jackie's pre-K teacher. On her fourth birthday, the family sang happy birthday for the first time to Jackie. Jackie Stood Her Ground A new job for Christian had prompted the family to move from Atlanta to Oakland two years ago. Carter and Christian say they feel lucky they've landed there. The Bay Area is one of the most LGBT friendly regions in the nation. The challenges ahead might be far greater, Christian says, if they'd stayed in the South. He recalls the Fourth of July weekend last year, when they were back visiting Atlanta. At a community party, Christian noticed a group of kids gathering around Jackie, who still went by Jack back then. "There was a point when some of the other boys, alpha males, talking about 15 kids surrounding Jackie," he says, "wanted to challenge this notion, 'Wait a minute, you said you're a boy but you're wearing a dress and have pony tails. I don't understand that.' " Christian says he felt anger at first. "Then joy, when this girl of about 9 stepped in and said, 'This is Jack, he's my friend.' And Jackie stood her ground, and so that made me very proud," he says. It's only been a little more than a year since Jack became Jackie. Neither of her parents has any illusions about the potential struggles ahead. Transgender people have alarmingly high rates of depression, substance abuse and suicide. "There will be more challenges, certainly, as Jackie gets older and gets around more kids," Christian says. "Then puberty, and dating, and the challenges will be like a very steep curve. But I'm hoping that by the time she gets there, I hope, one, we've given her the tools and two, that there's more acceptance of this issue." There is more acceptance now than there was even a few years ago, says psychologist Diane Ehrensaft at the UCSF Benioff Children's Hospital. Ehrensaft has worked with transgender youth for more than 20 years. "We as a culture have lifted the lid so that kids can start speaking up, showing themselves and that we have a lens to understand it from," she says. "That's all very new. We are now much more commonly hearing very little children speak up, 'Please let me be the gender I am rather than the gender you think I am.' " Experts in the field diverge on how to approach gender identity issues in the very young. Jackie's parents know some people may not understand their approach. It is even hard for them at times. As Carter explains, her daughter Chloe is the only one in the family Jackie still allows to occasionally refer to her as "Jack," as "he" and as "brother." "Chloe is very loving and protective and supportive," she says. "But I think for Chloe, she still attaches this memory of her little brother, of Jack. And it's right now hard for her to let that go. It's that last piece she's holding on to." "I myself have times when I miss my boy," says James Christian. "And I look at the old clothes and the old pictures and I will miss Jack. And that's probably never going to go away. That's just going to take some time."
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#11. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Oh the irony that you are saying that. Hey Tiger; likewise, I'm sure. Treatment for Gender Dysphoria is very well established and is well established by medical research. Your rant saying to give them a trial before they are executed show you actually have no desire to see any due process or medical/mental health research done unless you personally sign off on it. This is your problem, not mine. I trust the research and support the treatmet for the affliction. For 3 year olds?? Keep your head in the game, Mike. NO "medical research" in this solar system is "established" that supports the totally contrived term "Gender Dysphoria" for little kids; Never mind for anyone else (unless you take seriously the self-serving agenda-driven "research" of Homos-in-Charge.) This condition is a hallucination, the by-product of the power-of-suggestion for the weak-minded subjected to this culture's 24/7 propaganda, and indoctrination. Though there may be rare exceptions, the belief that one believes they are "in the wrong body" was considered a mental illness long before the homofascist frauds hijacked the American Psychiatric Association back in the early 1970s.
The parents should know better.
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Knew parents who had a 2 year old who wanted to be a monkey. Sure glad that kid did not end up in this looney family. He'd be a "monkey" teen by now.
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
None whatsoever. Is this your way of expressing solidarity with the insane parents? Yes. Moreover, it's Mike's way of propagating a myth and lie that is encouraged by his cult of Wicca. You see, in their world, it is legitimate and encouraged to embrace the entire spectrum of the "self." ("Do what thou whilst is the extent of the law.") This mind-set of Wicca can best be illustrated by the palette of a color-wheel. The more of the spectrum of experience the pagan-satanist-Wiccan ticks in this life, the more he/she/it has experienced and fulfilled their "be-all-things" mission to the universe. Including being multi-gendered/multi-sexual. It's a form of declaring oneself a "god." THE CHILD IS THREE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Yes! And if a 3 year old can talk, it knows best what IT wants!! Every sane parent and psychiatrist knows that! /triple eyeball roll
Lol...Somebody call in an animal psychiatrist? The kid's civil rights as a primate were being violated! (was the kid adopted?)
IF they do, what they've done is criminal. IF they don't, they're both insane and the kids should be removed from them. There'll be NO telling how else they'll screw up their two children.
It is child abuse to have parents like this. I told rlk up thread I knew parents who had a 2 yr old who wanted to be a monkey. Glad they had their head screwed on straight. If the kid had the Carter-Christian combo "parents" the kid would be an adolescent chimpanzee today. What I've seen in these various children gender ID stories are female centric families. Either no dad or a weak father figure in a family dominated by multiple females. I'm sure rlk knows the psychiatric terms. The normal solution for this kids issue is for the father to spend more time with the kid doing male stuff. Playing ball, boys games etc. Jack was surrounded with girl stuff. The girls probably getting praise for everything under the sun. No boy stuff to be seen or encouraged. I grew up with a kid who lost his dad at age 4. We became friends and My dad included him in all the father son activities. That's how it's done. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
No it was the couple's first kid. One trip to the zoo and the smell of the monkey cages scared the kid straight:) Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I'm off to the cult of cooking food at the cult of the restaurant at the iconic 116 year old Country Club Lib, see ya later and have a great day, ya'hear? Monday and Tuesday are my weekend, and I start working in the capacity of my promotion Wednesday. Be good, keep Stone from playing in traffic and God Bless, K? ;)
How am I not surprised you believe the above psycho babble. If a kid wants to be a T-Rex who are we to deny that kid his evolutionary right to his "roots?" Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
OMG take the kids and jail the parents!!!! Homosexuality is a mental disease and when you coddle people and lead people into this direction you to have a mental disease too. Yes a sane observation. What happens when Jack a few months later decides girl "play time" and pretend was fun but now he wants to be Jack again? These parents are making some life defining decisions with a 3 year olds mindset. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Well established by the insane. Mike, it's normal for young kids to pretend and at times want to be something they are not. Just wait for when Jack decides play time and pretend are over. What will the parents do then? Live out the lie he is a girl? This is not a case of a kid born with both genitals. This is a boy who is being raised by deranged parents. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Exactly. Mental-case abusive parents (Carter-Christian) would have would have humored and reared the kid as a monkey ("Mommy, I'm sad I'm not a monkey.") Once kid "evolved" and thought he was Superman," would these insane parent dress him up everyday in a cape stamped "S" on his T-Shirt? Instead, thanks to the biggest Stockholm Syndrome exercise we've seen since...well, Michael's Sam's "heroism" and THAT celebration -- the coincidental ongoing celebration of Bruce "I-am-Caitin" Jenner -- this social media culture is now cowed and intimidated into accepting ANY so-called "Dysphoria" as normal behavior. Lest they be indicted as "intolerant" or be charged with a "Hate Crime." NOW the Big Picture emerges for implementing BS laws like "Hate Crime" to protect the perverts from sane society's wrath. The only "sickness" as proclaimed by the so-called "experts" is the intolerance of accepting lies in lieu of the truth. It's as though we are witness to a massive case of demon-possession. What I've seen in these various children gender ID stories are female centric families. Either no dad or a weak father figure in a family dominated by multiple females. I'm sure rlk knows the psychiatric terms. The normal solution for this kids issue is for the father to spend more time with the kid doing male stuff. Playing ball, boys games etc. Jack was surrounded with girl stuff. The girls probably getting praise for everything under the sun. No boy stuff to be seen or encouraged. I grew up with a kid who lost his dad at age 4. We became friends and My dad included him in all the father son activities. That's how it's done. Yup. Bingo on all counts. The subject little boy -- Jack -- was immersed in a world of overt femininity. The criminal Mom seemed to delight in manipulating her little boy's feminization. SHE was the boss, SHE controlled the boy's environment. The father here -- as in many of these kind of cases -- is either absentee or himself a victim of a feminized life, lacking strong male figures, and weak measure of "male." But he IS an accessory to this crime. Many of us had noted this phenomena in the past, and what your Dad (a special man to be sure) did was exactly the solution in our neighborhood; A couple of other Dads just knew what to do...pitched in, include the boys in boy activities WITH OTHER BOYS -- without skipping a beat or embarrassing anyone. It didn't take much to calibrate nature and reinforce and celebrate male-ness. What we're seeing are further heartbreaking situations that we know are occurring full bore these days: The Feminization and castration of America.
One trip to the zoo and the smell of the monkey cages scared the kid straight:) Lol...thank God.
Monday and Tuesday are my weekend, and I start working in the capacity of my promotion Wednesday. Thanks, Mike. Sounds like you enjoy the setting. Congrats on your promotion. Any time you want to refute any of my claims, or feel I'm wrong, just check in and have at it. Keep Stone from playing in traffic and God Bless, K? ;) But...which "God"?? :-) Stone will avoid your Country Club, so I assume there'll be no traffic incident.
Heh... Pick a species, gender, race, or evolutionary "descendant," then "Be all you can be!" #Rachel Dolezal How am I not surprised you (Ferret Mike) believe the above psycho babble: "(Gender dysphoria") is a very real condition...It is just simply thye only way to give someone with this condition the most self=esteen and social functionality as possible.") So your solution is for the rest of us at the barrel of a gun to humor and accept those mental patients who masquerade as ANYTHING they want -- in the name of "self-esteem"? Mike, do you see NO social/mental restraints for a civilized society? Does this open the door for you to dress like Dracula instead of tie-dye? Cartoon art imitating life: #"My name is Elmer J. Fudd -- I own a mansion and a yacht."
Just wait for when Jack decides play time and pretend are over. What will the parents do then? Live out the lie he is a girl? Yup. And yes, the parents have NO problem castrating a 3 year old boy, and saddling the kid with an irreversible psychological problem that will ruin what will likely be a short life. Mike, you answer is.........?
Have you seen studies done about long term emotional health of people who've had their johnsons cut off? Most realize fast just how stupid they were, and are very depressed the majority of their life, if in fact they don't kill themselves. Their suicide rate is the same as it was for the Jews in Germany during WWll. But that's OK with the left, they are quite willing to kill or maim the stupid who actually believe their BS, the BS exists only to divide and weaken the country. Gotta break a few eggs, ehh Mike?
Mike, your answer is.........? Now you should know better than to think that makes any difference to him. If things don't work out he'll be all for sewing the kids cod back on and tell him he's a boy now go play boy games. (Even though all the kids in the neighborhood thinks he/she is a girl, that will go over well I can hear the remarks now). And money is no object, especially if it's confiscated from the "evil rich". “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Why would he? It's all about not being held responsible for your actions/decisions. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
That is why you turned out to be a decent person. You were obviously blessed with a good father.
In the 50s and early 60s standard Psychiatric and psychoanalytic textbooks described the male homosexual as typically being the result of a strong dominent mother and a weak father. There was no technical name for for the family background other than that description. Trans-sexualism had not become vogue. In recent years someone writing from within that context would be ridiculed from the profession. There are entire areas reprsenting valid psychoanalytic experience that have been suppressed and disappeared.
Interesting. You should post some of what you know sometimes
What if I am actually female and do not winch at the thought of a bilateral orchiectomy or a penectomy? maybe Mike McCarthy who suffered brain damage in his fall in July 1998 is alive but not likely to ever post again like he did before he was injured in his protest? Maybe my regret is weariness with the novelty of posting as a man for a long while, and tried to do a new account with a more comfortable gender identity but Stone is so paranoid and he just assumed my new account was done by Mike, getting his assumption completely wrong? Strange things can happen in forums of this nature, can't they? People here like to play MacGyver never taking me at my word on many things unless it is a Sally who relented and finally gave me a new account after I posted copies of my ID showing who I actually am. Why did Ferret Mike's account at 4UM go from being 'Ferret Mike' to 'Ferret?' Is Christine in on this too? Life can be strange, can't it? Did you cut your dick off Mike? Or I mean did you have someone so that for you Jasmine?
Thank you. Yes he was a good man and worked hard. He would even take on weekend and evening jobs to keep us all in Catholic schools instead of the bedlam public schools. He is Home with the Lord now. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Heh. Did you? you know you deserved that. Do you hate Catholics? Just curious because some of you all Protestants really do not want anything to do with us Catholics.
You're not a catholic. The catholic church teaches many things that are incorrect in my view. I don't like the pope. He isn't the Holy Father. The Catholics that I know are decent people for the most part.
Lord have mercy, my old buddy war is on 4UM.
So I am not a Catholic huh? Sorry buddy, 'fraid I am. Just the way it is.
So what do I need to do to get you to stop being such an asshole when I tell you something about myself? I really did damage my brain housing group when I fell from that tree. Fortunately it wasn't so much that I became as dumb as you. ;) I mean, I do like reading/listening to Dr David Jeremiah and all, but then sgain, that doesn't mean I believe everything he says.
Personally I like Pope Francis. I'm even hoping he gets the Vatican Bank under control.
Such as....? Is it because we don't learn how to sound like a vindictive hillbilly like you enjoy to sound like when you are in the mood to try to intimidate someone? Interesting. You should post some of what you know sometimes I generally do, but I approach it from a psychoanalitic (in the broad sense) stance of a logical positivist realist which is objectionable both to the stoutly religious and to the countercultural.
My answer is I agree with the well vetted reseach by the American Psychiatric Association concerning gender dysphoria. I support the policy of helping people transision to the gender they know themselves to be. Jasmine Greene is doing well. She has had another kid and still is managing a restaurant. She is a genetic woman and comes from a wealthy Texas family. PS, I don't think you should be talking about my penis Stone. I'll handle it's condition and use myself, thank you very much.
"Mike you are mentally ill."
#12. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone, Dead Culture Watch, rlk (#11)
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Treatment for Gender Dysphoria is very well established and is well established by medical research.
#13. To: GeorgiaConservative (#0)
#14. To: rlk (#1)
#15. To: Dead Culture Watch, Ferret Mike (#9)
What does any of your BS have to do with the story posted?
#16. To: redleghunter (#14)
Knew parents who had a 2 year old who wanted to be a monkey. Sure glad that kid did not end up in this looney family. He'd be a "monkey" teen by now.
#17. To: redleghunter (#13)
The parents should know better.
#18. To: Liberator, rlk (#3)
#19. To: Liberator (#16)
#20. To: Liberator (#15)
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#21. To: Ferret Mike, liberator, rlk, CZ82 (#7)
It is a very real condition, and I support facilitating and covering the treatments and diagnostic protocols that allow people the most comfort in their own skin and satisfying life possible. It is just simply thye only way to give someone with this condition the most self=esteen and social functionality s possible.
#22. To: Justified (#10)
She is not a transgender she is a freaking BURRITO! Dammit!
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#11)
Treatment for Gender Dysphoria is very well established and is well established by medical research.
#24. To: redleghunter, rlk (#18)
I told rlk up thread I knew parents who had a 2 yr old who wanted to be a monkey. Glad they had their head screwed on straight. If the kid had the Carter-Christian combo "parents" the kid would be an adolescent chimpanzee today.
#25. To: redleghunter (#19)
No it was the couple's first kid.
#26. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#20)
I'm off to the cult of cooking food at the cult of the restaurant at the iconic 116 year old Country Club Lib, see ya later and have a great day, ya'hear?
#27. To: redleghunter, Ferret Mike, rlk, CZ82, Deckard (#21)
If a kid wants to be a T-Rex who are we to deny that kid his evolutionary right to his "roots?"
#Caitlin Jenner
#Spartacus
#FurrieCreature
#Halloween
#28. To: redleghunter, Ferret Mike (#23)
Mike, it's normal for young kids to pretend and at times want to be something they are not.
#29. To: redleghunter, Ferret Mike (#21)
It is just simply thye only way to give someone with this condition the most self=esteen and social functionality s possible.
#30. To: Liberator, redleghunter (#28)
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Yup. And yes, the parents have NO problem castrating a 3 year old boy, and saddling the kid with an irreversible psychological problem that will ruin what will likely be a short life.
#31. To: Liberator (#27)
Mike, do you see NO social/mental restraints for a civilized society?
#32. To: redleghunter (#18)
My dad included him in all the father son activities. That's how it's done.
#33. To: Liberator (#24)
The subject little boy -- Jack -- was immersed in a world of overt femininity. The criminal Mom seemed to delight in manipulating her little boy's feminization. SHE was the boss, SHE controlled the boy's environment. The father here -- as in many of these kind of cases -- is either absentee or himself a victim of a feminized life, lacking strong male figures, and weak measure of "male."
#34. To: rlk (#33)
There are entire areas reprsenting valid psychoanalytic experience that have been suppressed and disappeared.
#35. To: Dead Culture Watch (#29)
But that's OK with the left, they are quite willing to kill or maim the stupid who actually believe their BS, the BS exists only to divide and weaken the country. Gotta break a few eggs, ehh Mike?
#36. To: Liberator (#26)
But...which "God"?? :-)
#37. To: Ferret Mike (#35)
#38. To: A K A Stone (#32)
That is why you turned out to be a decent person. You were obviously blessed with a good father.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#37)
Did you cut your dick off
#40. To: A K A Stone (#37)
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
#42. To: A K A Stone (#37)
#43. To: A K A Stone (#41)
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#44. To: A K A Stone (#41)
#45. To: All (#40)
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#46. To: A K A Stone (#41)
#47. To: A K A Stone (#41)
The catholic church teaches many things that are incorrect in my view.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#34)
There are entire areas reprsenting valid psychoanalytic experience that have been suppressed and disappeared.
#49. To: Liberator (#28)
#50. To: A K A Stone (#37)
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