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Title: See how ABC honors America
Source: Mainetv.net
URL Source: http://www.mainetv.net/abc.jpg
Published: Jul 4, 2015
Author: Bob Celeste
Post Date: 2015-07-04 13:17:52 by BobCeleste
Keywords: None
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Comments: 29

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#7. To: BobCeleste (#0)

American flag pins being all lapel pins and July 4th being in 2001 after 9/11.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/abcflag/

ABC News Bans Flag Lapel Pins-Truth! & Fiction!

Summary of eRumor:

A boycott of the ABC television network is encouraged because the executives at ABC news are said to have told reporters they could not wear American flag lapel pins or any other patriotic insignia. The network said that ABC should remain as neutral as possible.

The Truth:

Rumors that ABC News has banned American flag lapel pins have been swirling ever since the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The claim was based in truth at one time, but it has drifted more toward fiction over the years.

The 9/11 attacks resulted in a wave of patriotism that had not been seen in decades. The shared enthusiasm for the country and flag were widespread.

It created difficulties for reporters, however, who try to professionally earn and keep people’s trust by avoiding personal partisan displays while reporting in the news. Many media outlets struggled to preserve their image as journalists while at the same time appearing unpatriotic in a time of crisis. Some journalists elected to wear American flag lapel pins on air, and the debate started.

CBS, NBC and CNN did not have a lapel pin policy in place before or after 9/11, the Orlando Sentinel reports. Reporters for those stations regularly wore American flag lapel pins on air while covering 9/11.

When word got out that ABC News had “banned American flag lapel pins,” the network became a lightning rod for criticism. However, the eRumor began to drift away from the truth almost immediately.

The network never specifically singled out American flag lapel pins — it prohibited its reporters from wearing any lapel pin on the air.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/noflags.asp

Claim: ABC banned on-air personnel from wearing American flag pins after 9/11.

FALSE.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/abc_flag_pins.htm

Viral message claims ABC News has ordered reporters and news anchors not to wear American flag lapel pins or other patriotic insignia.

Description: Rumor / Viral message
Circulating since: June 2008
Status: TRUE (in 2001) / MISREPRESENTED (see details below)

Example #1:

Email text contributed by an AOL user, June 25, 2008:

ABC News Bans Flag Lapel Pins

Yesterday, the brass at ABC News issued orders forbidding reporters to wear lapel pin American flags or other patriotic insignia. Their reasoning was that ABC should remain neutral about "causes".

Since when is support for preventing our death & destruction some sort of a "cause"? Since when is patriotism to be discouraged. I urge you to boycott ABC and its sponsors and affiliates. And those that advertise with them.

We’re slowly losing everything our country stands for, and everything our men and women fought and died to preserve.

Please forward this to as many as you can.

Analysis: Please note that when the message above says ABC News banned flag lapel pins "yesterday," it's referring to a date in 2001. This was not a recent event.

And although it's true that ABC News instituted such a ban shortly after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, the network's stated reasons were more cogent than what is indicated above.

According to ABC spokesman Jeffrey Schneider, the network saw it as necessary to protect its reporters' credibility, as well as their personal safety abroad.

"We cannot signal through outward symbols how we feel, even if the cause is justified," he said in a statement to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "Overseas, it could be perceived that we're just mouthpieces for the U.S. government, and that can place our journalists in danger."

http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/2010-06-28/story/fact-check-flag-pin-ban-about-bias-not-patriotism

Fact check: Flag pin ban about bias, not patriotism

FACT: Media have long had policies on not wearing flair on-air.

By Carole Fader Mon, Jun 28, 2010 @ 4:45 am

Times-Union readers want to know:

Is it true that ABC has banned its employees from wearing flag pins?

It’s baaaaaack.

This chain e-mail is once again making the rounds of e-mail inboxes. It first appeared after the Sept, 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, when many Americans expressed their patriotism, and has cropped up from time to time since. It does not refer to a current event.

Essentially, the e-mail is true. But a few clarifications must be made.

Journalists usually do not wear pins, ribbons or any other symbol that might compromise their credibility as objective, impartial recorders of events. News departments of television stations have long had a practice or policy that on-air personnel should not display partisan adornments, including patriotic ones.

After 9/11, Snopes.com reports, some network news journalists expressed a desire to bend that rule, setting off a national debate on the subject:

nolu chan  posted on  2015-07-04   16:45:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan (#7)

Two questions and one comment.

First, does ABC still have this policy in effect? "The network never specifically singled out American flag lapel pins — it prohibited its reporters from wearing any lapel pin on the air. "

If yes, does it include US flag pins?

My comment is this, snopes is no longer a trusted source when it comes to anything political.

Thanks for a great report though.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-07-04   21:12:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BobCeleste (#11)

I made sure the first source I cited was the one the article itself used as "THIS HAS BEEN VERIFIED THROUGH:" The link cited was not valid, but I found the working link and posted that.

I have not experienced many problems with Snopes, but none of the sources is infallible.

It does not appear that any ABC news hosts wear any lapel pins, but I could be wrong.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-07-05   0:35:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nolu chan (#12)

It does not appear that any ABC news hosts wear any lapel pins, but I could be wrong.

I and my wife looked carefully last night to both the local ABC news and the national ABC news, neither of us saw any pins.

Now, my analogy: When I was a kid, the RC church did not specifically deny people carrying in and using the KJV, they simply did not allow RC's to study any Bible. There reason was that it is to difficult for any but trained priest to understand. History tells us that the real reason was that when folks studied the Bible, they left Roman Catho9licism in droves, for they found that RC propaganda and dogma was in 90% of the cases in direct opposition to the Word of God and His word, the Bible.

I think ABC is doing the same thing, in an effort to not look like traitors, they have banned all pins.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-07-05   7:55:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: BobCeleste (#16)

I and my wife looked carefully last night to both the local ABC news and the national ABC news, neither of us saw any pins.

I checked online pics of ABC news hosts and saw no pins. I have no problem with the policy. I can't see a public persona being more or less in favor of something because they do, or do not, wear some pin.

When I was a kid, the RC church did not specifically deny people carrying in and using the KJV

Maybe my memory just differs, but I recollect that we were not supposed to read the KJV or any bible without the imprimatur, essentially just the Douay-Rheims Version. There was no modern English version back then.

The Catholic school did not rely greatly on teaching from the bible, but rather from a catechism or missal.

History tells us that the real reason was that when folks studied the Bible, they left Roman Catho9licism in droves, for they found that RC propaganda and dogma was in 90% of the cases in direct opposition to the Word of God and His word, the Bible.

It may be accurate that history so indicates, but I honestly do not know if droves of Roman Catholics read the bible or left for that or some other reason.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-07-05   17:56:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: nolu chan (#20)

... I honestly do not know if droves of Roman Catholics read the bible or left for that or some other reason.

I did.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-07-06   8:36:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: BobCeleste (#23)

I did.

I'm sure some did because of bible study. I suppose it may depend on whether they engaged in bible study. Of course, many may engage in bible study and it causes no conflict with their Catholic faith.

But Catholics largely ignore church teaching on contraception which infers dismissing the infallability of the Pope on doctrines of faith or morals. There was a large problem with pedophile priests and coverups, sarcastically referred to as the one free grope rule. That one definitely cost some membership.

Perhaps it was the ornate churches that seemed too much like monuments to man. Or saying rote prayers until they lost meaning, e.g., "Bless us Our Lord, for these Thy gifts," etc. It's like a shock to the system when one first has dinner with Baptists and grace unexpectedly does not follow the customary text but sounds more like a conversation with their Lord. Contrast with priests reciting a prayer at mass in the manner of a speed reader reciting the legal fine print at the end of a tv commercial.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-07-06   15:24:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#28. To: nolu chan, BobCeleste (#27)

ut sounds more like a conversation with their Lord. ontrast with priests reciting a prayer at mass in the manner of a speed reader reciting the legal fine print at the end of a tv commercial.

The temerity to think the ruler of the universe is your buddy and you can have a casual conversation with him. You should fear the Lord, your God. Secondly, I don't know what the Catholic mass entails but for the Orthodox, they recite the New Testament in their liturgy - which is not a mass but a worship service. It is how in Revelation, the workings of heaven are shown to function. So above and so below.

Pericles  posted on  2015-07-06 15:31:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: nolu chan (#27)

many may engage in bible study and it causes no conflict with their Roman Catholic faith.

I do see how that can be, I don't see how anyone can study even one of the four Gospels and still remain a Roman Catholic. But, I know there are. I for one simply do not believe you can be both Born Again Christian and an idolator at the same time.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-07-06 20:36:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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