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Title: Pentagon Urged To Boot Chaplains Who Oppose 'Gay' Marriage
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URL Source: http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/July02/024.html
Published: Jul 3, 2015
Author: July 02, 2015 | JACK MINOR
Post Date: 2015-07-03 23:06:14 by Don
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In the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s decision to redefine marriage in all 50 states, the Pentagon is now being urged to “cleanse itself” of chaplains who refuse to support same-sex marriage. Activist Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, is demanding the U.S. military conduct a purge of chaplains who holds to the traditional teaching of homosexuality and marriage espoused by the first commander in chief, George Washington. Weinstein claims chaplains who are “maintaining the state of antagonism between their religion and the sexual/gender identities of service members” have no business serving in the military. “Nobody is arguing that these losers don’t have a right to their religious beliefs,” wrote Weinstein in an op-ed. “At this stage, the only honorable thing that these losers can do is to fold up their uniforms, turn in their papers, and get the hell out of the American military chaplaincy. If they are unwilling or too cowardly to do so, then the Department of Defense must expeditiously cleanse itself of the intolerant filth that insists on lingering in the ranks of our armed forces.” While Weinstein frequently calls for the court-martialing of military members who attempt to share their faith with others, he is now calling for an entire class of chaplains to be fired regardless of whether their beliefs affect their job performance or not. Brig. Gen. Doug Lee, now chairman of the executive committee for the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, said Weinstein’s views are extreme, showing a lack of understanding of a chaplain’s mission. “His comments are so vitriolic and dividing that they are hardly worth responding to. He seems to feel the need to push his conspiracy theory about certain chaplains in the military,” Lee told WND. “In addition, I don’t think he understands that the job of chaplain exists in a pluralistic military so that people have religious support, and to do away with a certain group of chaplains in its entirety is just ridiculous. “It’s like he never learned a thing in law school about the Constitution and about why chaplains exist.” Lee contends one cannot say chaplains have no right to oppose homosexuality based on the teachings of their faith while also supporting their right to stand by other tenets, such as refusing to marry those outside of their faith. “A chaplain cannot do something against his faith tenet such as marrying someone who has different religious beliefs if that is a tenet of their faith. They cannot be asked to do it, and they cannot be required to do it.” Lee told WND that those who think a chaplain must affirm or support the beliefs of everyone who comes for counseling or teaching misunderstand the purpose of chaplains. “The job of a chaplain is to provide religious support or perform religious support. The ‘provide’ part is to help a person find someone who can meet the individual’s spiritual needs. For example, I would not prepare a Passover meal for a Jewish service member, but I will direct them to a rabbi who can address that area. But when I do perform religious support, whether it be to teach, preach or counsel, I do so from my faith perspective.” For his part, Weinstein said he’s looking forward to ending the conservative influence in the military. “What will become of their once-ironclad dominance of fundamentalist Christian privilege within the Department of Defense?” said Weinstein. Lee insists chaplains don’t use their pulpit and position to call on service members to disobey orders regarding the treatment of “gay” service members. “For the vast majority of chaplains in the military, their faith groups believe that homosexuality is a sin and so they believe marriage is between a man and a woman as Christians have believed for thousands of years,” Lee explained to WND. “But the chaplains are saying that if someone comes to them for counseling with the homosexual partner they won’t ignore that person’s concerns, instead they will refer them to someone who can help with their specific needs because that’s part of providing religious support.” WND reported how the military tried to silence opposition to repeal of the Revolutionary War ban on homosexuals serving in the military during a lame-duck session of Congress, after tea-party voters gave Republicans control of the House of Representatives in 2010. In 2013, soldiers were given a training brief stating evangelical Christians were the No. 1 extremist threat to America, ahead of groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, Ku Klux Klan, Nation of Islam, al-Qaida and Hamas. Catholicism and ultra-orthodox Judaism were also on the list of religious extremist organizations. As WND reported, Larry Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, told the Washington Post in 2013 the biggest problems faced by the military were sexual assault and what he described as proselytizing by Christians. Wilkerson’s comments were made to Sally Quinn in an interview that also featured former ambassador Joe Wilson and Weinstein as they were on their way to a meeting at the Pentagon. Wilson told Quinn that if a chaplain would proselytize, it would be a workplace violation. Weinstein went even further and said it was a “national security threat” and amounted to “spiritual rape.” He said the chaplain’s role is to minister to spiritual needs. Weinstein said military leaders need to understand “there is systematic misogyny, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia in the military.” “What the Pentagon needs to understand is that it is sedition and treason. It should be punished.” Read more at http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/July02/024.html#rAB6z7mffBjuVXm4.99
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#1. To: Don (#0)
Let me take a stab in the dark, is Weinstein a Jew?
I can say the name is definitely Jewish.
Does a bear shit in the woods?
Weinstein claims chaplains who are “maintaining the state of antagonism between their religion and the sexual/gender identities of service members” have no business serving in the military. As the old testament and new testament condemn homosexual sex and define marriage in terms of a man and woman, this would seem to encompass all observant Jews and Christians.
Lots of Muslims in the military about the same number of Jews..... http://www.vosizneias.com/43746/2009/11/25/new-yor,-should-more-Jews-join- the-u-s-military/ Of a total of 1,359,948 active duty members of the military, just 4,515 are Jewish. That’s just 1/3 of one percent of the total, leading only the Muslim service members, which total 3,409 at 1/2 of one percent. In the United States, Jews number between 5,128,000 and 6,444,000, and therefore make up between 1.7 and 2.2 % of our total population of 301,621,000 (U.S. Census Bureau). If Jews served in the military in proportion to their numbers in the general population, there should be between 23,119 and 29,919 Jews in the armed services today. The truth is there is less than 25% of that.
I should have included them too. Now, what religion can the chaplains be drawn from? Wicca?
No doubt. Typical though. president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation Orwellian name - Freedom is Slavery. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Weinstein is an idiot who has no idea of the mission of the chaplaincy. He is, with Obolos help, making the military his pet socialist project. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Ok,I'm confused. Is this Military Religious freedom Foundation part of a military branch or government office? If not,WTH is he to be telling anybody in uniform what to do,much less Chaplins? Also,why is this story implying it is the government pushing out Chaplins? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
And doesn't seem to even care. All he seems to be concerned about is getting what HE wants,and to hell with everyone else. "Me,me,me,me,IT'S ALL ABOUT ME,DAMMIT!" Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Hey, don't give anybody any ideas...
The U.S. Army Chaplains Guide to Wicca
Here you go pete nothing more than another bunch of crackpots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Religious_Freedom_Foundation “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
He is, with Obolos help, making the military his pet socialist project. But notice how 0blabla avoids ANY scrutiny or responsibility for HIS own appointment and delegation of authority? It's insane. Speaking of insane and Orwellian: Activist Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation HUH?? How can a hostile party and militant atheist be appointed "president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation"? EVERYTHING 0blabla does is designed to ridicule, mock, and destroy the good, the traditional, the common sense.
CZ82: ("Here you go pete nothing more than another bunch of crackpots.") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Religious_Freedom_Foundation Wow. Good find: Yet....Weinstein has been dictating legal AND official military policy that's stood for hundreds of years?? MOREOVER: Weinstein describes the group's target as "a small subset of Fundamentalist Christianity that's called premilliennial, dispensational, reconstructionist, dominionist, fundamentalist, or just Dominionist Christianity. Weinstein also cites enforcement of the "Establishment Clause of the First Amendment" as his fascist, anti-constitiution cabal's "stated goal." CAN'T MAKE THIS UP. How has Weinstin's little Gestapo detail not been legally challenged??
Thanks,that explains it. The story was presented like it was an official military office,and I was wondering how the hell they figured they could get away with something like that. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Kinda makes you wonder why he doesn't go after Judaism,doesn't it? I think we know why he doesn't,don't we? The American left is filled with Jews with a chip on their shoulders and a hatred for Christianity and whites for the way they have been treated by Christian governments for the last couple of thousand years. They would happily destroy the world if it would destroy Christianity and whites. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I think we know why he doesn't,don't we? Weinstein -- a rabid, obsessed anti-Christian -- doesn't persecute Jewish chaplains because they haven't represented the military nearly as much as fundamental Christians. You know that. As you've noted, Weinstein's only goal is power. And the power to destroy the military's establishment and traditional foundation of morale, spiritual support, and influence. He probably hates religious Jews as well. Weinstein's "religion" is hate (same as his boss, 0blabla.) Plus he is a nihilist. The American left is filled with Jews with a chip on their shoulders and a hatred for Christianity and whites for the way they have been treated by Christian governments for the last couple of thousand years. They would happily destroy the world if it would destroy Christianity and whites. By and large, your observation is likely true. Unfortunately. For sheer spite and revenge, they would rather take down America. The Jewish-American Left forgets, ignores, or just doesn't care that evangelical "fundies" are Israel's biggest supporters -- as well as ignoring the fact that it was the Vatican and Roman Catholic Church who marginalized and abused Jews for centuries. But then, many of them hate Israel as well.
What it means is freedom FROM religion.
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Maybe. Many leftist Jews seem to hate religious Jews. It is purely a secondary hatred,though. They don't go after them like they do Christians. Or at least not in public. By and large, your observation is likely true. Unfortunately. For sheer spite and revenge, they would rather take down America. They see that as being one and the same. American is the most powerful and influential country that is generally considered to be a Christian nation (in terms of church membership if not actual thought and action) that is also majority white (soon to change),and the added bonus is we are,or were,the biggest threat to world-wide control by the left. I suspect a few of their heads may explode once America becomes a white-minority country,and is full of brown Catholics. The Jewish-American Left forgets, ignores, or just doesn't care that evangelical "fundies" are Israel's biggest supporters I honestly think they feel a mixture of jealousy and paranoia because fundie Christian Zionists outnumber Jewish Zionists. IMHO,they fear the possibility of ending up minor players in their own game instead of large and in charge. The history of Judaism and Christianity can only fuel their fears when comparing numbers. Also,the fundie Zionists mostly support Israel and Zionism because they want to see the "End Times" game being played. Jews who live in Israel are propably slightly less thrilled about that concept. Ever notice how it seems like the majority of the Zionists don't live in Israel?(G) as well as ignoring the fact that it was the Vatican and Roman Catholic Church who marginalized and abused Jews for centuries. You really can't blame them for playing the same game everybody plays. Every group seems to hate and fear every other group,and consider all of "them" to have the same negative qualities. It's human nature,and nothing changes human nature. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I see Freeom OF Religion as being the same thing as Freedom FROM Religion. Otherwise everyone would have the same "right" to follow a state religion instead of no religion at all or the one you want to follow. If you don't have the freedom to not be religious,you don't have the freedom to refuse to follow religious beliefs you don't share so you CAN follow the religious beliefs you do share. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Freedom of gives an option. Freedom from is exclusive. Types like Weinstein want all religious activity expunged from public life. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I disagree because freedom from is also an option. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The intent and language can't be any clearer: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
HUH?? There has been no, ZERO, zip cases challenged in any U.S. courts which back up your ludicrous azz-backwards theory.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Yeah,that's why nobody disagrees about it,huh? Including you and I. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
HUH?? There has been no, ZERO, zip cases challenged in any U.S. courts which back up your ludicrous azz-backwards theory. I know this is personal for you,but that is no reason to have your head stuck up your ass about it. Or do you really think my only concern is US court cases,instead of comparing our system to the systems used all over the world where some of them have state religions and you can have your freaking head cut off for worshiping the same God "wrong"? Freedom OF religion also CLEARLY means freedom FROM religion because it bars the state from forcing us to adopt a state religion. We have a choice to worship how and who we choose,or even to not worship at all. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Or do you really think my only concern is US court cases,instead of comparing our system to the systems used all over the world where some of them have state religions and you can have your freaking head cut off for worshiping the same God "wrong"? You're projecting, because this case IS personal...FOR YOU. I get it -- when you were a kid, your relatives didn't give YOU the freedom of OR "from" religion. You were assigned a religion while in the Army without your concent; Maybe a CO tried to coerce you into "Gawd." Your anecdotal cases still don't rise to the federal case you're making it out to be or change the Founders' intent or meaning. Most of all, I'm sorry it ruined faith for you, that you've allowed these instances to alienate you from God. The 1st Amendment and writings of the Founders is crystal clear on the matter of freedom OF religion. It has nothing to do with you citing several irrelevant tangential red herrings.
NOBODY but Leftists, militant atheists, anarchists....in over 200 plus years. For the rest of America, the intent and definition has been a consensus.
And "freedom OF/FROM religion" is still freedom to worship as you please. Whether the religion of Atheism or Nihilism. We have a choice to worship how and who we choose,or even to not worship at all. So you DO understand the 1st Amendment as it pertains to "religion" after all?
It's personal for EVERYBODY. You were assigned a religion while in the Army without your concent; Not true. I had "Heathen" as my religious preference on my dog tags. Saved me from having to listen to the recruiting spiel when reporting in to a new Group that had a Chaplin that didn't know me. Maybe a CO tried to coerce you into "Gawd." Not even once. I did have a Chaplin or two try to convert me before I became a declared Heathen,though. Your anecdotal cases still don't rise to the federal case you're making it out to be I never claimed it was an actual federal case. My claim and fear is that it is a POTENTIAL federal case because so many fundies want to "bring God back to government". The 1st Amendment and writings of the Founders is crystal clear on the matter of freedom OF religion. You are exhibit A due to your insistence that no one in America has a Constitutionally-guaranteed Freedom FROM Religion. It tells me you would like to make a belief in God mandatory,and make religion a part of government. Deny this if you want,but there is no other reason for you to be so blind and stubborn on this issue. It is a FACT that you can NOT have freedom OF religion unless you have a guarantee of freedom FROM religion. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Absolutely! As well as the freedom to NOT be forced to worship if you don't want. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
"Bringing God back into government" vs. Let's see how Satan does? How's that working out for ya? Btw -- NO ONE has EVER been coerced via gubmint mandate into believing in God. There IS no such threat, never has been. Why so paranoid over a phantom bogeyman?
Because True Believers deny it,and fundies are required to spread the word of God. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Weinstein is an Obama hitman whose job is to war against the Christians in the military. He has the power to make commanders quake when chaplains under their command try to do their job mandated by their position in the military structure.
I think he knows quite well what the chaplains are required to do. I think he knows what he has been appointed to do as well. He sees these chaplains as the enemy.
Many Jews are faint from being observant.
Lets take a stab in the dark, is Weinstein a faggot?
But if devout, observant Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Muslim clerics are excluded from the chaplain corps, do you believe your or anyone else could sell an all Wiccan or Pagan chaplain corps to the American people? Challenging all who believe in one or both books of the Bible, or the Quran, might lead to quite a backlash.
Lemme guess. NY, FL, CA, DC.
I imagine an orthodox Jew who runs a bakery observing a Palestinian-American and a skinhead coming in to place special orders, the very first customers of the week.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWeinstein said military leaders need to understand “there is systematic misogyny, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia in the military.”
#2. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
#3. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
Let me take a stab in the dark, is Weinstein a Jew?
#4. To: Don (#0)
Activist Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, is demanding the U.S. military conduct a purge of chaplains who holds to the traditional teaching of homosexuality and marriage espoused by the first commander in chief, George Washington.
#5. To: nolu chan, Don (#4)
As the old testament and new testament condemn homosexual sex and define marriage in terms of a man and woman, this would seem to encompass all observant Jews and Christians.
#6. To: Pericles (#5)
Lots of Muslims in the military about the same number of Jews.....
#7. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
Let me take a stab in the dark, is Weinstein a Jew?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#8. To: Don (#0)
#9. To: Don (#0)
Activist Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, is demanding the U.S. military conduct a purge of chaplains who holds to the traditional teaching of homosexuality and marriage espoused by the first commander in chief, George Washington.
#10. To: redleghunter (#8)
Weinstein is an idiot who has no idea of the mission of the chaplaincy.
#11. To: nolu chan (#6)
Now, what religion can the chaplains be drawn from? Wicca?
#12. To: nolu chan (#6)
#13. To: sneakypete (#9)
OK, I'm confused. Is this Military Religious freedom Foundation part of a military branch or government office?
#14. To: redleghunter (#8)
Weinstein is an idiot who has no idea of the mission of the chaplaincy.
#15. To: CZ82, sneakypete, redleghunter (#13)
Pete: ("OK, I'm confused. Is this Military Religious freedom Foundation part of a military branch or government office?")
The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) is a watchdog group and advocacy organization founded in 2005 by Michael Weinstein.
#16. To: CZ82 (#13)
Here you go pete nothing more than another bunch of crackpots.
#17. To: Liberator (#15)
Weinstein describes the group's target as "a small subset of Fundamentalist Christianity that's called premilliennial, dispensational, reconstructionist, dominionist, fundamentalist, or just Dominionist Christianity.
#18. To: sneakypete (#17)
(Edited)
Kinda makes you wonder why he doesn't go after Judaism,doesn't it?
#19. To: Liberator (#14)
#20. To: Liberator (#18)
He probably hates religious Jews as well.
#21. To: redleghunter, Liberator (#19)
What it means is freedom FROM religion.
#22. To: sneakypete (#21)
#23. To: redleghunter (#22)
Freedom of gives an option. Freedom from is exclusive.
#24. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#22)
Freedom of gives an option. Freedom from is exclusive.
#25. To: sneakypete, redleghunter (#21)
(Edited)
If you don't have the freedom to not be religious,you don't have the freedom to refuse to follow religious beliefs you don't share so you CAN follow the religious beliefs you do share.
#26. To: Liberator (#24)
The intent and language can't be any clearer:
#27. To: Liberator (#25)
If you don't have the freedom to not be religious,you don't have the freedom to refuse to follow religious beliefs you don't share so you CAN follow the religious beliefs you do share.
#28. To: sneakypete (#27)
(Edited)
I know this is personal for you,but that is no reason to have your head stuck up your ass about it.
#29. To: sneakypete (#26)
Yeah,that's why nobody disagrees about it,huh?
#30. To: sneakypete (#27)
Freedom OF religion also CLEARLY means freedom FROM religion because it bars the state from forcing us to adopt a state religion.
#31. To: Liberator (#28)
You're projecting, because this case IS personal...FOR YOU.
#32. To: Liberator (#30)
(Edited)
And "freedom OF/FROM religion" is still freedom to worship as you please.
#33. To: sneakypete (#31)
My claim and fear is that it is a POTENTIAL federal case because so many fundies want to "bring God back to government".
#34. To: Liberator (#33)
Btw -- NO ONE has EVER been coerced via gubmint mandate into believing in God. There IS no such threat, never has been. Why so paranoid over a phantom bogeyman?
#35. To: sneakypete (#9)
#36. To: redleghunter (#8)
#37. To: nolu chan (#4)
#38. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
Let me take a stab in the dark, is Weinstein a Jew?
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
The U.S. Army Chaplains Guide to Wicca
#40. To: sneakypete, Liberator (#20)
Ever notice how it seems like the majority of the Zionists don't live in Israel?(G)
#41. To: Don (#37)
Many Jews are faint from being observant.
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