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Title: Obama: Americans need to shift religious views to accept gay marriage
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URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/oba ... s-views-to-accept-gay-marriage
Published: Jun 27, 2015
Author: Joe Newby
Post Date: 2015-06-27 15:05:46 by lana
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Views: 23174
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Obama: Americans need to shift religious views to accept gay marriage After the Supreme Court issued its ruling on gay marriage Friday, President Obama gave a speech in which he said Americans need to change their religious views to be accepting of gay marriage, the Daily Caller reported. To that end, he encouraged gay marriage supporters to "help” people overcome their deeply-held religious views. “I know that Americans of goodwill continue to hold a wide range of views on this issue,” he said. Initially, he exhibited a bit of respect for those who oppose same-sex marriage. "Opposition in some cases has been based on sincere and deeply held beliefs,” he said. “All of us who welcome today’s news should be mindful of that fact. Recognize different viewpoints. Revere our deep commitment to religious freedom.” "But today should also give us hope that on the many issues with which we grapple often painfully real change is possible,” he added. The implication was clear: Those who disagree with the idea of gay marriage based, for example, on their religious views, must change to be more like progressives who accept gay marriage. “Shifts in hearts and minds is possible,” he added. “And those who have come so far on their journey to equality have a responsibility to reach back and help others join them. Because for all our differences, we are one people — stronger together than we could ever be alone.” "That’s always been our story," he continued. "We are big and vast, and diverse. A nation of people with different backgrounds and beliefs, with different experiences and stories, but bound by our shared ideal that no matter who you are, or what you look like, how you started off, or how and who you love — America’s a place where you can write your own destiny.” A post at the conservative blog Chicks on the Right posted it's translation of Obama's comments. "All you crazy religious people who believe in traditional marriage need to change your beliefs!" the blog said. "They're holding you back from joining up with the rest of us super-smart people who aren't burdened by those pesky moral standards given to you by a Higher Power. We know soooooo much better than you and we certainly know soooooo much better than God! Drop the religion crap already and come join us in supporting something you find morally repugnant! Give it time - you'll get over it soon enough!" The blog also saw something of a threat in Obama's comments. "This is our chance to choose to jump up and party with all the same-sex marriage celebrators before you come down and force us to do it?" the blog asked. "What are you going to do if we're still not on board with it? If we still cling to God and religion? 'Cause I'm pretty secure in the knowledge that God will have something to say about that in a future day." Obama, as we reported in 2012, has spent some time shifting and evolving on the issue of gay marriage. In February 1996, he wrote on a candidate questionnaire: “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.” In 2011, however, then-White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer claimed the statement was written by someone else. "What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,” he said during his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign. In 2008, he supported civil unions, but not gay marriage. In 2012, he came on board with gay marriage, apparently reverting back to his 1996 position. But as we reported at the time, there was one caveat. He still supported the states' right to decide the matter for themselves. Celebrating the Supreme Court decision, the White House was lit up in the colors of the gay rainbow flag Friday. The Interior Department marked it with a picture of two men kissing on the edge of Colorado's Black Canyon, drawing praise from many and criticism from others.
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#39. To: GrandIsland (#33)
Another fag defender. I don't advocate killing them. Stone does. Stone does. Quit making stuff up. I've never said any such thing.
Stone does. Quit your YELLA bullshit. I never said anything about "killing"... I accused you of DEFENDING. Grandisland ~ " Another fag defender." You have no honor... you're the most deceptive poster on this site. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Stone does. Quit making stuff up. I've never said any such thing. A cursory search turned up at least one instance of you advocating killing gays. Title: ISIS Celebrates Gay Love by Tossing 4 Gays from Roof of Building Why only 4?
Title: ISIS Celebrates Gay Love by Tossing 4 Gays from Roof of Building #8. To: Fred Mertz (#1) Why only 4? Don't be stupid. Why only 4. That is just a question.
Ok,I'm the moron here,so humor me and tell me all about God and his hatred. I'd really like to hear about how he created everything,including homosexuals,and how he hates them. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I think Mother Nature hates everybody. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
He hates the act, not the person. Please splain how you can have the act without the person. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Nope - not defending them at all. I just don't think the solution is to kill them. Many homosexuals have been productive members of society and have contributed to making the world a better place in spite of their faggotry. Stone (and you I suppose) would ignore that fact. He hates the act, not the person. Please splain how you can have the act without the person. Hate the sin, love the sinner. We all sin, and you were right when you said "I grew up being told that God loves everybody." You could also say the same thing about drunkenness. God hates the act, but loves the person. Is it possible for a parent to love a child and dislike some things the child might do.
It's possible for a parent to love a child and hate everything they do. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Then you answered your own question Pete.
I thought it was Polish cryptologists who in 1932 first discovered ways of deciphering Enigma. The Poles did so with the aid of French-supplied intelligence material obtained from a German spy. The Poles actually built replicas of the machines. The Poles turned over the methodology and the machines to the British and French at the beginning of the war. However, credit for breaking the code was given to Alan Turing and Joan Clark at Bletchley Park in the UK.
I THINK they had help from a Polish partisan group that ambushed a Nazi convoy and managed to capture a early Enigma machine with the code books. IIRC,this was the source of the early British ability to read the Nazi messages. Then the Royal Navy managed to capture a Nazi U-boat and board it before it sank to save the code books and the code machine. Then later in the war the Nazi's developed a new Enigma machine with an additional set of rotors,and it was a whole new game. IIRC,this new code was the one the guy broke. I THINK he is also credited with inventing the first working computer,which is what was needed to reduce the number of possibilities,but could be wrong about this. I got all this from watching a PBS series about "The Code Breakers of Benchley Park"(or some similar title) a few years ago. Despite his young age he was a bleeping genius that headed up the operation,but he by no means did it all by himself. I also read a novel about the Enigma Machine sometime back in the early 60's. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Then you answered your own question Pete. AFAIK,God isn't supposed to hate. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
U505 IIRC... “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
God hated Esau.
My first guess would have to be "ZERO", if it isn't then he sure doesn't remember what he saw... “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Observe the order of precedence in the context of Romans 1:25+ The proliferation of homosexual behavior is a punitive response to something else. Are nations created things?
Pete, God can and does hate. If you want to delve further into this question, get a Strong's Concordance and look up references for the word "hate" or use the online search engine for an online Concordance.
Well those ladies are right in their translation. I think the TV series The Bible called it: Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
While I don't believe there is any such creature,I have no doubt about the truth of that if he does exist. Who could possibly read the Old Testament and have any doubt? Yet God is always portrayed as a kind,gentle,and loving soul. Which I never could equate with sending people to burn in hells fire for eternity. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I think the TV series The Bible called it: Yup. The conservo-chicks were right in their translation/interpretation; And so was the casting director of 'The Bible.' THAT "Satan" so uncannily resembled 0blabla that subsequent scenes were deleted thereafter -- as demanded of the der Fuehrer from his bunker. It seems the power-of-suggestion hit a little to close to home.
Hardly. If I were a younger man with no school aged children I would be seriously thinking about moving out of the U.S. My vote isn't worth sh*t here anymore so moving to a place were I might not be able to vote would be no biggie. Australia might be a better place to live and raise a family these days. Heck even Canada may be save for the weather. I would seriously look at places in Asia and S. America as well. Western Europe, Africa, the ME would not be on the radar screen. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
If you hate the leftism here,you ain't going to like Australia. I would seriously look at places in Asia and S. America as well. Never been to either,have you? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Never been to either,have you? Yes, bor. SA quite some time ago, Asia several times in the past decade. Neither are bastions of freedom nor without social and economic problems (especially racial prejudices) but an anglo foreigner that can speak the language probably could live a relatively pleasant life without every day having to watch and bemoan the destruction of the society in which he grew up. "Australia might be a better place to live and raise a family these days. If you hate the leftism here,you ain't going to like Australia." I wouldn't GAS, at least I know what to expect. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Seems to me that very few Asians exhibit prejudices towards Caucasians. You can live amongst them with no racial problems whatsoever as long as conduct yourself in a respectful manner. Truth to tell,white people are more welcome these days in Asia than they are America. Not so for blacks living in any area where American blacks were stationed in the US Military. Australia and the US had a mini-diplomatic flare up over blacks going to Australia on R&R in 1969,and Australia wanted to ban them due to their conduct. They relented because both the US and Australia were allies in the VN war,and both wanted to show a united front. I did hear plenty of complaints about US blacks while I was there,though. Same thing with Japan. The Japanese have arrested and given stiff prison sentences to a proportionately high number of American blacks for beating,raping,and even murdering Japanese women. I know of two cases where the US government tried to intervene and arrange for the convicts to serve their time in US prisons,and the Japanese basically told them to piss off. I have no doubt that the time they served in a Japanese prison for raping and/or murdering Japanese women was really and truly "hard time". You give a Japanese prison guard any lip,you will get beaten senseless. Different laws and a different approach to the treatment of prisoners. BTW,I was considering a future move to Russia after the collapse of the USSR. Then the Russians were robbed blind by the Clinton Administration as well as by (mostly) German industrialists,and Putin replaced Yeltsin and the friendly atmosphere towards Americans took a major chill. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Depends on where you go. There are pockets were Americans are not well embraced. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I have gone hot and cold, several times, on Russians. I do not think that I would enjoy living there even when I was positive towards them. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
"Why can't we just all get along (and be gay with me)? You won't know if you like until you have tried it... ;) " - Bathhouse (Barry) Obama
I see you disagree... which nation is greater in your opinion? "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
I've never traveled.....nor do I wish to. This is my opinion, (which is shared my most Americans) Ok, so now you can share some person anecdotes about all your travels!..... "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
Those are your words, and your opinion - not mine. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
I see, anti-American..... Which nation, in your opinion fits into your narrow-minded definition? "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
Discriminate against fags. Not really very productive, or very Christ-Like...... Sadly for you, nothing new, am I right? How has your personal discrimination crusade been working? Are you one of those westboro people? "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
It's a shame that you are so pessimistic.... But things are looking up - 4th of July weekend coming up!!! Beer and BBQ!!! "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
Which nation, in your opinion fits into your narrow-minded definition? Call me anti American again and your're banned.
Stop making excuses. If you really believed that there were a better place to live than the USA, you would do everything in your power to go there. I would encourage you to take action now! "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#40. To: Deckard (#39)
I don't advocate killing them.
#41. To: Deckard (#39)
(Edited)
I don't advocate killing them.
#42. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz (#40)
I don't advocate killing them.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#43. To: Deckard (#42)
A cursory search turned up at least one instance of you advocating killing gays.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#35)
Go back and learn to read you f'n moron.
#45. To: GrandIsland (#36)
surely you realize that Mother Nature hates fags.
#46. To: Deckard (#37)
God certainly hates homosexuality.
#47. To: GrandIsland (#41)
Quit your YELLA bullshit. I never said anything about "killing"... I accused you of DEFENDING.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#48. To: sneakypete (#46)
God certainly hates homosexuality.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#49. To: sneakypete (#46)
#50. To: Don (#49)
Is it possible for a parent to love a child and dislike some things the child might do.
#51. To: sneakypete (#50)
It's possible for a parent to love a child and hate everything they do.
#52. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, sneakypete (#30)
The English mathematician that broke the Nazi Enigma codes during WW-2 ...
#53. To: Gatlin (#52)
I thought it was Polish cryptologists who in 1932 first discovered ways of deciphering Enigma.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#51)
It's possible for a parent to love a child and hate everything they do.
#55. To: sneakypete (#53)
(Edited)
Then the Royal Navy managed to capture a Nazi U-boat and board it before it sank to save the code books and the code machine.
#56. To: sneakypete (#54)
#57. To: cranko (#19)
How many countries have you been in and how much time have you spent in each?
#58. To: A K A Stone (#22)
(Edited)
The definition of the greatest nation on earth
#59. To: sneakypete (#54)
#60. To: lana, TooConservative, GarySpFc, liberator, Vicomte13, BobCeleste, CZ82 (#0)
A post at the conservative blog Chicks on the Right posted it's translation of Obama's comments. "All you crazy religious people who believe in traditional marriage need to change your beliefs!" the blog said. "They're holding you back from joining up with the rest of us super-smart people who aren't burdened by those pesky moral standards given to you by a Higher Power. We know soooooo much better than you and we certainly know soooooo much better than God! Drop the religion crap already and come join us in supporting something you find morally repugnant! Give it time - you'll get over it soon enough!"
#61. To: Don (#59)
Pete, God can and does hate.
#62. To: redleghunter, lana, TooConservative, GarySpFc, liberator, Vicomte13, BobCeleste, CZ82 (#60)
Well those ladies are right in their translation.
#63. To: sneakypete, Jameson (#24)
Ok sure, I understand that there are some folks who are ready to have their heads explode, but in reality the USA is still the best place to call home!
#64. To: SOSO (#63)
Australia might be a better place to live and raise a family these days.
#65. To: sneakypete (#64)
would seriously look at places in Asia and S. America as well.
#66. To: SOSO (#65)
(Edited)
but an anglo foreigner that can speak the language probably could live a relatively pleasant life
#67. To: sneakypete (#66)
Truth to tell,white people are more welcome these days in Asia than they are America.
#68. To: sneakypete (#66)
BTW,I was considering a future move to Russia after the collapse of the USSR. Then the Russians were robbed blind by the Clinton Administration as well as by (mostly) German industrialists,and Putin replaced Yeltsin and the friendly atmosphere towards Americans took a major chill.
#69. To: lana (#0)
"But today should also give us hope that on the many issues with which we grapple often painfully real change is possible,”
#70. To: Lenny (#15)
"...we still live in the greatest nation on earth!..."
#71. To: cranko (#19)
How many countries have you been in and how much time have you spent in each?
#72. To: Rufus T Firefly (#20)
"Hey, it's still better than Kenya or Somalia."
#73. To: A K A Stone (#22)
The definition of the greatest nation on earth can't be a nation that thinks queers are anything other then abnormal losers that are also stupid.
#74. To: A K A Stone (#23)
Of course, on the other hand....what are you to do now?
#75. To: sneakypete (#24)
IMHO that is more of a statement on the sorry situation in other countries all around the world than it is a tribute to America.
#76. To: Jameson (#73)
(Edited)
I see, anti-American.....
#77. To: SOSO (#63)
If I were a younger man with no school aged children I would be seriously thinking about moving out of the U.S.
#78. To: Jameson (#77)
(Edited)
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