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Title: Obama: Americans need to shift religious views to accept gay marriage
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URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/oba ... s-views-to-accept-gay-marriage
Published: Jun 27, 2015
Author: Joe Newby
Post Date: 2015-06-27 15:05:46 by lana
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Obama: Americans need to shift religious views to accept gay marriage After the Supreme Court issued its ruling on gay marriage Friday, President Obama gave a speech in which he said Americans need to change their religious views to be accepting of gay marriage, the Daily Caller reported. To that end, he encouraged gay marriage supporters to "help” people overcome their deeply-held religious views. “I know that Americans of goodwill continue to hold a wide range of views on this issue,” he said. Initially, he exhibited a bit of respect for those who oppose same-sex marriage. "Opposition in some cases has been based on sincere and deeply held beliefs,” he said. “All of us who welcome today’s news should be mindful of that fact. Recognize different viewpoints. Revere our deep commitment to religious freedom.” "But today should also give us hope that on the many issues with which we grapple often painfully real change is possible,” he added. The implication was clear: Those who disagree with the idea of gay marriage based, for example, on their religious views, must change to be more like progressives who accept gay marriage. “Shifts in hearts and minds is possible,” he added. “And those who have come so far on their journey to equality have a responsibility to reach back and help others join them. Because for all our differences, we are one people — stronger together than we could ever be alone.” "That’s always been our story," he continued. "We are big and vast, and diverse. A nation of people with different backgrounds and beliefs, with different experiences and stories, but bound by our shared ideal that no matter who you are, or what you look like, how you started off, or how and who you love — America’s a place where you can write your own destiny.” A post at the conservative blog Chicks on the Right posted it's translation of Obama's comments. "All you crazy religious people who believe in traditional marriage need to change your beliefs!" the blog said. "They're holding you back from joining up with the rest of us super-smart people who aren't burdened by those pesky moral standards given to you by a Higher Power. We know soooooo much better than you and we certainly know soooooo much better than God! Drop the religion crap already and come join us in supporting something you find morally repugnant! Give it time - you'll get over it soon enough!" The blog also saw something of a threat in Obama's comments. "This is our chance to choose to jump up and party with all the same-sex marriage celebrators before you come down and force us to do it?" the blog asked. "What are you going to do if we're still not on board with it? If we still cling to God and religion? 'Cause I'm pretty secure in the knowledge that God will have something to say about that in a future day." Obama, as we reported in 2012, has spent some time shifting and evolving on the issue of gay marriage. In February 1996, he wrote on a candidate questionnaire: “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.” In 2011, however, then-White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer claimed the statement was written by someone else. "What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,” he said during his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign. In 2008, he supported civil unions, but not gay marriage. In 2012, he came on board with gay marriage, apparently reverting back to his 1996 position. But as we reported at the time, there was one caveat. He still supported the states' right to decide the matter for themselves. Celebrating the Supreme Court decision, the White House was lit up in the colors of the gay rainbow flag Friday. The Interior Department marked it with a picture of two men kissing on the edge of Colorado's Black Canyon, drawing praise from many and criticism from others.
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#24. To: Jameson (#11)
IMHO that is more of a statement on the sorry situation in other countries all around the world than it is a tribute to America. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The English mathematician that broke the Nazi Enigma codes during WW-2 was a homosexual. Do you think you are smarter than he was? BTW,it became known that he was a homosexual after the war,and he lost his job and pretty much everything he had worked for because of it,and IIRC,he ended up killing himself. I guess you think that was a just reward for his work during WW-2? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Good.
Good. You are a sick puppy,Stone. It can't be fun to live with all that hatred boiling over in you every day. BTW,you called him stupid,and didn't answer my question about do you think you are smarter than he was. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It can't be fun to live with all that hatred boiling over in you every day. I don't give a shit about some dead faggot.
You care enough to be glad his government took everything from him after the war,and that he committed suicide because of it. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
after the war,and he lost his job and pretty much everything he had worked for because of it Good. His deciphering of the Enigma codes played a huge part in us winning the war, and you say"good"? Unreal. Say - you aren't part of the "God Hates Fags" clan, are you? 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
God certainly hates homosexuality. Do you disagree?
Another fag defender. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I grew up being told that God loves everybody. Can you please point me to the part of the Bible where it says God hates homosexuals? Thank you in advance. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Go back and learn to read you f'n moron.
I'm sure Stone can find you your answer... but if he can't, surely you realize that Mother Nature hates fags... "Since the epidemic began, almost 92,613 persons with AIDS that were infected through heterosexual sex, have died, including an estimated 4,550 in 20123." I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
He hates the act, not the person. You can read better then sneaky the peter.
Another fag defender. I don't advocate killing them. Stone does. Stone does. Quit making stuff up. I've never said any such thing.
Stone does. Quit your YELLA bullshit. I never said anything about "killing"... I accused you of DEFENDING. Grandisland ~ " Another fag defender." You have no honor... you're the most deceptive poster on this site. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Stone does. Quit making stuff up. I've never said any such thing. A cursory search turned up at least one instance of you advocating killing gays. Title: ISIS Celebrates Gay Love by Tossing 4 Gays from Roof of Building Why only 4?
Title: ISIS Celebrates Gay Love by Tossing 4 Gays from Roof of Building #8. To: Fred Mertz (#1) Why only 4? Don't be stupid. Why only 4. That is just a question.
Ok,I'm the moron here,so humor me and tell me all about God and his hatred. I'd really like to hear about how he created everything,including homosexuals,and how he hates them. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I think Mother Nature hates everybody. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
He hates the act, not the person. Please splain how you can have the act without the person. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Nope - not defending them at all. I just don't think the solution is to kill them. Many homosexuals have been productive members of society and have contributed to making the world a better place in spite of their faggotry. Stone (and you I suppose) would ignore that fact. He hates the act, not the person. Please splain how you can have the act without the person. Hate the sin, love the sinner. We all sin, and you were right when you said "I grew up being told that God loves everybody." You could also say the same thing about drunkenness. God hates the act, but loves the person. Is it possible for a parent to love a child and dislike some things the child might do.
It's possible for a parent to love a child and hate everything they do. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Then you answered your own question Pete.
I thought it was Polish cryptologists who in 1932 first discovered ways of deciphering Enigma. The Poles did so with the aid of French-supplied intelligence material obtained from a German spy. The Poles actually built replicas of the machines. The Poles turned over the methodology and the machines to the British and French at the beginning of the war. However, credit for breaking the code was given to Alan Turing and Joan Clark at Bletchley Park in the UK.
I THINK they had help from a Polish partisan group that ambushed a Nazi convoy and managed to capture a early Enigma machine with the code books. IIRC,this was the source of the early British ability to read the Nazi messages. Then the Royal Navy managed to capture a Nazi U-boat and board it before it sank to save the code books and the code machine. Then later in the war the Nazi's developed a new Enigma machine with an additional set of rotors,and it was a whole new game. IIRC,this new code was the one the guy broke. I THINK he is also credited with inventing the first working computer,which is what was needed to reduce the number of possibilities,but could be wrong about this. I got all this from watching a PBS series about "The Code Breakers of Benchley Park"(or some similar title) a few years ago. Despite his young age he was a bleeping genius that headed up the operation,but he by no means did it all by himself. I also read a novel about the Enigma Machine sometime back in the early 60's. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Then you answered your own question Pete. AFAIK,God isn't supposed to hate. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
U505 IIRC... “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
God hated Esau.
My first guess would have to be "ZERO", if it isn't then he sure doesn't remember what he saw... “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Observe the order of precedence in the context of Romans 1:25+ The proliferation of homosexual behavior is a punitive response to something else. Are nations created things?
Pete, God can and does hate. If you want to delve further into this question, get a Strong's Concordance and look up references for the word "hate" or use the online search engine for an online Concordance.
Well those ladies are right in their translation. I think the TV series The Bible called it: Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
While I don't believe there is any such creature,I have no doubt about the truth of that if he does exist. Who could possibly read the Old Testament and have any doubt? Yet God is always portrayed as a kind,gentle,and loving soul. Which I never could equate with sending people to burn in hells fire for eternity. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I think the TV series The Bible called it: Yup. The conservo-chicks were right in their translation/interpretation; And so was the casting director of 'The Bible.' THAT "Satan" so uncannily resembled 0blabla that subsequent scenes were deleted thereafter -- as demanded of the der Fuehrer from his bunker. It seems the power-of-suggestion hit a little to close to home.
Hardly. If I were a younger man with no school aged children I would be seriously thinking about moving out of the U.S. My vote isn't worth sh*t here anymore so moving to a place were I might not be able to vote would be no biggie. Australia might be a better place to live and raise a family these days. Heck even Canada may be save for the weather. I would seriously look at places in Asia and S. America as well. Western Europe, Africa, the ME would not be on the radar screen. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestOk sure, I understand that there are some folks who are ready to have their heads explode, but in reality the USA is still the best place to call home!
#25. To: A K A Stone (#22)
The definition of the greatest nation on earth can't be a nation that thinks queers are anything other then abnormal losers that are also stupid.
#26. To: sneakypete (#25)
after the war,and he lost his job and pretty much everything he had worked for because of it
#27. To: A K A Stone (#26)
(Edited)
after the war,and he lost his job and pretty much everything he had worked for because of it
#28. To: sneakypete (#27)
You are a sick puppy,Stone.
#29. To: A K A Stone (#28)
I don't give a shit about some dead faggot.
#30. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#26)
The English mathematician that broke the Nazi Enigma codes during WW-2 was a homosexual
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#31. To: Deckard (#30)
#32. To: Deckard (#30)
Say - you aren't part of the "God Hates Fags" clan, are you?
#33. To: Deckard (#30)
Say - you aren't part of the "God Hates Fags" clan, are you?
#34. To: A K A Stone (#32)
God certainly hates homosexuality.
#35. To: sneakypete (#34)
#36. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#34)
(Edited)
Can you please point me to the part of the Bible where it says God hates homosexuals?
#37. To: A K A Stone (#32)
God certainly hates homosexuality.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#38. To: Deckard (#37)
#39. To: GrandIsland (#33)
Say - you aren't part of the "God Hates Fags" clan, are you?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#40. To: Deckard (#39)
I don't advocate killing them.
#41. To: Deckard (#39)
(Edited)
I don't advocate killing them.
#42. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz (#40)
I don't advocate killing them.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#43. To: Deckard (#42)
A cursory search turned up at least one instance of you advocating killing gays.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#35)
Go back and learn to read you f'n moron.
#45. To: GrandIsland (#36)
surely you realize that Mother Nature hates fags.
#46. To: Deckard (#37)
God certainly hates homosexuality.
#47. To: GrandIsland (#41)
Quit your YELLA bullshit. I never said anything about "killing"... I accused you of DEFENDING.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#48. To: sneakypete (#46)
God certainly hates homosexuality.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#49. To: sneakypete (#46)
#50. To: Don (#49)
Is it possible for a parent to love a child and dislike some things the child might do.
#51. To: sneakypete (#50)
It's possible for a parent to love a child and hate everything they do.
#52. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, sneakypete (#30)
The English mathematician that broke the Nazi Enigma codes during WW-2 ...
#53. To: Gatlin (#52)
I thought it was Polish cryptologists who in 1932 first discovered ways of deciphering Enigma.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#51)
It's possible for a parent to love a child and hate everything they do.
#55. To: sneakypete (#53)
(Edited)
Then the Royal Navy managed to capture a Nazi U-boat and board it before it sank to save the code books and the code machine.
#56. To: sneakypete (#54)
#57. To: cranko (#19)
How many countries have you been in and how much time have you spent in each?
#58. To: A K A Stone (#22)
(Edited)
The definition of the greatest nation on earth
#59. To: sneakypete (#54)
#60. To: lana, TooConservative, GarySpFc, liberator, Vicomte13, BobCeleste, CZ82 (#0)
A post at the conservative blog Chicks on the Right posted it's translation of Obama's comments. "All you crazy religious people who believe in traditional marriage need to change your beliefs!" the blog said. "They're holding you back from joining up with the rest of us super-smart people who aren't burdened by those pesky moral standards given to you by a Higher Power. We know soooooo much better than you and we certainly know soooooo much better than God! Drop the religion crap already and come join us in supporting something you find morally repugnant! Give it time - you'll get over it soon enough!"
#61. To: Don (#59)
Pete, God can and does hate.
#62. To: redleghunter, lana, TooConservative, GarySpFc, liberator, Vicomte13, BobCeleste, CZ82 (#60)
Well those ladies are right in their translation.
#63. To: sneakypete, Jameson (#24)
Ok sure, I understand that there are some folks who are ready to have their heads explode, but in reality the USA is still the best place to call home!
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