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Title: Obama: Americans need to shift religious views to accept gay marriage
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URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/oba ... s-views-to-accept-gay-marriage
Published: Jun 27, 2015
Author: Joe Newby
Post Date: 2015-06-27 15:05:46 by lana
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Views: 23155
Comments: 141
Obama: Americans need to shift religious views to accept gay marriage After the Supreme Court issued its ruling on gay marriage Friday, President Obama gave a speech in which he said Americans need to change their religious views to be accepting of gay marriage, the Daily Caller reported. To that end, he encouraged gay marriage supporters to "help” people overcome their deeply-held religious views. “I know that Americans of goodwill continue to hold a wide range of views on this issue,” he said. Initially, he exhibited a bit of respect for those who oppose same-sex marriage. "Opposition in some cases has been based on sincere and deeply held beliefs,” he said. “All of us who welcome today’s news should be mindful of that fact. Recognize different viewpoints. Revere our deep commitment to religious freedom.” "But today should also give us hope that on the many issues with which we grapple often painfully real change is possible,” he added. The implication was clear: Those who disagree with the idea of gay marriage based, for example, on their religious views, must change to be more like progressives who accept gay marriage. “Shifts in hearts and minds is possible,” he added. “And those who have come so far on their journey to equality have a responsibility to reach back and help others join them. Because for all our differences, we are one people — stronger together than we could ever be alone.” "That’s always been our story," he continued. "We are big and vast, and diverse. A nation of people with different backgrounds and beliefs, with different experiences and stories, but bound by our shared ideal that no matter who you are, or what you look like, how you started off, or how and who you love — America’s a place where you can write your own destiny.” A post at the conservative blog Chicks on the Right posted it's translation of Obama's comments. "All you crazy religious people who believe in traditional marriage need to change your beliefs!" the blog said. "They're holding you back from joining up with the rest of us super-smart people who aren't burdened by those pesky moral standards given to you by a Higher Power. We know soooooo much better than you and we certainly know soooooo much better than God! Drop the religion crap already and come join us in supporting something you find morally repugnant! Give it time - you'll get over it soon enough!" The blog also saw something of a threat in Obama's comments. "This is our chance to choose to jump up and party with all the same-sex marriage celebrators before you come down and force us to do it?" the blog asked. "What are you going to do if we're still not on board with it? If we still cling to God and religion? 'Cause I'm pretty secure in the knowledge that God will have something to say about that in a future day." Obama, as we reported in 2012, has spent some time shifting and evolving on the issue of gay marriage. In February 1996, he wrote on a candidate questionnaire: “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.” In 2011, however, then-White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer claimed the statement was written by someone else. "What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,” he said during his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign. In 2008, he supported civil unions, but not gay marriage. In 2012, he came on board with gay marriage, apparently reverting back to his 1996 position. But as we reported at the time, there was one caveat. He still supported the states' right to decide the matter for themselves. Celebrating the Supreme Court decision, the White House was lit up in the colors of the gay rainbow flag Friday. The Interior Department marked it with a picture of two men kissing on the edge of Colorado's Black Canyon, drawing praise from many and criticism from others.
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#89. To: Rufus T Firefly (#87)
"America is gone, and the hill has been replaced by a dung heap. " These are your words. "...Reagan referred to the USA as a ". . . . shining city on a hill" Those words were John Winthrop's "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
Jameson "celebrating" BBQ Day: "gurgle...gurgle....oh, baby....Am I a man now? Or woman? Nevermind. It feels goooood to celebrate whatever Day this is." (chick-wicka-bow-wow)
For Jameson, the more flies and maggots buzzing, the "shinier" the dung-hill.
Thanks for the history lesson. Now back to the point - is America still a shining city on a hill? Was it ever (in your opinion)?
Still waiting... 1) Go ahead and lecture us on the "discrimination crusade" (as you've been indoctrinated.) 2) Do you support the 1st Amendment? 3) Do you believe "dignity" (Kennedy's word) is the basis for sodomy-Marriage? 4) Are you one of those confused gender people who believe Westboro represents "Christ-ian"? 5) Since you seem to know, tell us...about your "Christ." We're all ears. Thanks.
Not a lot to celebrate in recent years with freedom and liberty rapidly on the decline. What I'm trying to get his or her viewpoint on is simple - Whatever one's concept of "America" is - overvall, have we advanced, or declined? Simple question, really. And in a world full of hellholes and backwaters, saying "well, America is still better than [fill in the blank]" hardly seems comforting when looking at the bigger picture.
I agree. Sadly. It's almost a day of national mourning, truth be told. But then that's been the MO of the Statist-Globalists as well as the socialists. They are trying to eradicate America's traditions, heritage, and everything good and noble about it. Too many good men and patriots are allowing it to happen -- THAT is most disappointing.
Declined. What the leftist progressives call 'advancement' has caused the decline of our nation. It is advancement to them...advancement to secular Marxism. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Whatever one's concept of "America" is - overvall, have we advanced, or declined? Simple question, really. I'd assume a good little God-less, socialist transgender-whatever troll like Jameson would consider ANY wreckage of America to be "advancement." In a world full of hellholes and backwaters, saying "well, America is still better than [fill in the blank]" hardly seems comforting when looking at the bigger picture. Exactly. These same socialists and America-haters have been trying to sabotage America and "level the playing field" since the 1970s. ALL the while flopping around in their hot tub, cruising vacations, and cashing in their gubmint Golden Parachutes. D*mn hypocrites.
LOL
It was a Puritan phrase, revived first by JFK then by Reagan. Wiki: ... In the twentieth century, the image was used a number of times in American politics. On 9 January 1961, President-Elect John F. Kennedy returned the phrase to prominence during an address delivered to the General Court of Massachusetts: ... President Ronald Reagan used the image as well, in his 1984 acceptance of the Republican Party nomination[3] and in his January 11, 1989, farewell speech to the nation:
Interesting factoid. Odds of 0blabla referring to America as a "Shining City upon a Hill": 0%
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Is this perfect or what? Heh! (I think I'll send it to my liberal-left homo-loving, Christian-hating college professor friend whose "job" is brainwashing pods. In typical narcissistic Marxist fashion, his "fantasy -- believe it or not -- is 'performing" his class in a stadium.)
Send him this too! Nothing like a Tim Tebow pic to get the juices of hatred flowing with libs:) Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Those words were John Winthrop's They were Reagans in the example given because they were a key part of the speech he made. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
LOL! Good one! I expect to see birds flying backwards before that happens. Or to see a feral law passed making white people slaves. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
They were all cribbing from Augustine's The City of God, considered his greatest work.
1) "discrimination crusade" - It was your hero and site owner who has stated that he does, and will continue to discriminate.....check with him 2) Do you support the 1st Amendment? Of course, do you? 3) Do you believe "dignity" (Kennedy's word) is the basis for sodomy-Marriage? No. 4) Are you one of those confused gender people who believe Westboro represents "Christ-ian"? Sorry, no... you'll have to keep looking... 5) Since you seem to know, tell us...about your "Christ." We're all ears. Read the book "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
Absolutely. It has been for a couple hundred years, and will continue to be. That's my opinion, since you asked so nicely. I've know a great many young (and not-so-young) people from other parts of the world, who have come here to study, to learn, and to work. They mortgage all they have, in many cases all their entire family has ever had - just for the opportunity. Then they return home and try to spread their experience and their training to their country. We continue to innovate, research, develop, and build. We continue to evolve as a culture and grow as a society. The future is bright. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I see things quite differently. The America you described gradually ceased to exist, starting probably 50 years ago (or more.) When the Founders created for posterity a "CONTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC" they assumed there would always be a pool of statesmen to draw from. Statesmen who would lead (not stick their moist finger to the wind). Statesmen who would take the long view - sometimes doing the unpopular thing. Instead we are infested at all levels of government (and now the courts) with politicians. Politicians could be compared to prostitutes, and their supporters to "johns" - but that would be an insult to whores and their clients. Today's pols have entered a Faustian bargain - their "johns" get more and more freebies and benefits, as long as they keep voting them in. And due to the "bipartisan" efforts of both Ds and Rs, numbers of freebie seekers will continue to grow exponentially. So the politicians have given us a welfare state - and now the courts have given us Ancient Rome. "The future is bright" you say. So is the headlight of an oncoming train.
And I learned a very, very, very long time ago that giving them what they want only makes them worse not happy. Cause it's "IMPOSSIBLE" for a Leftard to be happy, they're too stupid!!!!!!!
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Yes, ignorant people often make absurd assertions because they don't have the facts. The U.S. is 12th in Economic Freedom The U.S. is a lowly 49th in Press Freedom But my favorite category is one I called petty tyranny. There aren't any police in Thailand shutting down kid's mango stands. There aren't any regulations in the Philippines that prevents people from competing in the taxi business. There aren't any laws in China prohibiting smoking in restaurants, bars, and office buildings. On and on and on... The U.S. has become one of the biggest petty tyrannies on the planet, especially compared to what we were 40 or 50 years ago.
I would encourage you to take action now! ARe you a turd in real life or do you jusy play one on LF? And do you know how to read? What part of "If I were a younger man with no school aged children...." don't you comptrehend? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Ok,thanks for the history lesson. I did not know that. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I think it started in the 1920's when the Soviet Union created their program to take over our schools,but your 50 year estimate is pretty much on the mark for when the takeover was complete and they were going full-speed ahead. No American born since 1964 has ever lived in a free country and has no idea what they are missing. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
God is merciful, forgiving, and loving. He is also holy and fearful. Many believe that when they meet God, they will "tell off the old geezer" and be happy to go to Hell where they will have the time of their life or simply cease to exist. I can only say that when they meet God, they won't tell Him off. They won't nonchalantly march off to Hell. Hell is a place of darkness and torment and great fear. That is why Christians do things to warn people of the blessings of Heaven and the punishments of Hell, a place of torment and regret that they didn't take advantage of God's offer of salvation when they had the chance. There will be no one in Hell who will be able to say they didn't know or didn't have the opportunity to gain a ticket to be with God in His Kingdom.
Ok.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sure, I can read, can you? "...If I were a younger man with no school aged children..." is an excuse. If you really believed that there were a better place to live than the USA, you would do everything in your power to go there. So you're either unwilling to do what "YOU" believe is best for your family - or - you're just full of shit and a whiner on an insignificant web forum populated by a bunch of old malcontents.... I'll bet on the later. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
There aren't any laws in China prohibiting smoking in restaurants, bars, and office buildings. On and on and on... yeah, we would all be better off if we were more like china...right? Sad "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
What is that going to consist of other than pinching a loaf out in the back yard while the neighbors are walking by??? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Are you a dung beetle?? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
It's boring to read adolescent attempts at insults coming from some bitter old hump like you. But, I find your weakness amusing. So anyway - "wreckage of America" Just what do you mean, wreckage? "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you."
Grade of insult: D- Just what do you mean, wreckage? Insert binky. Go back to nappy-time.
I know -- it's just another day. The least they can do is blast 'YMCA' while playing "Pinch-the-Loaf," or, "Hide-the-Salami." :-)
That's kinda high up on the "evolutionary" scale. Maybe he's a larva, but aspiring dung beetle. Dunno how much *that* hill is going to shine.
The new "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave??" WHO KNEW! Just don't have that *second* baby, Mao :-(
Noooooooo....!!! (True dat.)
All I hear from him are platitudes nothing of substance... He's also beginning to sound like meguro! “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
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#90. To: Jameson (#88)
#91. To: Rufus T Firefly, Jameson (#87)
That America is gone, and the hill has been replaced by a dung heap.
#92. To: Jameson (#89)
#93. To: Jameson, A K A Stone (#88)
#94. To: Liberator (#82)
This is America's Independence Day.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#95. To: Liberator, Jameson (#91)
For Jameson, the more flies and maggots buzzing, the "shinier" the dung-hill.
#96. To: Deckard (#94)
#97. To: Rufus T Firefly, tomder55, liberator, GarySpFc, CZ82 (#95)
Whatever one's concept of "America" is - overvall, have we advanced, or declined?
#98. To: Rufus T Firefly, Jameson (#95)
What I'm trying to get his or her viewpoint on is simple -
#99. To: Rufus T Firefly, Jameson, redleghunter (#92)
Thanks for the history lesson.
#100. To: Rufus T Firefly (#87)
The phrase entered the American lexicon early in its history, in the Puritan John Winthrop's 1630 sermon "A Model of Christian Charity". Still aboard the ship Arbella, Winthrop admonished the future Massachusetts Bay colonists that their new community would be "as a city upon a hill", watched by the world — which became the ideal the New England colonists placed upon their hilly capital city, Boston.[1] The Puritans' community in New England would set an example of communal charity, affection, and unity to the world, or if the Puritans failed to uphold their covenant of God, "we shall be made a story and a by-word through the world" of God's judgement. Winthrop's sermon gave rise to the widespread belief in American folklore that the United States of America is God's country because metaphorically it is a Shining City upon a Hill, an early example of American exceptionalism.
#101. To: TooConservative (#100)
#102. To: Liberator, CZ82 (#91)
#103. To: redleghunter, CZ82 (#102)
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#104. To: Liberator, CZ82, TooConservative, GarySpFc, A K A Stone, BobCeleste, Don (#103)
#105. To: Jameson, Rufus T Firefly (#89)
"...Reagan referred to the USA as a ". . . . shining city on a hill"
#106. To: Liberator (#101)
Odds of 0blabla referring to America as a "Shining City upon a Hill":
#107. To: sneakypete (#105)
They were Reagans in the example given because they were a key part of the speech he made.
#108. To: Liberator, AKA Stone (#93)
#109. To: Rufus T Firefly (#92)
is America still a shining city on a hill?
#110. To: Jameson (#109)
#111. To: redleghunter, Liberator (#102)
#112. To: Jameson (#71)
(Edited)
This is my opinion, (which is shared my most Americans)
#113. To: Jameson (#77)
If you really believed that there were a better place to live than the USA, you would do everything in your power to go there.
#114. To: TooConservative (#107)
They were all cribbing from Augustine's The City of God, considered his greatest work.
#115. To: Rufus T Firefly (#110)
The America you described gradually ceased to exist, starting probably 50 years ago (or more.)
#116. To: sneakypete (#61)
#117. To: Don (#116)
#118. To: SOSO (#113)
do you know how to read? What part of "If I were a younger man with no school aged children...
#119. To: cranko (#112)
Yes, ignorant people often make absurd assertions because they don't have the facts.
#120. To: Liberator (#82)
Btw -- ready to crack open the bubbly for the new national holiday -- 'LBGT Day'?
#121. To: Jameson, Liberator, redleghunter (#109)
The future is bright.
#122. To: Liberator (#98)
I'd assume a good little God-less, socialist transgender-whatever troll like Jameson would consider ANY wreckage of America to be "advancement."
#123. To: Jameson (#122)
It's boring to read adolescent attempts at insults coming from some bitter old hump like you.
#124. To: CZ82 (#120)
What is that going to consist of other than pinching a loaf out in the back yard while the neighbors are walking by???
#125. To: CZ82, Jameson, redleghunter (#121)
Jameson: "The future is bright....We continue to evolve as a culture and grow as a society."
"Are you a dung beetle??"
#126. To: Jameson, cranko (#119)
There aren't any laws in China prohibiting smoking in restaurants, bars, and office buildings. On and on and on...
#127. To: redleghunter (#104)
#128. To: Liberator, Jameson (#125)
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