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Title: Obama: Americans need to shift religious views to accept gay marriage
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URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/oba ... s-views-to-accept-gay-marriage
Published: Jun 27, 2015
Author: Joe Newby
Post Date: 2015-06-27 15:05:46 by lana
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Views: 23006
Comments: 141

Obama: Americans need to shift religious views to accept gay marriage

After the Supreme Court issued its ruling on gay marriage Friday, President Obama gave a speech in which he said Americans need to change their religious views to be accepting of gay marriage, the Daily Caller reported. To that end, he encouraged gay marriage supporters to "help” people overcome their deeply-held religious views.

“I know that Americans of goodwill continue to hold a wide range of views on this issue,” he said. Initially, he exhibited a bit of respect for those who oppose same-sex marriage.

"Opposition in some cases has been based on sincere and deeply held beliefs,” he said. “All of us who welcome today’s news should be mindful of that fact. Recognize different viewpoints. Revere our deep commitment to religious freedom.”

"But today should also give us hope that on the many issues with which we grapple often painfully real change is possible,” he added. The implication was clear: Those who disagree with the idea of gay marriage based, for example, on their religious views, must change to be more like progressives who accept gay marriage.

“Shifts in hearts and minds is possible,” he added. “And those who have come so far on their journey to equality have a responsibility to reach back and help others join them. Because for all our differences, we are one people — stronger together than we could ever be alone.”

"That’s always been our story," he continued. "We are big and vast, and diverse. A nation of people with different backgrounds and beliefs, with different experiences and stories, but bound by our shared ideal that no matter who you are, or what you look like, how you started off, or how and who you love — America’s a place where you can write your own destiny.”

A post at the conservative blog Chicks on the Right posted it's translation of Obama's comments. "All you crazy religious people who believe in traditional marriage need to change your beliefs!" the blog said. "They're holding you back from joining up with the rest of us super-smart people who aren't burdened by those pesky moral standards given to you by a Higher Power. We know soooooo much better than you and we certainly know soooooo much better than God! Drop the religion crap already and come join us in supporting something you find morally repugnant! Give it time - you'll get over it soon enough!"

The blog also saw something of a threat in Obama's comments. "This is our chance to choose to jump up and party with all the same-sex marriage celebrators before you come down and force us to do it?" the blog asked. "What are you going to do if we're still not on board with it? If we still cling to God and religion? 'Cause I'm pretty secure in the knowledge that God will have something to say about that in a future day."

Obama, as we reported in 2012, has spent some time shifting and evolving on the issue of gay marriage. In February 1996, he wrote on a candidate questionnaire: “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.” In 2011, however, then-White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer claimed the statement was written by someone else.

"What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,” he said during his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign. In 2008, he supported civil unions, but not gay marriage.

In 2012, he came on board with gay marriage, apparently reverting back to his 1996 position. But as we reported at the time, there was one caveat. He still supported the states' right to decide the matter for themselves.

Celebrating the Supreme Court decision, the White House was lit up in the colors of the gay rainbow flag Friday. The Interior Department marked it with a picture of two men kissing on the edge of Colorado's Black Canyon, drawing praise from many and criticism from others.

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#1. To: lana (#0)

0blabla:

"What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,” he said during his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign. In 2008, he supported civil unions, but not gay marriage.

This man is a pathological liar. We all know that.

0blabla not told a single truth his entire life -- much less during his fake, contrived Presidency.

Meanwhile, the anecdotal sickening level of over-representation and influence within this gubmint was on display:

Celebrating the Supreme Court decision, the White House was lit up in the colors of the gay rainbow flag Friday. The Interior Department marked it with a picture of two men kissing on the edge of Colorado's Black Canyon, drawing praise from many and criticism from others.

America: An absolute disgrace from seas to shining sea; an effete nation of cowards (Holder was right.) America IS at the Salton Sea stage of its existence.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-27   15:26:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#1)

America: An absolute disgrace from seas to shining sea; an effete nation of cowards (Holder was right.) America IS at the Salton Sea stage of its existence.

Perhaps you're over-reacting a bit..... really, we still live in the greatest nation on earth!

Ok sure, I understand that there are some folks who are ready to have their heads explode, but in reality the USA is still the best place to call home!

Maybe we should all be thankful that we have the rights to disagree and debate.....

Of course, on the other hand....what are you to do now? Will you renounce your citizenship and settle elsewhere?

Or what?

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-27   17:07:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jameson (#11)

Maybe we should all be thankful that we have the rights to disagree and debate.....

It should read STILL have the rights to disagree and debate. Totalitarianism, you see, when it comes to full fruition DOES NOT TOLERATE dissent.

Look no further than the totalitarian democrat party . . . . no debate or dissent there.

Of course, on the other hand....what are you to do now? Will you renounce your citizenship and settle elsewhere?

Or what?

Yes, in 35 or so short years we've gone from Reagan's "Shining City on a Hill" to Jameson's "Hey, it's still better than Kenya or Somalia."

Progress, huh?

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-06-27   18:32:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Rufus T Firefly (#20)

"Hey, it's still better than Kenya or Somalia."

Those are your words, and your opinion - not mine.

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-29   7:57:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Jameson (#72)

Hey, it's still better than Kenya or Somalia."

Those are your words, and your opinion - not mine.

No.

My words (which you chose not to comment on) were an observation that sometime in the 80s Reagan referred to the USA as a ". . . . shining city on a hill"

That America is gone, and the hill has been replaced by a dung heap.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-06-29   8:35:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Rufus T Firefly (#87)

"Hey, it's still better than Kenya or Somalia."

"America is gone, and the hill has been replaced by a dung heap. "

These are your words.

"...Reagan referred to the USA as a ". . . . shining city on a hill"

Those words were John Winthrop's

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-29   8:44:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Jameson (#89)

Thanks for the history lesson.

Now back to the point - is America still a shining city on a hill?

Was it ever (in your opinion)?

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-06-29   8:53:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Rufus T Firefly (#92)

is America still a shining city on a hill?

Absolutely.

It has been for a couple hundred years, and will continue to be.

That's my opinion, since you asked so nicely.

I've know a great many young (and not-so-young) people from other parts of the world, who have come here to study, to learn, and to work.

They mortgage all they have, in many cases all their entire family has ever had - just for the opportunity.

Then they return home and try to spread their experience and their training to their country.

We continue to innovate, research, develop, and build. We continue to evolve as a culture and grow as a society.

The future is bright.

Jameson  posted on  2015-06-29   12:20:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Jameson (#109)

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I see things quite differently. The America you described gradually ceased to exist, starting probably 50 years ago (or more.)

When the Founders created for posterity a "CONTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC" they assumed there would always be a pool of statesmen to draw from. Statesmen who would lead (not stick their moist finger to the wind). Statesmen who would take the long view - sometimes doing the unpopular thing. Instead we are infested at all levels of government (and now the courts) with politicians.

Politicians could be compared to prostitutes, and their supporters to "johns" - but that would be an insult to whores and their clients. Today's pols have entered a Faustian bargain - their "johns" get more and more freebies and benefits, as long as they keep voting them in. And due to the "bipartisan" efforts of both Ds and Rs, numbers of freebie seekers will continue to grow exponentially.

So the politicians have given us a welfare state - and now the courts have given us Ancient Rome.

"The future is bright" you say.

So is the headlight of an oncoming train.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-06-29   13:25:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Rufus T Firefly (#110)

The America you described gradually ceased to exist, starting probably 50 years ago (or more.)

I think it started in the 1920's when the Soviet Union created their program to take over our schools,but your 50 year estimate is pretty much on the mark for when the takeover was complete and they were going full-speed ahead.

No American born since 1964 has ever lived in a free country and has no idea what they are missing.

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