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Title: Now that Butt pirates can get married, It’s Time to Legalize Polygamy
Source: Politico
URL Source: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st ... ygamy-119469.html#.VY6ebEb3-hY
Published: Jun 27, 2015
Author: FREDRIK DEBOER
Post Date: 2015-06-27 09:06:04 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 7322
Comments: 64

Welcome to the exciting new world of the slippery slope. With the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling this Friday legalizing same sex marriage in all 50 states, social liberalism has achieved one of its central goals. A right seemingly unthinkable two decades ago has now been broadly applied to a whole new class of citizens. Following on the rejection of interracial marriage bans in the 20th Century, the Supreme Court decision clearly shows that marriage should be a broadly applicable right—one that forces the government to recognize, as Friday’s decision said, a private couple’s “love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice and family.”

The question presents itself: Where does the next advance come? The answer is going to make nearly everyone uncomfortable: Now that we’ve defined that love and devotion and family isn’t driven by gender alone, why should it be limited to just two individuals? The most natural advance next for marriage lies in legalized polygamy—yet many of the same people who pressed for marriage equality for gay couples oppose it.

This is not an abstract issue. In Chief Justice John Roberts’ dissenting opinion, he remarks, “It is striking how much of the majority’s reasoning would apply with equal force to the claim of a fundamental right to plural marriage.” As is often the case with critics of polygamy, he neglects to mention why this is a fate to be feared. Polygamy today stands as a taboo just as strong as same-sex marriage was several decades ago—it’s effectively only discussed as outdated jokes about Utah and Mormons, who banned the practice over 120 years ago.

Yet the moral reasoning behind society’s rejection of polygamy remains just as uncomfortable and legally weak as same-sex marriage opposition was until recently.

That’s one reason why progressives who reject the case for legal polygamy often don’t really appear to have their hearts in it. They seem uncomfortable voicing their objections, clearly unused to being in the position of rejecting the appeals of those who would codify non-traditional relationships in law. They are, without exception, accepting of the right of consenting adults to engage in whatever sexual and romantic relationships they choose, but oppose the formal, legal recognition of those relationships. They’re trapped, I suspect, in prior opposition that they voiced from a standpoint of political pragmatism in order to advance the cause of gay marriage.

In doing so, they do real harm to real people. Marriage is not just a formal codification of informal relationships. It’s also a defensive system designed to protect the interests of people whose material, economic and emotional security depends on the marriage in question. If my liberal friends recognize the legitimacy of free people who choose to form romantic partnerships with multiple partners, how can they deny them the right to the legal protections marriage affords?

Polyamory is a fact. People are living in group relationships today. The question is not whether they will continue on in those relationships. The question is whether we will grant to them the same basic recognition we grant to other adults: that love makes marriage, and that the right to marry is exactly that, a right.

Why the opposition, from those who have no interest in preserving “traditional marriage” or forbidding polyamorous relationships? I think the answer has to do with political momentum, with a kind of ad hoc-rejection of polygamy as necessary political concession. And in time, I think it will change.

The marriage equality movement has been both the best and worst thing that could happen for legally sanctioned polygamy. The best, because that movement has required a sustained and effective assault on “traditional marriage” arguments that reflected no particular point of view other than that marriage should stay the same because it’s always been the same. In particular, the notion that procreation and child-rearing are the natural justification for marriage has been dealt a terminal injury. We don’t, after all, ban marriage for those who can’t conceive, or annul marriages that don’t result in children, or make couples pinkie swear that they’ll have kids not too long after they get married. We have insisted instead that the institution exists to enshrine in law a special kind of long-term commitment, and to extend certain essential logistical and legal benefits to those who make that commitment. And rightly so. READ MORE

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But the marriage equality movement has been curiously hostile to polygamy, and for a particularly unsatisfying reason: short-term political need. Many conservative opponents of marriage equality have made the slippery slope argument, insisting that same-sex marriages would lead inevitably to further redefinition of what marriage is and means. See, for example, Rick Santorum’s infamous “man on dog” comments, in which he equated the desire of two adult men or women to be married with bestiality. Polygamy has frequently been a part of these slippery slope arguments. Typical of such arguments, the reasons why marriage between more than two partners would be destructive were taken as a given. Many proponents of marriage equality, I’m sorry to say, went along with this evidence-free indictment of polygamous matrimony. They choose to side-step the issue by insisting that gay marriage wouldn’t lead to polygamy. That legally sanctioned polygamy was a fate worth fearing went without saying.

To be clear: our lack of legal recognition of group marriages is not the fault of the marriage equality movement. Rather, it’s that the tactics of that movement have made getting to serious discussions of legalized polygamy harder. I say that while recognizing the unprecedented and necessary success of those tactics. I understand the political pragmatism in wanting to hold the line—to not be perceived to be slipping down the slope. To advocate for polygamy during the marriage equality fight may have seemed to confirm the socially conservative narrative, that gay marriage augured a wholesale collapse in traditional values. But times have changed; while work remains to be done, the immediate danger to marriage equality has passed. In 2005, a denial of the right to group marriage stemming from political pragmatism made at least some sense. In 2015, after this ruling, it no longer does.

While important legal and practical questions remain unresolved, with the Supreme Court’s ruling and broad public support, marriage equality is here to stay. Soon, it will be time to turn the attention of social liberalism to the next horizon. Given that many of us have argued, to great effect, that deference to tradition is not a legitimate reason to restrict marriage rights to groups that want them, the next step seems clear. We should turn our efforts towards the legal recognition of marriages between more than two partners. It’s time to legalize polygamy.

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Conventional arguments against polygamy fall apart with even a little examination. Appeals to traditional marriage, and the notion that child rearing is the only legitimate justification of legal marriage, have now, I hope, been exposed and discarded by all progressive people. What’s left is a series of jerry-rigged arguments that reflect no coherent moral vision of what marriage is for, and which frequently function as criticisms of traditional marriage as well.

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#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Homosexuality is not the only sexual perversion. If marriage is going to be defined by the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment -- sexual preferences aside -- then that opens up a Pandora's Box of demands for marriage equality.

Incest, for one. Another is child brides (for Muslims). Immigrants will insist on marriages defined by their country of origin.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-27   9:25:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite, redleghunter, Liberator (#2)

(for Muslims).

Kinda makes you wonder how the Muzzys are gonna react to this since they can't stand homos?

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-27   9:43:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: CZ82 (#7)

"Kinda makes you wonder how the Muzzys are gonna react to this since they can't stand homos?"

Well, it isn't going to make them like us more. Great Satan, and all. Certainly living up (down) to that standard.

BUT, when we tell them the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment allows them to take child brides, they may soften their stance.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-27   9:57:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite, redleghunter, Liberator (#10)

allows them to take child brides

My guess is they already do that and a reason you see "family honor" killings when the girl gets old enough to rat him out.

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-27   10:07:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: CZ82, misterwhite, redleghunter (#12)

(allows them to take child brides)

My guess is they already do that and a reason you see "family honor" killings when the girl gets old enough to rat him out.

Yup. But there's already that reality existing in the New Brave World of this Sharia-friendly pseudo-Republic. Imagine the extent within 10-20 years??

How close are we to the year 7510?? (Btw, the 3rd frame is a Muzzie "chastening" his chattel....er...I mean woman.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-27   10:29:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#14)

(Btw, the 3rd frame is a Muzzie "chastening" his chattel....er...I mean woman.)

If it wasn't for Sharia law they would just be another dying off minority in the world.

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-27   10:50:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: CZ82, redleghunter (#15)

If it wasn't for Sharia law they would just be another dying off minority in the world.

Aaah, yes...but satan needs his Army, (or one of them anyway), doesn't he?

This bane of humanity was beaten and isolated in the sands of the Middle East...a benign retrograde force since the Ottoman Empire was at last destroyed...until the God-less elites and bankers of the West from WWI on decided to bankroll the Muzzie oil fields and enrich them with wealth and power for the last hundred years. And here we are in the 21st century, within the last 25 years feeding the brutal Muzzie/Sharia monster HERE in the USA, while persecuting Christians.

The elites and bankers knew well that these satanic seeds that would eventually sprout, come to fruition, displace the Protestant ethic, and aid their New World Order/One World Government.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-27   11:41:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Liberator (#20)

If it wasn't for Sharia law they would just be another dying off minority in the world.

Aaah, yes...but satan needs his Army, (or one of them anyway), doesn't he?

His most destructive army seems to be in the positions of power in countries around the globe.

I don't think most people realize if there were 50,000 fewer people in this world it would be a much better place. They are giving up because they think the problem extends into the millions and they can't be removed.

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-28   9:46:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: CZ82 (#32)

His [Satan's] most destructive army seems to be in the positions of power in countries around the globe.

Funny how that worked out, huh? Run God out of Dodge, and this is what we wound up with.

I don't think most people realize if there were 50,000 fewer people in this world it would be a much better place. They are giving up because they think the problem extends into the millions and they can't be removed.

Two really good observations, CZ. Is this mass of pod-people ignorant, indifference, or actually want to live as slaves?

But embedded amongst those 50k are the world's generals and captains of industry, media, the academe, gubmints, and...churches. If only 10% of them were committed to cleaning house, our "Hope & Charge" could be made.

Mainstream and social-media magicians control and manipulate the creation of this mirage and false paradigm that the lunatics in the asylum -- a fake fascist army of "millions" -- exist. And the sane among us are a minority, bugs to be squashed. BIGGEST magic act ever.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-28   17:49:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#43)

Mainstream and social-media magicians control and manipulate the creation of this mirage and false paradigm that the lunatics in the asylum -- a fake fascist army of "millions" -- exist. And the sane among us are a minority, bugs to be squashed. BIGGEST magic act ever.

I wouldn't be afraid to say that act has been going on for thousands of years and has taken many forms. The bad guys have to make themselves look all knowing, all seeing and all powerful, if not they know the end will be coming soon.

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-29   7:01:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#56. To: CZ82 (#51)

I wouldn't be afraid to say that act has been going on for thousands of years and has taken many forms. The bad guys have to make themselves look all knowing, all seeing and all powerful, if not they know the end will be coming soon.

May be -- those in power have always relied on deception and smoke & mirror "support"...

But in all history, there has never been the perception of such a bizarre consensus as there is now. MOST of it manufactured. Beneath the media-contrived veneer of an Army of pro-homo, anti-whitey, pro-socialists are....regular people who just want to live the American Dream. IMO this fake Army of pervs and subversives are ALL social-media driven and fake -- digitally invented by a generation of tech-savvy homo-bots. SAME with 0blabla's last election. NO way do I believe his win wasn't stolen by phantom digital-generated "votes."

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