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Title: Now that Butt pirates can get married, It’s Time to Legalize Polygamy
Source: Politico
URL Source: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st ... ygamy-119469.html#.VY6ebEb3-hY
Published: Jun 27, 2015
Author: FREDRIK DEBOER
Post Date: 2015-06-27 09:06:04 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 7307
Comments: 64

Welcome to the exciting new world of the slippery slope. With the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling this Friday legalizing same sex marriage in all 50 states, social liberalism has achieved one of its central goals. A right seemingly unthinkable two decades ago has now been broadly applied to a whole new class of citizens. Following on the rejection of interracial marriage bans in the 20th Century, the Supreme Court decision clearly shows that marriage should be a broadly applicable right—one that forces the government to recognize, as Friday’s decision said, a private couple’s “love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice and family.”

The question presents itself: Where does the next advance come? The answer is going to make nearly everyone uncomfortable: Now that we’ve defined that love and devotion and family isn’t driven by gender alone, why should it be limited to just two individuals? The most natural advance next for marriage lies in legalized polygamy—yet many of the same people who pressed for marriage equality for gay couples oppose it.

This is not an abstract issue. In Chief Justice John Roberts’ dissenting opinion, he remarks, “It is striking how much of the majority’s reasoning would apply with equal force to the claim of a fundamental right to plural marriage.” As is often the case with critics of polygamy, he neglects to mention why this is a fate to be feared. Polygamy today stands as a taboo just as strong as same-sex marriage was several decades ago—it’s effectively only discussed as outdated jokes about Utah and Mormons, who banned the practice over 120 years ago.

Yet the moral reasoning behind society’s rejection of polygamy remains just as uncomfortable and legally weak as same-sex marriage opposition was until recently.

That’s one reason why progressives who reject the case for legal polygamy often don’t really appear to have their hearts in it. They seem uncomfortable voicing their objections, clearly unused to being in the position of rejecting the appeals of those who would codify non-traditional relationships in law. They are, without exception, accepting of the right of consenting adults to engage in whatever sexual and romantic relationships they choose, but oppose the formal, legal recognition of those relationships. They’re trapped, I suspect, in prior opposition that they voiced from a standpoint of political pragmatism in order to advance the cause of gay marriage.

In doing so, they do real harm to real people. Marriage is not just a formal codification of informal relationships. It’s also a defensive system designed to protect the interests of people whose material, economic and emotional security depends on the marriage in question. If my liberal friends recognize the legitimacy of free people who choose to form romantic partnerships with multiple partners, how can they deny them the right to the legal protections marriage affords?

Polyamory is a fact. People are living in group relationships today. The question is not whether they will continue on in those relationships. The question is whether we will grant to them the same basic recognition we grant to other adults: that love makes marriage, and that the right to marry is exactly that, a right.

Why the opposition, from those who have no interest in preserving “traditional marriage” or forbidding polyamorous relationships? I think the answer has to do with political momentum, with a kind of ad hoc-rejection of polygamy as necessary political concession. And in time, I think it will change.

The marriage equality movement has been both the best and worst thing that could happen for legally sanctioned polygamy. The best, because that movement has required a sustained and effective assault on “traditional marriage” arguments that reflected no particular point of view other than that marriage should stay the same because it’s always been the same. In particular, the notion that procreation and child-rearing are the natural justification for marriage has been dealt a terminal injury. We don’t, after all, ban marriage for those who can’t conceive, or annul marriages that don’t result in children, or make couples pinkie swear that they’ll have kids not too long after they get married. We have insisted instead that the institution exists to enshrine in law a special kind of long-term commitment, and to extend certain essential logistical and legal benefits to those who make that commitment. And rightly so. READ MORE

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But the marriage equality movement has been curiously hostile to polygamy, and for a particularly unsatisfying reason: short-term political need. Many conservative opponents of marriage equality have made the slippery slope argument, insisting that same-sex marriages would lead inevitably to further redefinition of what marriage is and means. See, for example, Rick Santorum’s infamous “man on dog” comments, in which he equated the desire of two adult men or women to be married with bestiality. Polygamy has frequently been a part of these slippery slope arguments. Typical of such arguments, the reasons why marriage between more than two partners would be destructive were taken as a given. Many proponents of marriage equality, I’m sorry to say, went along with this evidence-free indictment of polygamous matrimony. They choose to side-step the issue by insisting that gay marriage wouldn’t lead to polygamy. That legally sanctioned polygamy was a fate worth fearing went without saying.

To be clear: our lack of legal recognition of group marriages is not the fault of the marriage equality movement. Rather, it’s that the tactics of that movement have made getting to serious discussions of legalized polygamy harder. I say that while recognizing the unprecedented and necessary success of those tactics. I understand the political pragmatism in wanting to hold the line—to not be perceived to be slipping down the slope. To advocate for polygamy during the marriage equality fight may have seemed to confirm the socially conservative narrative, that gay marriage augured a wholesale collapse in traditional values. But times have changed; while work remains to be done, the immediate danger to marriage equality has passed. In 2005, a denial of the right to group marriage stemming from political pragmatism made at least some sense. In 2015, after this ruling, it no longer does.

While important legal and practical questions remain unresolved, with the Supreme Court’s ruling and broad public support, marriage equality is here to stay. Soon, it will be time to turn the attention of social liberalism to the next horizon. Given that many of us have argued, to great effect, that deference to tradition is not a legitimate reason to restrict marriage rights to groups that want them, the next step seems clear. We should turn our efforts towards the legal recognition of marriages between more than two partners. It’s time to legalize polygamy.

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Conventional arguments against polygamy fall apart with even a little examination. Appeals to traditional marriage, and the notion that child rearing is the only legitimate justification of legal marriage, have now, I hope, been exposed and discarded by all progressive people. What’s left is a series of jerry-rigged arguments that reflect no coherent moral vision of what marriage is for, and which frequently function as criticisms of traditional marriage as well.

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#23. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Now that Butt pirates can get married, It’s Time to Legalize Polygamy

They have. There is no stopping anything from marrying something. As Justice Scalia said once the door is open there is no stopping it!

America has become the joke of the world under Obama! Yes its been a long time coming.

Justified  posted on  2015-06-27   13:50:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Justified, All (#23)

America has become the joke of the world under Obama! Yes its been a long time coming.

Ireland beat Obama to the punch. Obama is a manifestation, if not a product, of the symptoms, he is not the problem per se.

Nor are gays for that matter. Are the existence of gays to be denied? Ignored? Are the the scourge of the Earth? Are they to be denied rights that are afforded to straights solely because of sexual orientation? Of course not. In this case the problem is not gays but how the public institutions choose to deal with the issue.

All state sanctioned and recognized "mariages" are first and foremost civil unions. It is only religious institutions that afix special spiritual meaning and signficance to marriage. Basically the State (including the Fed) should permit and recognize a civil union to all that wish to enter into one and leave the term marriage to those that confer more than a secular meaning to that word. Alternatively, if we cannot reserve the M word solely for ceremonies performed by religious institutions within the context of the respective religion, the religious institutions should abandon the word marriage for its ceremony and call it something else, such as Holy Union.

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-27   14:04:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: SOSO (#24)

0buma is a manifestation, if not a product, of the symptoms, he is not the problem per se.

Good thing you're not my doctor:

"Liberator, your cancer is not the problem; it's that fatty burger and fries you ate back in 1981. Oh...and sitting in the sun on the beach all day back in '74."

0blabla may not be THE problem, but he IS a huge problem. He's despised America *before* he was elected Puppet-in-Chief. This was THE perfect cancer to implant within the body of our government, our nation. Has he had a lot of help? You bet. One man can not destroy this nation alone. Riding shotgun with him were BOTH Bushes and the Klintoons. Amongst thousand of others.

Nor are gays for that matter [a problem.]

In as much as they are passive OR militant? You can't have it both ways. Next you'll be telling us Muslims "aren't the problem"; "Criminals aren't the problem." Then just WTH *is* the problem, Yoda?? Let me tell you: The cowardly inability or reticence in calling evil "EVIL." If I give you the benefit of doubt, call it "Brainwashing."

Are the existence of gays to be denied? Ignored? Are the the scourge of the Earth? Are they to be denied rights that are afforded to straights solely because of sexual orientation? Of course not. In this case the problem is not gays but how the public institutions choose to deal with the issue.

How can gays existence be ignored when my Yahoo News page indicates on a daily basis that at least HALF the nation are sodomites (the other half white "racists and homophobes"?)

When gays infringe upon MY constitutional rights and demand special rights, they ARE a problem, Magoo. When THEY start assaulting my rights to earn a living, frivolously sue me, teach sodomy to children, teach our children about "gay marriage," (NOT EVER A "Right"), corrupt pop culture with homo-suggestive trash, target conservative Christians for abuse, harassment, and slander...YES, they ARE a scourge, you blithering, clueless, bent-over ignoramus.

It is only religious institutions that afix special spiritual meaning and signficance to marriage.

Not altogether true, Stooge. But then again, you've just inadvertently proven why Christianity is the de facto sworn enemy of the Left, homos, and subversives. Pick a side. There IS no compromise (oh wait -- you have already, haven't you?)

Basically the State (including the Fed) should permit and recognize a civil union to all that wish to enter into one and leave the term marriage to those that confer more than a secular meaning to that word.

WHY must the definitions of marriage, its tradition and heritage of America AND civilization with respect to marriage be compromised?? To appease the rebellious and appeased, Sir Neville? Why is THIS issue a constitutional "right"?? This flies in the face of the Founders intent -- and don't try and tell me the Founders endorsed or would have sanctioned homosexuality's legitimacy. It remains a mental illness and perversion -- even if you deny swallowing the Koolade by the pink keg.

Alternatively, if we cannot reserve the M word solely for ceremonies performed by religious institutions within the context of the respective religion, the religious institutions should abandon the word marriage for its ceremony and call it something else, such as Holy Union.

To you and your "enlightened" social surrender-monkeys: GET BENT and establish your own country and warped moral relativist society and eff IT up.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-27   15:08:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Liberator (#26)

To him morals are optional.

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-28   9:52:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#45. To: CZ82, SOSO (#34) (Edited)

To him morals are optional.

Well, compromise worked out so well in Vichy France. (oh, wait.)

This is how insidious this blitzkrieg of subverting God's own morals by the media, schools, and pop culture is; Normally people committed to the absolute truth have compromised their principles. God's Law and morals are NOT negotiable.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-28 17:56:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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