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Title: Now that Butt pirates can get married, It’s Time to Legalize Polygamy
Source: Politico
URL Source: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st ... ygamy-119469.html#.VY6ebEb3-hY
Published: Jun 27, 2015
Author: FREDRIK DEBOER
Post Date: 2015-06-27 09:06:04 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 7739
Comments: 64

Welcome to the exciting new world of the slippery slope. With the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling this Friday legalizing same sex marriage in all 50 states, social liberalism has achieved one of its central goals. A right seemingly unthinkable two decades ago has now been broadly applied to a whole new class of citizens. Following on the rejection of interracial marriage bans in the 20th Century, the Supreme Court decision clearly shows that marriage should be a broadly applicable right—one that forces the government to recognize, as Friday’s decision said, a private couple’s “love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice and family.”

The question presents itself: Where does the next advance come? The answer is going to make nearly everyone uncomfortable: Now that we’ve defined that love and devotion and family isn’t driven by gender alone, why should it be limited to just two individuals? The most natural advance next for marriage lies in legalized polygamy—yet many of the same people who pressed for marriage equality for gay couples oppose it.

This is not an abstract issue. In Chief Justice John Roberts’ dissenting opinion, he remarks, “It is striking how much of the majority’s reasoning would apply with equal force to the claim of a fundamental right to plural marriage.” As is often the case with critics of polygamy, he neglects to mention why this is a fate to be feared. Polygamy today stands as a taboo just as strong as same-sex marriage was several decades ago—it’s effectively only discussed as outdated jokes about Utah and Mormons, who banned the practice over 120 years ago.

Yet the moral reasoning behind society’s rejection of polygamy remains just as uncomfortable and legally weak as same-sex marriage opposition was until recently.

That’s one reason why progressives who reject the case for legal polygamy often don’t really appear to have their hearts in it. They seem uncomfortable voicing their objections, clearly unused to being in the position of rejecting the appeals of those who would codify non-traditional relationships in law. They are, without exception, accepting of the right of consenting adults to engage in whatever sexual and romantic relationships they choose, but oppose the formal, legal recognition of those relationships. They’re trapped, I suspect, in prior opposition that they voiced from a standpoint of political pragmatism in order to advance the cause of gay marriage.

In doing so, they do real harm to real people. Marriage is not just a formal codification of informal relationships. It’s also a defensive system designed to protect the interests of people whose material, economic and emotional security depends on the marriage in question. If my liberal friends recognize the legitimacy of free people who choose to form romantic partnerships with multiple partners, how can they deny them the right to the legal protections marriage affords?

Polyamory is a fact. People are living in group relationships today. The question is not whether they will continue on in those relationships. The question is whether we will grant to them the same basic recognition we grant to other adults: that love makes marriage, and that the right to marry is exactly that, a right.

Why the opposition, from those who have no interest in preserving “traditional marriage” or forbidding polyamorous relationships? I think the answer has to do with political momentum, with a kind of ad hoc-rejection of polygamy as necessary political concession. And in time, I think it will change.

The marriage equality movement has been both the best and worst thing that could happen for legally sanctioned polygamy. The best, because that movement has required a sustained and effective assault on “traditional marriage” arguments that reflected no particular point of view other than that marriage should stay the same because it’s always been the same. In particular, the notion that procreation and child-rearing are the natural justification for marriage has been dealt a terminal injury. We don’t, after all, ban marriage for those who can’t conceive, or annul marriages that don’t result in children, or make couples pinkie swear that they’ll have kids not too long after they get married. We have insisted instead that the institution exists to enshrine in law a special kind of long-term commitment, and to extend certain essential logistical and legal benefits to those who make that commitment. And rightly so. READ MORE

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But the marriage equality movement has been curiously hostile to polygamy, and for a particularly unsatisfying reason: short-term political need. Many conservative opponents of marriage equality have made the slippery slope argument, insisting that same-sex marriages would lead inevitably to further redefinition of what marriage is and means. See, for example, Rick Santorum’s infamous “man on dog” comments, in which he equated the desire of two adult men or women to be married with bestiality. Polygamy has frequently been a part of these slippery slope arguments. Typical of such arguments, the reasons why marriage between more than two partners would be destructive were taken as a given. Many proponents of marriage equality, I’m sorry to say, went along with this evidence-free indictment of polygamous matrimony. They choose to side-step the issue by insisting that gay marriage wouldn’t lead to polygamy. That legally sanctioned polygamy was a fate worth fearing went without saying.

To be clear: our lack of legal recognition of group marriages is not the fault of the marriage equality movement. Rather, it’s that the tactics of that movement have made getting to serious discussions of legalized polygamy harder. I say that while recognizing the unprecedented and necessary success of those tactics. I understand the political pragmatism in wanting to hold the line—to not be perceived to be slipping down the slope. To advocate for polygamy during the marriage equality fight may have seemed to confirm the socially conservative narrative, that gay marriage augured a wholesale collapse in traditional values. But times have changed; while work remains to be done, the immediate danger to marriage equality has passed. In 2005, a denial of the right to group marriage stemming from political pragmatism made at least some sense. In 2015, after this ruling, it no longer does.

While important legal and practical questions remain unresolved, with the Supreme Court’s ruling and broad public support, marriage equality is here to stay. Soon, it will be time to turn the attention of social liberalism to the next horizon. Given that many of us have argued, to great effect, that deference to tradition is not a legitimate reason to restrict marriage rights to groups that want them, the next step seems clear. We should turn our efforts towards the legal recognition of marriages between more than two partners. It’s time to legalize polygamy.

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Conventional arguments against polygamy fall apart with even a little examination. Appeals to traditional marriage, and the notion that child rearing is the only legitimate justification of legal marriage, have now, I hope, been exposed and discarded by all progressive people. What’s left is a series of jerry-rigged arguments that reflect no coherent moral vision of what marriage is for, and which frequently function as criticisms of traditional marriage as well.

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#23. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Now that Butt pirates can get married, It’s Time to Legalize Polygamy

They have. There is no stopping anything from marrying something. As Justice Scalia said once the door is open there is no stopping it!

America has become the joke of the world under Obama! Yes its been a long time coming.

Justified  posted on  2015-06-27   13:50:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Justified, All (#23)

America has become the joke of the world under Obama! Yes its been a long time coming.

Ireland beat Obama to the punch. Obama is a manifestation, if not a product, of the symptoms, he is not the problem per se.

Nor are gays for that matter. Are the existence of gays to be denied? Ignored? Are the the scourge of the Earth? Are they to be denied rights that are afforded to straights solely because of sexual orientation? Of course not. In this case the problem is not gays but how the public institutions choose to deal with the issue.

All state sanctioned and recognized "mariages" are first and foremost civil unions. It is only religious institutions that afix special spiritual meaning and signficance to marriage. Basically the State (including the Fed) should permit and recognize a civil union to all that wish to enter into one and leave the term marriage to those that confer more than a secular meaning to that word. Alternatively, if we cannot reserve the M word solely for ceremonies performed by religious institutions within the context of the respective religion, the religious institutions should abandon the word marriage for its ceremony and call it something else, such as Holy Union.

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-27   14:04:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SOSO (#24)

To each their own. Do as you will in your privacy but in public you must conduct yourself in some respect. Sexual perversion is and has always been a mental disease. To make it anything more than a mental disease is wrong and destructive to society.

Marriage was made to be between one man and one women for the betterment of society as a whole. Now its just a dirty perverse joke!

Progressives have done what no other country could ever do! Destroy America from within!

Justified  posted on  2015-06-27   16:48:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Justified (#27)

Gay marriage has been legal since 2004. In those 11 years, only 2% of gays applied for a license. How many are still married is unknown. I'd guess half.

So, we have turned the institution of marriage on it's head for 1% of 2% of the adult population.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-27   17:18:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: misterwhite (#28)

So, we have turned the institution of marriage on it's head for 1% of 2% of the adult population.

Thats progressives for you. You would think half the nation were homosexuals!

Progressives are the most dangerous people in the world. They don't need to cut your head off they just enact laws and have you put in jail for life while your kids are raised to believe 2 daddies and man child love is good!

How did we ever get to the point where I despise my own country so much!!!!!

Can we kick Obama out and get Putin in instead?

Justified  posted on  2015-06-27   17:24:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#35. To: Justified (#29) (Edited)

"How did we ever get to the point where I despise my own country so much!!!!!"

With each passing day, I come to see why the Muslims hate us.

"They don't need to cut your head off they just enact laws"

The courts are doing the heavy lifting for the homosexuals.

They talk about 36 states already legalizing same-sex marriage, making it seem like nationwide same-sex marriage is a fait accompli. What they leave out is that half those states were forced by the district courts to legalize it. In reality, voters in 31 states voted to define marriage as being between a man and a woman.

They were overruled.

Like abortion - also forced on us by the court -- gay marriage will continue to be a contentious and dividing issue for a long time.

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