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Title: Supreme Court extends same-sex marriage nationwide
Source: AP
URL Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie ... AULT&CTIME=2015-06-26-10-02-52
Published: Jun 26, 2015
Author: AP staff
Post Date: 2015-06-26 10:23:13 by redleghunter
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Views: 10874
Comments: 101

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court declared Friday that same-sex couples have a right to marry anywhere in the United States.

Gay and lesbian couples already could marry in 36 states and the District of Columbia. The court's 5-4 ruling means the remaining 14 states, in the South and Midwest, will have to stop enforcing their bans on same-sex marriage.

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#16. To: redleghunter (#0)

Yesterday, the Republican Party gave us Obamacare, via the Supreme Court which they control.

Today, the Republican Party gave us universal gay marriage, via the Republican Supreme Court.

Let the excuses for the Republicans begin to flow. But know this: they are all lies. The Republicans appointed the judges that gave us Roe v Wade, and the Republicans controlled the court that expanded Roe v Wade, and the Republicans gave us Kelo, and Obamacare and gay marriage.

That is the legacy of the Republican Party since 1973: being the final, decisive political force that enacted abortion, property confiscation, socialized medicine and gay marriage into constitutional law.

Now listen to all of the Republican rubes howl about the Democrats. It's comical.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-06-26   11:28:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Vicomte13 (#16)

That is the legacy of the Republican Party since 1973: being the final, decisive political force that enacted abortion, property confiscation, socialized medicine and gay marriage into constitutional law.

Now listen to all of the Republican rubes howl about the Democrats. It's comical.

You always return to a Dem = GOP meme. It's not that simple.

It has been the leadership establishment of the GOP that has been responsible for GOP fecklessness and collaboration with the satanic Dems. 25-50% of the GOP have consistent been pro-life, pro-family; 0% of the Dems.

You have been maligning, indicting, judging, then sentencing GOP conservatives. This is not right nor based on truth.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-26   11:55:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator (#27)

Libertator: the buck stops with the Captain of the Ship.

If a ship runs aground in the night because the Officer of the Deck read the charts wrong, it's the junior officer's fault, of course, but it's also the Captain's fault for not training the JO, for letting him have the watch when he wasn't prepared.

The Captain of the ship cannot escape liability for what his lieutenants do.

Do you EVER see Democrat Supreme Court justices are major politicians break ranks on any important issue, ever. EVER? Do they EVER suddenly betray the principles of their party? Ever? Name me an instance where a Democrat Supreme Court justices has suddenly surprised everybody by turning on his or her party? Name me a time, in a vote on anything crucial, where a Democrat ever defaulted?

It hasn't happened once in my adult life. Democrats keep discipline. They do not allow people into positions of decision and leadership who do not have the discipline to stand for what the party stands for. They campaign on things, and then when elected they bull forward and DO what they said they were going to do. I don't like a lot of things they do, but I acknowledge their discipline. I acknowledge that their politicians tell the truth about what they're after, and their justices don't hide who and what they are. They say it, they do it, and they bull forward to the finish line if they can. If they are defeated, it is never because some Democrat Supreme Court justice stabs them in the back, or there are a bunch of insurgent Democrats who bring down the President or his party.

It never, ever, ever has happened, not even once, in all of the years I have been voting.

The Republicans PRETEND that it happens to them all the time. They pretend that Republican Presidents appoint justices but "who knows what the Justices will do"? Who could have predicted?

Well, I can predict. And I'm usually right. What I will predict is that the Democrats never, ever, ever, ever, have even one justice who suddenly betrays them and turns on them and torpedoes their platform. It doesn't happen. With Republicans, it happened with abortion (twice), and property rights, and gay marriage, and ObamaCare (twice). Over and over again it happens, and it always happens on the MOST CRITICAL THINGS.

When the chips are down and, say, the Republicans are about to force conservatives onto the appeals courts, "suddenly" 4 Republican Senators break ranks and form the "gang of this or that", and the actual victory is lost. But then, do the Republicans DISCIPLINE the Senators who do that?

No. Then, in the next election cycle, the Republicans make the guy who torpedoed the conservative court packing policy their friggin' NOMINEE.

But you expect people to not hold the REPUBLICAN PARTY accountable for what the leading, powerful Republicans actually DO over and over. You say that we are wrong for maligning the Republican Party for what the Captains of the Ship DO, again and again.

Your position is nuts. It's simply nuts. You have affiliated yourself with the Republican Party and given it too much of your heart and soul. Essentially, you've married a cheating wife, and you're ready to beat up anybody who points it out to you.

Well, you have. The Republican Party is your harlot wife. The Captains of the Ship fail you, but you still think that, somehow, the galley crew down shoveling coal in the hold is the REAL ship, and that the ship should not be all accountable for the decisions of its leadership.

The truth about ships is that when they run into reefs and sink, the crew in the hold all drown too.

The Republican Party cannot escape vilification for what its Senators and Supreme Court Justices and Presidents and Congressional leaders do. That IS the Republican Party. Conversatives who cling to them and get the back of the hand all the time are NOT the REAL Republicans. Roberts and Kennedy and Boehner and McConnell and McCain, the real men in real power with the real titles and the real control - THEY are the Republican Party.

Republicans like you are just battered girlfriends and cuckolded husbands who don't want to hear or know the truth.

You're damned right I malign and vilify the Republicans. Look at what they have DONE.

I vilify the rank and file Republicans who won't break ranks with the GOP for being foolish thralls.

If you value what you believe in, you need to scrape your Republican Party affiliation off your boots like the shit that it is and stand up and be an independent man.

Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.

That's the way it is.

You cannot change the Republican ship, but you can stop sailing on it. You choose not to, pretending that its yours.

The lawn boy at the country club is there everyday and gets to eat in the back of the clubhouse, but he is not a member and never will be.

And that's you in the Republican Party.

Get the hell out of there. It's beneath you to keep affiliating with those turds. They're NEVER going to listen to you, because they ARE, in fact, Romney and McCain, Boehner and McConnel and Graham and Roberts and Kennedy. That's the GOP. It's not going to ever be different.

Yelling at ME for telling you the truth: Republicans are scum bunks, is willful blindness. Open your eyes, and see, and walk out of there. Reclaim your manhood and your pride. Stop lying down with dogs. Stop defending them.

The Captain of the Ship is responsible. The Republican Ship has SHOWN you its colors again and again. You're not going to mutiny and take over. Get off that ship.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-06-26   12:37:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Vicomte13 (#36)

Libertator: the buck stops with the Captain of the Ship.

If a ship runs aground in the night because the Officer of the Deck read the charts wrong, it's the junior officer's fault, of course, but it's also the Captain's fault for not training the JO, for letting him have the watch when he wasn't prepared.

The Captain of the ship cannot escape liability for what his lieutenants do.

Vic, there's been a mutiny within the GOP leadership, yet you've failed to acknowledge it OR notice it. The mutiny began during Reagan's last couple of years as his globalist officers began betraying the Party platform, principles and American sovereignty.

There are STILL good Republican-Conservatives battling the subversive tidal wave; If NOT for them, we'd already be drowned in a sea of Fascist-Leftism. Give THEM credit for not bailing out on the ship!

Do you EVER see Democrat Supreme Court justices are major politicians break ranks on any important issue, ever. EVER? Do they EVER suddenly betray the principles of their party? Ever? Name me an instance where a Democrat Supreme Court justices has suddenly surprised everybody by turning on his or her party? Name me a time, in a vote on anything crucial, where a Democrat ever defaulted?

I agree with your observation that the Dem Party is a monolithic subversive fighting force (aided and abetted by a monolithic attack-dog liberal-Left media and academe), but you're still not GETTING THIS.

The point is: The Dems are a cohesive, subversive occupying Army; The GOP is divided and conquered, ruled by it's mutinous Vichy Republicans. This has been the case since Reagan surrendered his admin to the treasonous GH Bush and his cabal of "compassionate conservatives," aka FAKE conservatives.

ERGO, you have 100% of the Dems + 50% of the GOP. That imbalance in power (and Vichy "leadership" at the helm of the GOP) can NOT be overcome at this point in time -- if ever.

You expect people to not hold the REPUBLICAN PARTY accountable for what the leading, powerful Republicans actually DO over and over. You say that we are wrong for maligning the Republican Party for what the Captains of the Ship DO, again and again.

Your position is nuts. It's simply nuts. You have affiliated yourself with the Republican Party and given it too much of your heart and soul.

Again, I am emphasizing the root cause of GOP fecklessness, betrayal, and reptilian surrender of moral/ethical principles and sovereignty: A LEADERSHIP THAT HAS BEEN HIJACKED SINCE the last 1980s by pro-globalist, One World Order elites. It's that simple. You still have not provided a political alternative that is a Game-Changer.

Moreover, I have NOT give my "heart and soul" to the GOP; Not close. I merely recognize that any kernels and sparks that re-ignite the Founders' spirit of justice and intent in *any* numbers can ONLY be found within the corrupt body of the GOP. Do you think we'll find it in the corpse of the Dem Party? Because NO Third Party has emerged to fill the void, what is YOUR solution? B*tching and moaning about the GOP's known whores and tools isn't helping us win any political battles. Most of us have vilified the Republican Party as phonies since Dubya and a GOP-dominated Congress did NOTHING to promote conservative policies.

You cannot change the Republican ship, but you can stop sailing on it. You choose not to, pretending that its yours.

Fine. Let EVERY Dem win EVERY election. Remove EVERY sentry from the castle wall. Bend over. Great strategy. (Oh wait -- you HAVE no political strategy, do you?)

This is a spiritual war, Vic. The God -fearing and their values are under siege. Your boogieman, your devil, your scapegoat is not the Republican Party; It's those who betray the Lord. They who rule the roost as part of the GOP elite are subversive puppets, doing the bidding of special interests and international elites. "Republican" is just a worn costume.

Those Catholics who've voted over the years to keep supporting 0-Care, Gay "Marriage," Abortion, Affirmative Action, Special "Rights," etc., have not only betrayed this Republic, but worse -- they've betrayed God. Half of the current six Catholics are a disgrace and betray not only America, but the Lord. It's quite easy to find fleas amongst us, isn't it?

Yelling at ME for telling you the truth: Republicans are scum bunks, is willful blindness. Open your eyes, and see, and walk out of there. Reclaim your manhood and your pride. Stop lying down with dogs. Stop defending them.

I defend only those Republican who defend the USCON and the tenets and intent of the Founders. Were it not for them, ALL guns would have already been seized -- as well as your home, the rest of your "rights" -- as well as your property. That pesky 1A? Whatever Republicans are left to do battle -- it is THEY who will retain whatever right you have to speak your mind at a forum like this. NOT Democrats.

The Captain of the Ship is responsible. The Republican Ship has SHOWN you its colors again and again. You're not going to mutiny and take over. Get off that ship.

Get off this ship and then what? DROWN?? Or swim to *your* island? Who will protect and speak for your "rights"? Democrats? Bernie Sanders? Some yet unknown Third Party savior?

We have ONE chance to turn back the enemy. That is within a core of Never-Say-Die conservative GOP stalwarts who never give up.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-26   13:39:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Liberator, Vicomte13 (#44)

"compassionate conservatives," aka FAKE conservatives.

Describes most of the Pubbie party.

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-27   9:25:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: CZ82, Vicomte13 (#67)

"compassionate conservatives," aka FAKE conservatives.

Describes most of the Pubbie party.

A good half I'd say.

The biggest problem are the Puppetmeisters and so-called "leadership," which are part One-Worlder globalist, part closet Dem, and part statist-fascist. They bully, threaten, and coerce the weak members and control the agenda and direction of the GOP (straight into the handbasket into Hell.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-27   11:27:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Liberator (#71)

A good half I'd say.

I have no doubt that if the "good half' stood tall and said no to "the faux conservative agenda" their voting constituency would reward them. It would also bring more of what the "faux conservatives" are doing out into the light for other voters to peruse, and hopefully they would take it out on them at the ballot box. I've never believed in the 3rd party rhetoric!!

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-27   12:01:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: CZ82 (#76) (Edited)

I have no doubt that if the "good half' stood tall and said no to "the faux conservative agenda" their voting constituency would reward them.

It would also bring more of what the "faux conservatives" are doing out into the light for other voters to peruse, and hopefully they would take it out on them at the ballot box. I've never believed in the 3rd party rhetoric!!

The ballot box -- a huge part of our problem has been the cliched "Voting for the Lesser of Two Evils." This has been the case since Reagan left. THESE are the Pubbies who've taken over the Party, ruined the brand, the party, and the core platform.

Given all that, the GOP still does control most of the state house legislatures and governorships. People must still believe in their core principles (unfortunately long since abandoned by most reps.) Doesn't seem to translate into more conservative policies and agenda though, does it?

Unlike the Dems (who seem to maintain a unified focus and monolithic goal) the GOP spans too much of the political spectrum and is too diluted to focus on a common goal. It itself has been divided & conquers as a party. THIS is our primary problem. Ergo, our wishes for true representation (through no fault of our own) has been short-circuited. Our agenda, a conservative agenda has fallen in the hands of a subversive, corrupt faux Republican leadership. They are painfully and obviously puppets controlled by external anti-America overlords....

UNTIL these puppetmeister-overlords are exposed, I can't see the GOP turning things around on its own soon -- do you? And no, we don't have enough time or energy to establish a viable Third Party. If this were a game of chess, we've been Check-Mated.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-27   12:34:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Liberator (#78)

People must still believe in their core principles (unfortunately long since abandoned by most reps.) Doesn't seem to translate into more conservative policies and agenda though, does it?

Just don't have the right people in the right places, we have faux conservatives in the wrong places.

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-28   9:39:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: CZ82, redleghunter (#83)

Just don't have the right people in the right places, we have faux conservatives in the wrong places.

HA! Succinctly put.

(Why can't the GOP have a plan like the Houston Astros??

Given up for dead...A laughing stock. NOW look at 'em. Trying to crush Texas, the Angels and the rest of the West. Hardly recognize 'em (as the Yanks were lucky just to split.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-28   17:22:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#87. To: Liberator (#86)

Why can't the GOP have a plan like the Houston Astros??

You mean like the Texas Rangers? It seems that there is only room for one good team in Texas at a time.

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-28 17:26:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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