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Title: Not so fast? Haley could face tough battle in push to remove Confederate flag
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... eral-months/?intcmp=latestnews
Published: Jun 23, 2015
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2015-06-23 22:24:31 by Gatlin
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South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, after joining with other state leaders in calling for the Confederate flag to be removed from Statehouse grounds, could be in for a drawn-out legislative battle. Under the state's own rules for even touching that Confederate flag, any changes are easier said than done. “I would be shocked if there wasn’t considerable or even vehement opposition from legislators, particularly from small rural towns,” William Gaston, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, told FoxNews.com. On Monday, Haley, surrounded by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers, called for the removal of the Confederate flag from the grounds of the state Capitol. Her comments came less than a week after Dylann Roof, a 21-year-old white man, confessed to gunning down nine black members of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church. Renewed efforts to remove the flag gained momentum after images of Roof, posing with the flag, surfaced. “The hate-filled murderer has a sick and twisted view of the flag,” Haley said. “We have changed through the times and we will continue to do so, but that doesn’t mean we forget our history.” But Haley, in calling for the flag's removal along with the state's top congressional representatives, must get the legislature to agree -- which could be an uphill climb. And the current push to remove the Confederate symbol is just the latest twist in a storied saga that has pitted Palmetto State lawmakers against one another for decades. The Confederate battle flag first flew at the Statehouse in 1962 as part of a centennial commemoration. While many civil rights groups protested and demanded its removal for years, nothing changed until 2000. That year, the flag fight led to a political compromise that removed it from the Capitol Dome and moved it to a 30-foot flagpole at the Confederate Soldier Monument on Statehouse grounds. Some say it’s that very same compromise that could present a challenge for the latest plans to remove it. The plan that was hammered out in 2000 requires a two- thirds majority in both the state House and Senate to remove it. It also requires a two-thirds majority to lower it, which is why when Haley ordered the U.S. and South Carolina flags to half-staff after the shooting, the Confederate flag remained flying at full-staff. Republicans, who have a majority in both the House and Senate, have long been divided on the issue. But many Republicans have abandoned their past defense of the flag. “I just didn’t have the balls for five years to do it, but when my friend was assassinated for being nothing more than a black man, I decided it was time for that thing to be off the Statehouse grounds,” Republican state Rep. Doug Brannon, told The Associated Press. “It’s not just a symbol of hate. It’s actually a symbol of pride in one’s hatred.” Brannon said he plans to introduce a bill to take down the flag as early as he can. Others, like state Sen. Lee Bright, who has a Confederate flying hanging in his office, was quoted equating efforts to remove it from the north lawn of the Statehouse with a “Stalinist purge.” Bright's office declined to elaborate on the comments when reached by FoxNews.com. The process of taking the flag down took its first baby step on Tuesday afternoon when the South Carolina House voted 103-10 to allow a special session to discuss it. The Senate must also agree to meet, though Haley has said she would use her authority as governor to force a special legislative session. Once a special session is called, there will be some procedural hurdles that will draw out the process. The bill would have to clear the judiciary committees and then come back to both floors for debate. “If I had to set a deadline, I’d say about August first, hopefully before September,” state Rep. Todd Rutherford told WLTX-TV in a recent interview. The Post and Courier newspaper, which is based in Charleston, has a working tally of the number of South Carolina legislators who say they’ll support taking the flag down, who say they’ll vote against it, and who have not responded. By early Tuesday afternoon, 50 members of the state House said they would vote to remove the flag. Eight have said no, nine were undecided, nine refused to answer and 46 have not responded. In the state Senate, 19 lawmakers said they’d vote in favor of taking down the flag. One said no, four were undecided, three refused to answer and 18 have not responded.
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#1. To: All (#0)
This guy pretty well nails it:
Please listen to this simple black man.
And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6
“I just didn’t have the balls for five years to do it, but when my friend was assassinated for being nothing more than a black man, I decided it was time for that thing to be off the Statehouse grounds,” Republican state Rep. Doug Brannon, told The Associated Press. “It’s not just a symbol of hate. It’s actually a symbol of pride in one’s hatred.” If you are reallya Republican and not a re-branded Jim Crow Dixie-Crat like many charge the Southern GOP for being then you should be against the Confederate flag and all things Confederate because you are in the party of Lincoln and the GOP made its bones killing Confederates and burning down their treasonous cities.
I think Haley will be recognized as taking leadership on this issue. It's long past the time that this symbol of the Confederacy be removed from all State Goverment offical flags .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yes it is.
I think, rather I believe, that the residents of a state have the right to decide on issues of concern within their respective states. Having said that and if I were a resident of South Carolina, I would never have supported the Confederate flag being flown atop the statehouse dome and would have voted for the removal if given a chance to so ao. Many states have Confederate monuments and memorials dedicated to the memory of those who served and died in service to the Confederate States during the American Civil War. Most all are located on public property,.including monument to South Carolina's Confederate Dead that is positioned on the northern end of the South Carolina State House grounds. The monument flies a traditional version of the Confederate Battle Flag. Again, I believe what needs to be decided in South Carolina….must be decided solely by South Carolinians. If I were a South Carolinian, then I consider the Confederate flag a part of, and belongs to, the Confederate memorial monument. The residents of South Carolina need to decide if the Confederate flag at the monument should removed. If they decide to remover the flag, then perhaps they should also decide to remove the Confederate memorial monument. It is THEIR choice, it is the American way….God Bless America!
Yes it's proper for the people of the state to decide . That is why I commend Haley for leading the move to remove it. On another posting I also made this reply : Now the Confederate flag ;the flag of treason and rebellion against the United States should be removed from State Capitols. However ;we are not the Taliban or the Islamic State . We don't destroy history or heritage regardless of how unpleasant and misguided and evil it was . We should instead never forget what the true reason of the rebellion was about ....slavery . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Do you think George Washington should be taken off the money? Why not he owned slaves. We should put every statue of Thomas Jefferson in a museum tucked far away. Right. If not why the hypocrisy?
All this upheaval started because Roof was once photographed with a replica of Army of Northern Virginia battle flag. Was the flag the problem and how does removing this flag address the heart of the matter? Haley is doing nothing more than making a political public relations move. She cannot possibly believe “removing this symbol will bring all South Carolinians together.” If South Carolina only takes the flag down and does not find a way to make a legitimate change in the hearts and minds of its people….then the retirement of the Army of Northern Virginia battle flag from the grounds of the stat capitol will solve nothing. The people need more than a political statement that only shows worry about national perception. And that is all Haley is doing, only giving a political statement. If not…. then what?
I addressed this in my Post #9... What will be accomplished by removing the flag? There are Black people who will still hate White people….and vice versa. If someone want to kill another person, taking a gun away will not change their desire….will it? If someone hates, taking away a flag will not turn their hate into love….will it?
Yes, according to the current crop of spineless politicians. A few of them really surprised me with their limp-wristed ways in the past few days.
Roof had his picture taken once with the Army of Northern Virginia battle flag. Everyone is now expected to remove all the Army of Northern Virginia battle flags. Roof drove a black Hyundai. Yet everyone is now expected to leave all black Hyundai vehicles on the road. Why, when the Hyundai was more closely associated with the heinous crime? He drove the Hyundai to scene and then escaped driving it. Hypocrites!
Yea, me too....damned pussies!!!
A special legislative session over a flag. How absurd. Frankly, I don't see why people want to take it to the mat and fight over a flag of a defeated army. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
What will be accomplished by removing the flag? There are Black people who will still hate White people….and vice versa. If someone want to kill another person, taking a gun away will not change their desire….will it? If someone hates, taking away a flag will not turn their hate into love….will it? Yes hatred will still exist . So removing the flag would not change that fact. My reason is the same reason why the Union Jack would not have been permitted to fly over government buildings in the US after the Revolution . It's why the Reich war flag doesn't fly in Germany . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
We should put every statue of Thomas Jefferson in a museum tucked far away. Right. If not why the hypocrisy? Nope . Washington and Jefferson never were in open rebellion against the United States . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
If someone hates, taking away a flag will not turn their hate into love….will it? Murder and hatred are < < < gasp > > > original sins. Liberals/statists/socilists/communists believe if they can ONLY pass enough laws . . or just the RIGHT laws . . . they will change people's hearts. Meanwhile . . . passing gun laws and banning flags makes them feel oh, so superior.
It is ridiculous. There is now more hatred being generated to remove a symbolism than all the alleged hatred the symbolism caused. It is starting to appear that it all boils down to jealousy….I can’t have your pride, do I don’t want you to be able to have your pride either. After all the years of displaying the flag, now suddenly….the whole of America will implode if it is not done away with immediately. Its matter over substance for these people….with priorities lost to people with no substantive priorities. Damn, I simply cannot understand or tolerate ignorant people…
If you read my posts, I said the flag should not have been flown over the state capitol. If that were all this is about….that is being taken care of. But, is that all this is about?
Keep in mind, some state gubmints are now flying Rainbow Flags as well. As to *it's* "symbolism," this kind of state sanction is shameful. It can be vigorously argued that the Left has created a caricature of the "symbol" of the South. It's my understanding that this flag (stars & bars) represents the sovereignty, heritage and independence of southern culture. Why must people obsess on the illusion that this flag represent a single issue: "Pro-Slavery"? Answer: Because it serves an agenda to continue hating, demonizing and ridicule the South, Whitey, and it's obvious population of "rednecks." To wit: An insane kook on drugs targets and murders 9 black Christians during a Bible study. Suddenly there's a "connection" between the stars & bars, guns, racism, and... insanity? Instead I believe a ban on SSRIs, leftist kooks, and anti-Christians should be considered.
If that were all this is about….that is being taken care of. But, is that all this is about? No of course not .It's about the Dems trying to play the race card and pinning it on Republican candidates . The candidates responses were frankly shakey until Nikki gave them an out . This flag issue will have a short life span because it is being taken care of . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Why must people obsess on the illusion that this flag represent a single issue: "Pro-Slavery"? Answer: Because it serves an agenda to continue hating, demonizing and ridicule the South, Whitey, and it's obvious population of "rednecks." If they want to recognize the "sovereignty, heritage and independence of southern culture" ,then they should not be using the stars and bars because that flag flew to preserve the peculiar institution . There is no denying that despite their couching it in words like sovereignty, heritage and southern culture. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
On the other side of the ledger she may be seen as pandering to PC sensitivities and coercion while exploiting this issue to gain political points. That's not "leadership" to me. I get it -- The heritage of someone of Indian heritage may not be so interested in preserving southern American heritage, but then again I'm not one of her SC constituents who elected her governor.
Do you mean "slavery"? With all due respect, Tom, that's a matter of opinion. There is no denying that despite their couching it in words like sovereignty, heritage and southern culture. Again, we disagree.
So you reject the notion that the CW was actually a "War of Northern Aggression"? I reckon to the victors goes the narrative of "history." Lincoln tore up the US Constitution and destroyed ALL states sovereignty and pacts between the states and fedguv. We should instead never forget what the true reason of the rebellion was about ....slavery . NOT true.
More importantly, you should not be arguing from a position cloudy with ignorance. They are NOT “using the stars and bars.” You need to learn to properly identify the Confederate flags….before you continue.
Your examples and all the blow up about the Confederate flag in South Carolina brings up at the same time a question to sane Americans. What about all the foreign flags flying on public property? That the Confederate flag should be now taken down from the SC state capital and should never be proudly flown on any public property has become a clarion call against only the Confederate flag. But what is never said by liberals and our extreme left wing media is that NO foreign flag should EVER be flown on public property. And yet they, especially Mexico’s, are very often flown on public property. The Mexican flag is flown many times on the property of many public buildings and schools. Is this not just as disgustingly despicable to you as the flying of the Confederate flag is? Do you find it shameful that the San Leandro, California, city council voted to and then did fly the Chinese flag about their city hall? There are many others instances like these that no one cares about….only the Confederate flag pisses them off. Why is that?
Frankly, I don't see why people want to take it to the mat and fight over a flag of a defeated army. With so many other battles that need to be won, dying on this hill is a LOSE-LOSE for conservatives. By design. I embrace the principle, but this is merely another Divide & Conquer PR game that's played and easily won) by the Left. But then again, they hold ALL the mainstream and social media cards, the entire Dem Party, the WH, and 1/2 the GOP. This issue will be taken to the mat because it'll serve as a red herring (why waste time delving into Candidate Hitlery's skeletal closet? Or battle over substantial issues when they only serve to expose the hypocrites, thieves, and constitutional usurpers?)
I fear not. A historically famous quote comes to mind. Defenders of the Confederate Cross has invited hundreds of people to attend a Saturday protest at the South Carolina Statehouse in Columbia. The League of the South, which is pushing for secession, is also planning a protest in Columbia this weekend, though it has not announced deta There are others planned… Another historically famous quote comes to mind.
Thus giving people more chances to associate the "Confederate flag" treason, traitors and racist goofballs.
Absolutely. The fire is now burning high under the kettle... This may only be the beginning...let's hope it does not grow.
Yes . The other name that would be appropriate perhaps is a 2nd American Revolution. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Secession would be as successful as it previously was . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Because you forgot to spray RAID on all the liberals.
More so . No foreign flag should be flown on public property without an American flag flying (with the US flag slightly higher). Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Is Wal Mart getting rid of the MExican flag merchandise too? They are quite evil.
I don't have an opinion on the private sales of flags. My comments address the flag being the state flag .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
#3. To: Gatlin, GarySpFC (#0)
Republicans, who have a majority in both the House and Senate, have long been divided on the issue. But many Republicans have abandoned their past defense of the flag.
#4. To: Gatlin (#0)
#5. To: tomder55 (#4)
It's long past the time that this symbol of the Confederacy be removed from all State Goverment offical flags .
#6. To: tomder55 (#4)
I think Haley will be recognized as taking leadership on this issue. It's long past the time that this symbol of the Confederacy be removed from all State Goverment offical flags .
#7. To: Gatlin (#6)
(Edited)
#8. To: tomder55 (#7)
#9. To: tomder55 (#4)
I think Haley will be recognized as taking leadership on this issue. It's long past the time that this symbol of the Confederacy be removed from all State Goverment offical flags .
Haley said: “We are not going to allow this symbol to divide us any longer.”
#10. To: tomder55 (#7)
That is why I commend Haley for leading the move to remove it.
#11. To: Gatlin (#10)
If someone hates, taking away a flag will not turn their hate into love….will it?
#12. To: A K A Stone, tomder55 (#8)
If not why the hypocrisy?
#13. To: Fred Mertz (#11)
A few of them really surprised me with their limp-wristed ways in the past few days.
#14. To: Gatlin (#0)
The Senate must also agree to meet, though Haley has said she would use her authority as governor to force a special legislative session.
#15. To: Gatlin (#10)
addressed this in my Post #9...
#16. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Do you think George Washington should be taken off the money? Why not he owned slaves.
#17. To: Gatlin (#10)
If someone want to kill another person, taking a gun away will not change their desire….will it?
#18. To: redleghunter (#14)
#19. To: tomder55 (#15)
#20. To: tomder55 (#4)
(Edited)
It's long past the time that this symbol of the Confederacy be removed from all State Goverment offical flags .
#21. To: Gatlin (#19)
If you read my posts, I said the flag should not have been flown over the state capitol.
#22. To: Liberator (#20)
It's my understanding that this flag (stars & bars) represents the sovereignty, heritage and independence of southern culture.
#23. To: tomder55 (#4)
I think Haley will be recognized as taking leadership on this issue.
#24. To: tomder55 (#22)
That flag flew to preserve the peculiar institution .
#25. To: tomder55 (#7)
Now the Confederate flag ;the flag of treason and rebellion against the United States...
#26. To: tomder55 (#22)
...they should not be using the stars and bars.
#27. To: tomder55 (#15)
Yes hatred will still exist . So removing the flag would not change that fact. My reason is the same reason why the Union Jack would not have been permitted to fly over government buildings in the US after the Revolution . It's why the Reich war flag doesn't fly in Germany .
Calexico, California: Calexico City Hall
#28. To: redleghunter (#14)
A special legislative session over a flag. How absurd.
#29. To: tomder55 (#21)
This flag issue will have a short life span because it is being taken care of .
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." Allegedly attributed to Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto regarding the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor by forces of Imperial Japan.
" I have not yet begun to fight!" This was the immortal retort of Captain John Paul Jones to a request to surrender as he and his crew engaged in a desperate battle with a British frigate off the northern coast of England during the American Revolution.
#30. To: Gatlin, tomder55 (#29)
The League of the South, which is pushing for secession, is also planning a protest in Columbia this weekend, though it has not announced deta
#31. To: Pericles (#30)
Thus giving people more chances to associate the "Confederate flag" treason, traitors and racist goofballs.
#32. To: Liberator (#25)
So you reject the notion that the CW was actually a "War of Northern Aggression"?
#33. To: Gatlin (#29)
The League of the South, which is pushing for secession, is also planning a protest in Columbia this weekend, though it has not announced deta
#34. To: Gatlin (#27)
Why is that?
#35. To: Gatlin (#27)
What about all the foreign flags flying on public property? ...Is this not just as disgustingly despicable to you as the flying of the Confederate flag is?
#36. To: tomder55 (#35)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)
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