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Title: Forrest : Memphis' first White Civil Rights Advocate
Source: General Nathan Bedford Forrest Historical Society
URL Source: http://tennessee-scv.org/ForrestHistSociety/forrest_speech.html
Published: Jun 23, 2015
Author: editor
Post Date: 2015-06-23 18:05:47 by GarySpFC
Keywords: Forrest
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Forrest : Memphis' first White Civil Rights Advocate

Lt. General Nathan Bedford Forrest (1821-1877) was a renowned Southern military leader and strategist during the War Between the States. During the Civil War, Forrest's Confederate cavalry wrecked havoc among Union forces throughout the mid-South. He gained worldwide fame from his many battlefield successes, but the wartime heroics have overshadowed his post-war work as a community leader and civil rights advocate. He fought fiercely on the battlefield, yet was a compassionate man off the field. After the war, Forrest worked tirelessly to build the New South and to promote employment for black Southerners. Forrest was known near and far as a great general, and was a well-respected citizen by both blacks and whites alike. The Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association (predecessor to the NAACP) was organized by Southern blacks after the war to promote black voting rights, etc. One of their early conventions was held in Memphis and Mr. Forrest was invited to be the guest speaker, the first white man ever to be invited to speak to the Association.

After the Civil War, General Forrest made a speech to the Memphis City Council (then called the Board of Aldermen). In this speech he said that there was no reason that the black man could not be doctors, store clerks, bankers, or any other job equal to whites. They were part of our community and should be involved and employed as such just like anyone else. In another speech to Federal authorities, Forrest said that many of the ex-slaves were skilled artisans and needed to be employed and that those skills needed to be taught to the younger workers. If not, then the next generation of blacks would have no skills and could not succeed and would become dependent on the welfare of society.

Forrest's words went unheeded. The Memphis & Selma Railroad was organized by Forrest after the war to help rebuild the South's transportation and to build the 'new South'. Forrest took it upon himself to hire blacks as architects, construction engineers and foremen, train engineers and conductors, and other high level jobs. In the North, blacks were prohibited from holding such jobs. When the Civil War began, Forrest offered freedom to 44 of his slaves if they would serve with him in the Confederate army. All 44 agreed. One later deserted; the other 43 served faithfully until the end of the war.

Though they had many chances to leave, they chose to remain loyal to the South and to Forrest. Part of General Forrest's command included his own Escort Company, his Green Berets, made up of the very best soldiers available. This unit, which varied in size from 40-90 men, was the elite of the cavalry. Eight of these picked men were black soldiers and all served gallantly and bravely throughout the war. All were armed with at least 2 pistols and a rifle. Most also carried two additional pistols in saddle holsters. At war's end, when Forrest's cavalry surrendered in May 1865, there were 65 black troopers on the muster roll. Of the soldiers who served under him, Forrest said of the black troops: Finer Confederates never fought.

Forrest was a brilliant cavalryman and courageous soldier. As author Jack Hurst writes: a man possessed of physical valor perhaps unprecedented among his countrymen, as well as, ironically, a man whose social attitudes may well have changed farther in the direction of racial enlightenment over the span of his lifetime than those of most American historical figures.

When Forrest died in 1877 it is noteworthy that his funeral in Memphis was attended not only by a throng of thousands of whites but by hundreds of blacks as well. The funeral procession was over two miles long and was attended by over 10,000 area residents, including 3000 black citizens paying their respects.

Forrest's speech to the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association July 5, 1875.

A convention and BBQ was held by the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association at the fairgrounds of Memphis, five miles east of the city. An invitation to speak was conveyed to General Nathan Bedford Forrest, one of the city's most prominent citizens, and one of the foremost cavalry commanders in the late War Between the States. This was the first invitation granted to a white man to speak at this gathering. The invitation's purpose, one of the leaders said, was to extend peace, joy, and union, and following a brief welcoming address a Miss Lou Lewis, daughter of an officer of the Pole-Bearers, brought forward flowers and assurances that she conveyed them as a token of good will. After Miss Lewis handed him the flowers, General Forrest responded with a short speech that, in the contemporary pages of the Memphis Appeal, evinces Forrest's racial open-mindedness that seemed to have been growing in him.

Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.)

Whereupon N. B. Forrest again thanked Miss Lewis for the bouquet and then gave her a kiss on the cheek. Such a kiss was unheard of in the society of those days, in 1875, but it showed a token of respect and friendship between the general and the black community and did much to promote harmony among the citizens of Memphis.


Poster Comment:

I have read over 11 biographies of Forrest, and the man's ccharacter shines through in all of them. I once had a movie producer convinced into making a movie about Forrest, and the Left made it clear he would NEVER be allowed to make the film. .

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#1. To: GarySpFC (#0)

"The Lost Cause is necromancy--it summons the dead and enslaves them to the need of their vainglorious, self-styled descendants. Its greatest crime is how it denies, even in death, the humanity of the very people it claims to venerate. This isn't about 'honoring' the past--it's about an inability to cope with the present.

"This is about a lancing shame, about that gaping wound in the soul that comes when confronted with the appalling deeds of our forebears. Lost Causers worship their ancestors, in the manner of the abandoned child who brags that his dead- beat father is actually an astronaut, away on a mission of cosmic importance.

"I know how this goes. For us, it's coping with the fact that people who looked like you sold you into slavery. It's understanding that you come from a place that was on the wrong side of the Gatling gun. It's feeling not simply like one of history's losers, but that you had no right to win. The work of the mature intellect is to reconcile oneself to the past without a retreat into fantasy-- in either direction."

- T.N. Coates (who is black)

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-06-23   18:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: GarySpFC (#0)

Ruh,ROH! You have done it now! You have dared to publish the historical truth,and race baiters and panderers as well as those who like to think they are "special" because they discovered racial equality will be after you like a hen on a tick.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-23   19:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

"This is about a lancing shame, about that gaping wound in the soul that comes when confronted with the appalling deeds of our forebears. Lost Causers worship their ancestors, in the manner of the abandoned child who brags that his dead- beat father is actually an astronaut, away on a mission of cosmic importance.

You think all men are cut from the same bolt of cloth. I come from a Southern family. My great-great grandfather was killed at Sharpsburg, and my family suffered greatly after his death. Like most in the south my family never owned slaves. During the Depression my family helped many families without regard to race. My grandad ran a general store and dairy, and helped all.. Additionally, my family believed slavery and discrimination was wrong, and that was their belief long before we moved to the Mid-West in the early fifties. Was my family unique in their beliefs? No, and that is also noted by the fact only a minority owned slaves. That said,, since you are determined to pass guilt onto all men in certain societies, then I could do the same with you.

It may surprise you to learn that my family was originally Catholic. My family name was Wyatt. During the 1500's my 12Th and 11th great-grandfathers were in Spain, and viewed the Inquisition. They came away determined to prevent the marriage between Phillip of Spain and Mary, Queen of England. The younger Wyatt raised a small army to lead a rebellion against the queen. Wyatt was captured, beheaded, and quartered in the Tower of England. Should I lay the. inquisition and his death at your feet? You support the Catholic Church? .

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-23   19:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete (#2)

I seriously doubt Vicomte even read the article.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-23   19:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GarySpFC (#4)

I seriously doubt Vicomte even read the article.

He really is a bright guy. It's a damn shame he has been brainwashed to the point where he can't accept a non-PC (for him) truth as fact.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-23   19:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GarySpFC (#0)

German General Irwin Rommel devoted extensive study to Forrest's strategy and tactics.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-23   21:38:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict.

Nathan Bedford Forrest

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-23   22:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#5)

I seriously doubt Vicomte even read the article.

He really is a bright guy. It's a damn shame he has been brainwashed to the point where he can't accept a non-PC (for him) truth as fact.

He has a worldview which will not allow him to see the truth.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-23   23:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GarySpFC, Vicomte13, All (#7)

We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict.

Nathan Bedford Forrest

Unfortunately not words for the state of the Union these days. Didn't you get the memo? Only whites can be racist. Only whites can commit hate crimes.

We are a divided country, more today than in any time in the past 70 years, perhaps last 100+ years. About 1/2 of our population has no emotional, intellectual, philosophical connection with our Founding Fathers or their vision and accomplishments. The other 1/2 is slowly dying out and being replaced by brainwashed PC sheep that are ignorant of our history, save for the ugly sides of it. There is nothing that is going to reverse this in the foreseeable future. The Great Experiment is dead. As dead as Nathan Bedford Forrest.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-23   23:13:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SOSO (#9)

We are a divided country, more today than in any time in the past 70 years, perhaps last 100+ years. About 1/2 of our population has no emotional, intellectual, philosophical connection with our Founding Fathers or their vision and accomplishments. The other 1/2 is slowly dying out and being replaced by brainwashed PC sheep that are ignorant of our history, save for the ugly sides of it. There is nothing that is going to reverse this in the foreseeable future. The Great Experiment is dead. As dead as Nathan Bedford Forrest.

Well said.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-23   23:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13, GarySpFC (#1)

Reading this hagiography one is tempted to forget this man founded the KKK.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-25   0:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pericles (#11)

Reading this hagiography one is tempted to forget this man founded the KKK.

Forrest founded the group at the requests of Lee and Gordon in order to restore order. He agreed to it as long as it did remain controlled. Less than a year later he disbanded the group, when members would not obey.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-25   1:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: GarySpFC (#12)

Forrest founded the group at the requests of Lee and Gordon in order to restore order. He agreed to it as long as it did remain controlled. Less than a year later he disbanded the group, when members would not obey.

All I wrote was this hagiography never mentioned this aspect of this obvious friend to the black man.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-25   2:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pericles (#13)

It may surprise you to learn Forrest became a very devout Christian after the war.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-25   6:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pericles (#13)

From American. catholic:

Donald R. McClarey on Monday, August 9, A.D. 2010 at 4:00pm As I said Trevor at the beginning of my post, Forrest is probably the most controversial figure in American history. On my blog Almost Chosen People, when I posted this, I received flak from a neo- Confederate named Bill. A debate between you and Bill would be amusing if not edifying. http://almostchosenpeople.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/nathan-bedford-forrest-and-racial- reconciliation/ In regard to Forrest, you are quite incorrect as to whether he is fascinating. He obviously is, judging from the number of recent biographies and the fact that whenever his name appears in anything I write for a blog, the comments roll in. As for his speech, Forrest was invited to give it. He specifically indicates in it that he is not going to attempt to tell his listeners how to vote. I might also note that it would be a peculiar election strategy to think that sending Forrest of Fort Pillow and the Klan to a black group would be an effective form of political persuasion. By 1875 Forrest by all indications was no longer involved with the Klan and was not involved in politics. Forrest in his speech was not speaking for any party, but for himself. You are of course free to interpret his speech as arising from ulterior motives, but I do not think that the facts support such an interpretation.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-25   6:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: All (#14)

More from Amerrican Catholic

Paul Wangsvick on Saturday, September 25, A.D. 2010 at 10:23pm I can’t help but chime in: Often Forrest’s reputation comes down to the controversies surrounding three specific parts of his life: 1) His role as a slave-trader. 2) His role in the Battle (Massacre) of Fort Pillow. 3) His role in the Klan. There is no denying Forrest was a slave trader. However, the practice was perfectly legal at the time (Constitutionally protected even as evidenced by the Dred Scott decision) and he wasn’t the only person partaking in said practice. Of course this does not exonerate his participation therein from a moral standpoint, but this detail placed in it’s proper historical context is, as Michael Bradley (Nathan Bedford Forrest’s Escort and Staff, 2006, pg 215-6) passionately argues, an example of presentism; “Presentism would have us use our knowledge and values to judge the actions of the past, even though our knowledge and values were not accessible to the people of the past.” If the matter is argued even further, 13 out of 39 signing members of the Constitution were slave-traders/slave- owners themselves and during the 1858 debates with Douglas, Lincoln even remarked (a position he publicly held on numerous occasions following his election) that he did not think that the black man is “my equal in many respects, certainly not in color—perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowments…” (Shane Kastler, Nathan Bedford Forrest’s Redemption, 2010, 37-9). One thus wonders if the onslaught of criticism of Forrest’s slave-trading activities are as merited when so many prominent historical figures in US history are given passes for their words/actions in comparison. The Battle (Massacre) of Fort Pillow is a wonderful example of propaganda. There are numerous points of contention worth noting, but among the more noteworthy: A) Forrest’s official report for his activities was not offered or considered as evidence in his defense for 4 months; his report was submitted to his Commanding Officer, General Polk, who subsequently died during the Atlanta Campaign against General Sherman and the report was lost until later found by Polk’s replacement. Consequently, the Northern Congress wrote of the event as a “massacre” while distributing 40,000 copies decrying Forrest’s action as murder; oh yes, it was also 1864 and Lincoln was convinced he wouldn’t win re-election unless desperate measures were taken (Robert Selph Henry, First with the Most; Forrest, 1944, 248-9). Interestingly, too, that same Congress also exonerated Forrest but the Northern Press did not emphasize that detail with the same vigor it had in efforts of condemning him. B) Equally interesting, Fort Pillow was given 3 (count them, three) chances to surrender. The Fort was surrounded. The Federals were outnumbered. The main commanders of the Fort, Bradford and Booth, had zero combat experience. I could go on (Hell, just read Maness, Jordan & Pryor, Wyeth, Hurst, Wills, or anyone else that documents the event) and the outcome is pretty predictable. C) Did I also forget to mention that more than half the combatants were taken prisoner, given quarter, medical treatment and all prisoners of war were eventually exchanged to the federals? (Jordan & Pryor, 1899, reprinted 1996, 704). D) Oh, and did I also forget to mention that many of the Federal combatants did surrender, only to re-pick up their arms and start shooting again? (See Jordan & Pryor, Wyeth, Wills, Hurst, etc.) Interesting how the Congressional report condemning Forrest includes testimony by Federal soldiers saying that they never officially surrendered as well as re-fought after individual members surrendered, but the Northern Press, again, did not emphasize these points with the same vigor it had in condemning him. Here is where it might be reasonable to believe a conspiracy of sorts was taking place. E) More people died at the The Battle of Antietam (Sharpsburg) in one day than virtually all of Forrest’s war campaigns put together. You might be thinking, “So what difference does that make?” Well, there is only one real obvious difference, minus the commanders involved with each conflict: white people were killing white people instead of white people killing black people. Could it really be this simple? Maybe not. But when numerous colored regiments under the regional direction of Federal General Sturgis, among numerous others assigned by General Sherman to annihilate Forrest, fail miserably and repeatedly, it’s a tough recruiting tool to win public support, increase black enlistment, not appear incompetent, etc., when Forrest is consistently destroying those in his path. Plus how else can the Federals justify their losses beyond conceding that they did not adequately train members of their command? Cognitive dissonance and propaganda work miracles. A lot of ink has also been spilled about Forrest having a role in the Klan. Was he in the group or wasn’t he? According to Morton (1909), Forrest’s former artillery officer, he initiated Forrest as a member and as eventual Grand Dragon. According to Stanley Horn (1939), Forrest was probably a member but there is no conclusive evidence he ever held a leadership role. Pick and choose whatever you want to believe, but a few things are clear: A) Forrest wasn’t a founding member of the organization; it already existed for a year to 18 months before his alleged involvement. B) During Reconstruction ex-Confederates were denied the right to vote. The fear was that if they could vote, they would vote to maintain the Old South as well as white supremacy; indeed a reasonable fear. Consequently, however, rather than reconciliation or efforts to reconstruct the South for all its members, ex-Confederates were now singled out for discrimination. The Governor of Tennessee, Brownlow, went so far under a Reconstructionalist agenda to attempt to have all ex- Confederates shot by citizen militia groups under the pretense that all KKK members were clearly ex-Confederates fighting for the right to preserve the Old South (and by proxy obvious Klan members and/or sympathizers), while the offenders would never be brought to justice if Brownlow had his way. It should be noted that some might argue that this position taken by Brownlow and Reconstructionalists was justice for the plight of what blacks inhumanely suffered for centuries; others might argue, rightfully, however, that using more discrimination to fight discrimination solves nothing. Notwithstanding, once Brownlow resigned to pursue political aspirations as a Senator, Senter of the Democratic Party became the new Tennessee governor and voting rights were restored for all eligible citizens. In so doing, the KKK was officially disbanded; often attributed as the work of Forrest. C) New groups, in the name of the original, popped up. Many allegations have even surfaced that many of the newer groups were actually discontent Union-loyalists attempting to pursue their own agenda (Selph Henry, 450-1). I have even read some critics suggest that some of the “newer” Klan groups were discontent blacks; but you’d have to really buy into conspiracy theories and insane propaganda to believe that any group of people would vote/fight/kill against their own interests… oh, that does happen. In sum, Forrest is often judged for isolated incidents before the Civil War (e.g. slave-trading), during the Civil War (e.g. Fort Pillow) and immediately following the Civil War (e.g. KKK activities). Interestingly, however, the last 8 years of Forrest’s life are often ignored altogether. You might be thinking, “Why should anyone care?” Well, for one, Forrest converted to Christianity. Two, Forrest began to publicly preach racial reconciliation (e.g. evidenced by his speech to the Pole Bearers, among other things). Three, Forrest even alienated his traditionally white supporters in efforts to protect newly emancipated slaves (e.g. as a planter following the Civil War he actually paid black laborers more than his competitors/neighbors). Often the “so what?” question from these observations emerge. Detractors of Forrest often like to find instances of controversy while choosing to only provide certain pieces to make their case. Conversely, defenders of Forrest often like to emphasize Forrest’s war achievements in isolation from the rest of his life and not fully consider him as the incomplete, inconsistent, and contradictory person that he was. For what my stake in this larger debate entails, I would say this: defenders of Forrest have hurt Forrest’s reputation by refusing to acknowledge the man for all his faults. Instead, Forrest has become a symbol of white masculinity defending a way of life that may never have existed (e.g. read the Agrarian Manifesto by the 12 Southerners or Cash’s The Mind of the South for a better idea of what I’m talking about). Detractors of Forrest have done nothing but focus on the man for his faults, often cherry-picking details out of context or simply ignoring context altogether. Interestingly, neither defenders nor detractors have spoken much about Forrest’s last 8 years in great detail; almost as if to imply that neither is willing to consider Forrest as having developed a progressive attitude towards race late in his life. But what an irony it would be if the NAACP and the KKK have been using the same man to make an argument for their respective positions, when, in fact, Forrest is not the man either have claimed him to be. But it’s a lot easier to blindly accept what we’re told because, after all, history is always inclusive of—and written with—the minority position in mind. Or not.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-25   7:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GarySpFC (#3)

It may surprise you to learn that my family was originally Catholic.

How could itJ Everybody in Europe, from Gibraltar to the Urals, from Constantinople to Trondheim, was originally Catholic. The breakup of Christian unity only came later. If you're a European, your ancestors are Catholic if you go back far enough.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-06-25   8:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

How could itJ Everybody in Europe, from Gibraltar to the Urals, from Constantinople to Trondheim, was originally Catholic. The breakup of Christian unity only came later. If you're a European, your ancestors are Catholic if you go back far enough.

True, but you will find the family has a long line of ministers, which generally speaks to character.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-25   9:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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