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Title: S.C. Sons of Confederate Veterans on Mother Emanuel shooting
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URL Source: http://m.charlestoncitypaper.com/Ha ... ans-on-mother-emanuel-shooting
Published: Jun 23, 2015
Author: Chris Haire
Post Date: 2015-06-23 00:12:59 by A K A Stone
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Chris HaireI'm not sure how this story was missed, but the division commander of the S.C. Sons of Confederate Veterans, Leland Summers, released a statement on the Emanuel AME Church shooting last Wednesday. In it, he expressed sympathy for the victims and their families, noted there were black Confederate soldiers, and proclaimed there is no connection between the Confederate flag and the Mother Emanuel shooting. Here's what Summers said in its entirety: On the night of June 17, 2015, an attempt was made to break the spirit of all South Carolinians.

The deranged mind of a horrendous individual, entered Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, and took the lives of nine admirable individuals. This historic House of God became the scene of a brutal massacre beyond understanding. We all contemplate, why did this happen?

Perhaps this is a question that cannot be answered. What kind of a world are we leaving behind for our children, when you can’t go into God’s House without the threat of being gunned down? This is, in fact a crime of hate and an act of terrorism. It is reported that the culprit’s craving was to bring about “civil” war and division between Black and White citizens of the Palmetto State. This did not happen. We will not allow it to happen. South Carolinians will stand together hand in hand regardless of race, creed, or skin color to prevent it from happening. South Carolina will not cower to the evil deeds of one hateful being.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans extends our heartfelt sympathy to the families who have lost loved ones in this tragedy. We stand with the citizens of Charleston as they come together to mourn the loss of these beloved individuals. We pray that God will grant them comfort and peace during this time of despair. Emanuel Church proclaims compassion, peace, and justice throughout the historic Grand City of the South. This congregation stands for what is right and is a force against evil. Hatred has reared its ugly face in our country masquerading as political correctness. What God has ordained as righteous and just will always be righteous and just. What God has ordained as evil will always be evil. No man, government, or principality has authority to change the will of God.

Hatred is evil. Recent acts in Charleston are just plain evil. South Carolinians have chosen to defeat evil by offering love and support of each other, rather than disobedience, distrust and destruction. Disobedience and destruction only breeds yet more hatred and evil.

Historical fact shows there were Black Confederate soldiers. These brave men fought in the trenches beside their White brothers, all under the Confederate Battle Flag. This same Flag stands as a memorial to these soldiers on the grounds of the SC Statehouse today. The Sons of Confederate Veterans, a historical honor society, does not delineate which Confederate soldier we will remember or honor. We cherish and revere the memory of all Confederate veterans. None of them, Black or White, shall be forgotten.

The SC Division, Sons of Confederate Veterans has a stringently enforced Hate Policy. We will remove any member who expresses racist hatred sentiments. Anyone with ties to racist organizations will not be granted membership. The perpetrator of the vile act in Charleston has never been a member or associated with the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Unfortunately some other subversive organizations distort Confederate symbols in an attempt to make them stand for hatred and disillusion. The SCV vehemently opposes the ideals and actions of such organizations. The Sons of Confederate Veterans has both Black and White members. In our eyes there is no difference. Our membership is made up of descendants of Native-Americans, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Hispanics, Christians and Jewish who took a stand for the Cause they believed was right. The love and defense of the South’s symbols, culture, and heritage is not hate. It is knowing and understanding of the truth.

Not knowing your heritage is ignorance.

Our organization offers to everyone the opportunity to learn the true facts of the war fought on American soil between 1861-1865 and the heritage we value. That is why we exist. Our camps are listed on our website, www.scscv.com on our About Us Page. This is your invitation to attend any of our meetings. It is shameful and disgraceful that other organizations chose to use this heinous act to promote their political agenda. Do not associate the cowardly actions of a racist to our Confederate Banner; for it is a Banner of honorable men, both Black and White.

There is absolutely no link between The Charleston Massacre and The Confederate Memorial Banner. Don’t try to create one.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

There is absolutely no link between The Charleston Massacre and The Confederate Memorial Banner. Don’t try to create one.

First they blamed the guns, then the confederate flag, I cannot help but wonder how long it will take to blame the seeds planted that grew into the food that fed the boy.

Never blame the prescription drugs prescribed and being taken by the killer, for heaven forbid the media should insult one of their biggest sponsors.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-06-23   8:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BobCeleste (#1)

The Confederate flag is just as vile and despicable as the Nazi Swastika.... and should be loudly repudiated with the same contempt.

Some people march to a different drummer - and some people POLKA.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-06-23   8:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Willie Green (#2)

The Confederate flag is just as vile and despicable as the Nazi Swastika.... and should be loudly repudiated with the same contempt.

Some people march to a different drummer - and some people POLKA

Democrats who murder babies. Like the ones you vote for. Should all be put to death. You vote for murderers. That means you are a murderer at heat.

They want to kill the Confederate flag. But you support actual murderers. Maybe it is you sickos that should be killed instead. Or maybe people with tiny pea brains like you should just shut up.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-23   8:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)

Give your deluded anti-abortion rants a rest.

Some people march to a different drummer - and some people POLKA.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-06-23   8:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#3)

DITTO !

There is no comparison between The Confederate flag and the Nazi Swastika

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-06-23   8:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green (#4) (Edited)

Once again I see you supporting hate.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-23   9:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Willie Green (#4)

I know you vote for people that put babies in blenders. They cut them into little pieces and flush them down the toilet. But because you have no soul and you are immoral you don't give a shit.

I wont shut up about assholes who vote for murderers. Like you for example.

Especially when you open your pie hole and complain about Southern Heritage.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-23   9:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Willie Green (#2)

The Confederate flag is just as vile and despicable as the Nazi Swastika

Why?

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-06-23   9:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#7)

I know you vote for people that put babies in blenders.

PP does not use blenders to dispose of aborted babies. When I was an officer with KFL they were using commercial garbos for that purpose.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-23   9:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BobCeleste (#8)

Why?

Because the Nazi Swastika and Confederate flag are both symbols of racist hatred and bigotry.

Some people march to a different drummer - and some people POLKA.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-06-23   9:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Willie Green (#10) (Edited)

You democrats are the image of chopped up bloody babies. Crying babies cut up because democrats are all evil.

I'm still not sure if you are ignorant, stupid or evil

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-23   9:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Willie Green (#10)

Because the Nazi Swastika and Confederate flag are both symbols of racist hatred and bigotry.

Your hurt feelings about my bigotry or my hatred towards you as a libtard, don't out trump my 1st amendment rights to hate you and be vocal or expressive about it.

I suggest you toughen up... instead of trying to force the rest of the world to weaken down to your thin skin level.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-23   10:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Willie Green (#10)

Willie, it' is very obvious to most in this forum that your worldview is racism. You might want to study the subject "world views."

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-23   10:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Willie Green, A K A Stone, GarySpFC, GrandIsland, BobCeleste, (#10) (Edited)

…Confederate flag….symbol of racist hatred and bigotry.

Is the Army of Northern Virginia battle flag quintessentially a symbol of hatred and bigotry? Anyone can in their own mind make anything a symbol of racist hatred and bigotry….just as you have done.

I am, however, among the polled half of Americans who insist that the Confederate battle flag does not express hatred and bigotry. Foremost, I can accept the sincerity of those who willing talk about their devotion to the flag and join them when they do so among other things, to honor soldiers killed in the American civil war who fought out of a sense of duty to God and family….not hatred and bigotry.

If you were to ask me what the flag symbolizes, I would say to you that in a personal way it symbolizes to me the courage and the valor shown by my 3 great grandfathers joining with others, who at the time did what they believed was the right thing to do.

Let’s consider the definitions of hatred and bigotry:

Hatred is defined as, “intense dislike.”
Bigotry is defined as an, “intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.”

To those who say the Confederate battle flag symbolizes hatred and bigotry, I say that I am sure the flag flown outside the South Carolina statehouse will come down. But to you, Willie, I ask if hatred and bigotry are not the driving factors to bring it down? Hmmm…

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-23   11:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone, GarySpFC, GrandIsland, BobCeleste (#14)

But to you, Willie, I ask if hatred and bigotry are not the driving factors to bring it down? Hmmm…

Yes, you’re a racist… and a traitor.

Some people march to a different drummer - and some people POLKA.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-06-23   12:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Willie Green, A K A Stone, GarySpFC, GrandIsland, BobCeleste (#15) (Edited)

But to you, Willie, I ask if hatred and bigotry are not the driving factors to bring it down? Hmmm…

Yes, you’re a racist… and a traitor.

You didn't understand the question, Willie.

Furthermore, you are being unreasonable to advocate that only your opinion is correct and eveyone who will not agree with you is entirely wrong..

There are those who feel the Army of Northern Virginia battle flag portrays the valor of their forefathers and symbolizes those brave men who accepted their defeat….many of their descendants have gone on to make the ultimate sacrifice in battle to ensure freedom and justice for all of us.

I am repulsed by the very few individuals who kidnap this magnificent symbol for use in their personal agendas and destructive vendettas. It is extremely unfair to judge solely by the misguided actions of a few ignorant and demented white supremacist.

So, Willie, let’s look at this a little deeper. What else did Dylann Roof have? Oh, Yea….a black Hyundai vehicle. Should all black Hyundai vehicles be declared symbols of hatred and bigotry? That would your line of reasoning....right, Willie?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-23   13:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin, GarySpFc (#16)

There are those who feel the Army of Northern Virginia battle flag portrays the valor of their forefathers and symbolizes those brave men who accepted their defeat….many of their descendants have gone on to make the ultimate sacrifice in battle to ensure freedom and justice for all of us.

It's amazing some want to erase the full story of history. The vast majority who died on the Confederate side never owned slaves.

History needs to be told completely. Good, the bad and the warts and all.

From a military history perspective...don't know about you but out of all the generals of the Civil War era, General Robert E. Lee is the most read of all. It's because he won more battles with less men and resources. Not to mention better subordinate leaders.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-23   13:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: redleghunter, Willie Green, A K A Stone, GarySpFC, GrandIsland, BobCeleste (#17)

The vast majority who died on the Confederate side never owned slaves.

While this is true....it is an unknown, or often ignored, fact that thousands of blacks served as soldiers in the ranks of the “Armies of the Confederate States of America.” Documentation was poor for those days, but it has been reported that as many as 30,000 blacks took on the uniform and actually fought for the South. They were not slaves. They were documented through paperwork processed the same way as for whites….having stated the terms of enlisting, mustering out and applying for pension benefits after the war.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-23   14:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: redleghunter (#17)

General Robert E. Lee

Lee was a great general, he knew how to surround himself with highly competent staff and select effective leaders he could trust and knew would do their jobs. He was one of those leaders who had the natural innate ability to motivate and get the best out of people.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-23   14:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Willie Green, ALL (#15)

The Left twists the truth every which way possible to gain power over others, and that is the true SLAVERY.

Here is an example of their bald faced lying. The flag flies over a Confederate war memorial, not over the Capitol building. It is part of the state’s history,

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-23   14:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Willie Green (#10)

Because the Nazi Swastika and Confederate flag are both symbols of racist hatred and bigotry.

Not so. The civil was was not over racism or slavery it was over Article Ten of the Bill of Rights.

Willie, you went to public school in the last 30 years I'll bet.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-06-23   14:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GarySpFC (#20)

The flag flies over a Confederate war memorial, not over the Capitol building. It is part of the state’s history,

Thanks for that factoid.

I've read elsewhere a few hours ago that other Confederate symbols and statues are being defaced in other states - this country is going wacko.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-06-23   14:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Fred Mertz, ALL (#22)

As part of a compromise in 2000, lawmakers agreed to remove the Confederate flag from the top of the Capitol dome and place it across the street while also adding a monument to African- Americans. But the legislation mandated that only a supermajority of the legislature could change that set-up going forward.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-23   15:08:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Fred Mertz, GarySpFC (#22)

I've read elsewhere a few hours ago that other Confederate symbols and statues are being defaced in other states - this country is going wacko.

'Black Lives Matter' Painted on Confederate Monument in South Carolina.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-23   15:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Gatlin (#24) (Edited)

Sales of Confederate flags soar as big-name retailers pull item

Just saw this title in the business news section. Collectors no doubt. Like I said, this country is going wacko.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-06-23   15:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Fred Mertz (#25)

I saw that Wal-Mart was pulling something....I can't remember what it was.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-23   15:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Willie Green (#26)

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-23   15:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#26) (Edited)

Symbols of the Confederate flags - on key chains, magnets, and other trinkets. E-bay is going to outlaw auction/sales too of similar items.

Corporate boards are trying to decide what path to follow. Amazon has no comment yet, and that's a good thing in my opinion.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-06-23   15:45:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Fred Mertz ALL (#28)

Why hasn't this been in the news?

Black Guy Shoots up Church Killing 4 then Abducts his Wife and Kills her

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-23   15:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Fred Mertz (#28)

This follow-the-leader PC shit is getting completely out of control.

I know you said something similar to this earlier.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-23   16:00:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Gatlin (#27)

The Myth of Black Confederates

http://www.las.illinois.edu/news/2013/confederates/

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-23   16:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Pericles (#31)

I read that...

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-23   16:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Fred Mertz (#28)

I heard ebay is going to stop selling things with the confederate flag on them.

I also noticed that they sell stuff with the nazi flag. America is worse then nazi's is what they are saying.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html? _from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR5.TRC2.A0.H0.Xnazi+flag.TRS0&_nkw=na zi+flag&_sacat=0

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-23   16:25:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#33)

I hope you've calmed down now.

Are you planning to stock up on Confederate flag collectibles? You better hurry.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-06-23   16:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz (#33)

They are not stopping sale of this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUDAICA-1942-VICIOUS-ANTI-SEMITIC-and- EXTREMELY-RARE-BELGIAN-NEWSPAPER-/150969554122

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-23   16:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#0)

General Lee

Hondo68  posted on  2015-06-23   18:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Willie Green (#4) (Edited)

Give your deluded anti-abortion rants a rest.

But he's right insofar as abortion is murder, and abortionists are murderers, and murder of babies is as black a crime as slavery or segregation, and it's going on NOW. Slavery ended in 1865. Segregation ended in the 1960s.

You are right: the Confederate Flag is a symbol of American slavery and apartheid, and needs to go from official life.

But if you're going to take a stand on right and wrong, you need to be consistent. Abortion is evil, black as hell. IT is the screaming evil of OUR time, and IT needs to be stopped.

Planned Parenthood is more deadly than the KKK ever was.

That doesn't mean that the KKK is not evil, or their symbol is tolerable. It means that your fierce - appropriate - hatred of the KKK and their symbol for the evil it was back then, should ALSO be directed in full force at the slavery and segregation of OUR day, which is the murder in the womb of helpless babies for the sexual convenience of their parents.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-06-24   16:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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