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Title: A request to A K A Stone, Deckjard, and TooConservative
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Published: Jun 22, 2015
Author: Bob Celeste
Post Date: 2015-06-22 08:04:12 by BobCeleste
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Can either of you guys please list all the 'mass' shooters who were on prescribed drugs and the drugs they were on at the time of the shooting(s)? I ask because I consider the three of you the best researchers on LF. And you each have a large following.
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#4. To: BobCeleste (#0)
Deckard might be the most diligent searcher for anti-law and order stories, but he researches nothing -- as evidenced by all the posts shredding his posted articles. nolu chan would be the one to ask. Or me. But I think it would be a waste of time since you're looking at correlation, not causation.
I trust him.
I think that anyone here who reads the laughable replies by you and the other government-worshiping Canary Clan members would consider your posts to be boot-licking propaganda. Get over yourself, fascist boy. Bob's little informal study is most likely a waste if time without also researching how many of these killers also had an illegal substance mixed with their prescribed antidepressants. Marihuana, synthetic weed and narcotics can alter the effects of antidepressants. You'd have to be foolish to not realize at least 85% of these killers smoked weed like they were the descendents of Cheech & Chong. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Yea, you DESPICABLE fascist boy!
Alcohol is among the most dangerous drugs a person can take (Google the side effects) and I'd bet is in the mix of most homicides/murders committed in this nation.
Oh,yeah. The old "Killer Weed" nonsense spouted by a life-long cog in the machine that knows nothing but what he has been conditioned to believe. This is your knee-jerk reaction to justify a career spent arresting people and having them put into prison for what amounts to nothing. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Alcohol is among the most dangerous drugs a person can take (Google the side effects) and I'd bet is in the mix of most homicides/murders committed in this nation. AND the favorite drug of cops everywhere. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Relax, Francis. I'm not sales pitching any anti weed statements. I'm simply making a very reasonable statement that most turds do smoke weed and weed does alter the effects of anti depressants. Bob's backyard scientific study might end up a nightmare for the pro weed crowd... if a real scientific study was conducted. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
The only other idiotic anti-marijuana zealot trying to make that dubious contention is a Carter henchman. While on the other hand, all of the other research has shown that the FDA APPROVED drugs have been responsible in part for the mass shootings that have occurred since Columbine. (You remember Columbine, don't you sparky...where the cops cowered behind threes while the kids inside the school were being gunned down?) While our nation has remained fixated on illicit drug use — such as marijuana, which hurts no one — we ignore science, we ignore medicine, and we ignore good common sense. There is more than one very important message that has not been getting out when it comes to drugs. Psychiatrist David Healy explains: “Violence and other potentially criminal behavior caused by prescription drugs are medicine’s best kept secret. Never before in the fields of medicine and law have there been so many events with so much concealed data and so little focused expertise.” (International Society for Ethical Psychology and Psychiatry, ISEEP). Despite numerous studies devoted to proving (and or looking for) the harmful effects of whatever our government has arbitrarily and conveniently labeled illegal (such as marijuana), there is a serious need for a solid investigation between the relationship between psychotropic drugs and violence (ISEEP). These are just a few notes from ISEEP and things we already know regarding psychotropic drug use and certain related crimes: This news is not new. Although there is obviously more than one issue, including mental health issues, it would appear that there is a possibility that at least in some of those cases, psychiatric medications perhaps had some influence on the chain of events leading up to the shootings. We don’t know that for sure. We do, however, know that some of those drugs have caused problems with violence and suicide in the past; we have known that for a while. Every once in a while there will be mention of such; then you don’t hear much else about it (Breggin, 2013). This issue has not generated a whole lot of discussion or research. Perhaps you could post actual some facts from a reputable source that back up your ludicrous claims instead of pulling opinions out of your ass. That's the problem, there are no official studies regarding the drug and alcohol content of every criminal upon arrest. If LE or the Feds forced blood draws at arrest, to conduct such a study, your head would explode and you'd say the word "nazi" about 3,000 times in a 3,025 word post. I've conducted my own study. I've arrested thousands of people... and about 85% of them had weed, smoked weed or we're currently high on weed. You are a flaming fool to not at least acknowledge that most of these active gunman killers sucked weed into their lungs A LOT. There are patterns that you see if you actually have the life experiences dealing with criminals. About 97% smoked cigarettes. Just one more observation Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
How many mass shooters have you arrested Barney? You are comparing apples to oranges. And I really doubt that you are telling the truth anyways. If LE or the Feds forced blood draws at arrest..... Looking forward to that, are you jack-boot?
Aren't mass shooters part of our general society? Wasn't Roof arrested twice, by local LE on minor charges in the last few years? You don't think local LE wasn't familiar with the tool? Just because I've never arrested a mass murder doesn't make a mass murder and different than most murders... and I have experience with them. Suck it up. I have something no other poster has... experience with criminals. I've dealt with all levels of criminals from stealing a pack of gum to killing their wives, children and neighbors. I've interviewed them, removed EVERY ITEM FROM THEIR POCKETS, PURSES AND BACKPACKS. I've searched their cars, homes and homeless camping spaces. I know what the AVERAGE CRIMINAL does. I've even spent two years as a co-evidence custodian. I had the pleasure of seeing EVERY piece of evidence collected from my department. I know how many times I had to process marijuana, prescription drugs and marihuana pipes, grinders and scales from people arrested on other than drug charges. Don't be a fool. Most people with any kind of criminal history, under the age of 40 smokes weed. I could give a shit if you agree or not... you haven't the real life experiences to ever know any better. Just the bullshit you read and post. The real question is, besides your own arrests, how many arrests have you been involved in, McVeigh? Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You've managed to draw this post well off topic. I'm going back to ignoring your YELLA posting. Back on topic... a basement study about mass killers and antidepressants would be interesting because I'm sure a high percentage of them (if not all) were on some form of sheep altering drug... HOWEVER, unless that study is conducted with the effects of how weed, synthetic weed and other illegal drugs change the effects, dangerously, with prescription antidepressants... then the study would be fruitless. Fact is, most people sheep enough to swallow Zoloft because their weak and sad (pass the tissues), also use illegal drugs. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I think we all remember that one,including Grand Island,who is probably embarrassed by it. Just because he still follows the "company line" when it comes to "killer weed" that doesn't mean he would have acted that way if he had been a cop at Columbine. Lets not forget that lots of cops really do risk their lives every day to protect the public from genuine danger,instead of cowering like the cops at Columbine. And you are spot on target about the drugs prescribed by witch doctors to genuine mental cases as well as more than a few patients who were just having a bad day and sent to him or her by their parents,the school,or some judge. IMHO,oftentimes it is the regular dosages of these prescription drugs that creates the monster that comes out to play. Partly because a large part of the process involves convincing the patient that nothing he or she has done is their fault,but due to a chemical unbalance they are are going to "handle" with drug treatment. The drugs turn them into mindless zombies,and then the real trouble starts. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I'm betting that almost all of them also ate meals at fast food restaurants,and went to public school. Did those meals and those schools cause them to commit crimes? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
That "don't be a fool" advise applies to you,too. Most people under SIXTY that smoke weed HAVEN'T committed any crimes other than possession or smoking weed. Using your statistical logic,wouldn't it also be safe to say that going to school causes crime because everybody you have ever arrested spent years going to school? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I remember it... and why would I be embarrassed by it? I had nothing to do with that incident. The fact was, that department was following their policies and procedures and training. Most departments, while dealing with an armed barricaded subject, will contain the incident and wait for a tactile team. That was the training and mindset back then. Do I agree with it? No. Now, the new training is to seek and destroy an active shooter, IMMEDIATELY, upon arrival. That's more my style... kill the armed criminal QUICK... and listen to you and Deckard cry that cops are trigger happy. lol Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Being forced to go to school until the age of adult is the same as willingly breaking the law and smoking weed? Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You're correct - I'm sure the vast majority of posters here have never drawn a salary while working for a criminal enterprise like you have. Why do you feel the need to brag about it? "Officer Safety" uber alles, you know. Did those meals and those schools cause them to commit crimes? I'm betting that 99% of all incarcerated shitbags ate at McDonalds or other fast foods... and so does most people that have never been arrested. Fast food consumption would only be relevant to a statistical study of fat people... not killers. What's your point? Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
OK,thanks for the correction. I expected more from you,but I guess "company line" is all there is.. If I were a cop,I'd damn sure be embarrassed by seeing fellow cops cower behind cars,buildings,and bulletproof vests while innocents were being murdered. That was the training and mindset back then. As good an excuse for cowardice as there is,I guess. As long as cops follow that mindset,don't expect the public to do anything but puke when you start the whining about how dangerous your job is and how you risk your lives to serve the public. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Being forced to go to school until the age of adult is the same as willingly breaking the law and smoking weed? Following your logic/train of thought,yes,it is. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
"Officer Safety" uber alles, you know. And here I was thinking that cops had been hired by citizens to take these risks,and that's what they were paid for. Better to just take THEIR guns away and let them play traffic cops and babysitters,and go back to armed citizens stopping violent crime. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I think it is hilarious that you don't see it Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Do you remember me posting I didn't agree with P&P's back then regarding active shooters? Grandisland ~ "That was the training and mindset back then. Do I agree with it? NO" Or do you just like hearing how tough you are and the rest of the world is a pussy. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Yes,that's why I thought you would be embarrassed by it happening. Or do you just like hearing how tough you are and the rest of the world is a pussy. I don't claim to be tough,but I damn sure wouldn't stand aside and quote department policy while innocent unarmed people were being murdered close enough I could hear the shots. "iz no my yob,man!" doesn't cut it for cops. Protecting the public is why you are hired. If all you are going to do is protect yourself (and department policy by extension),you need to be a security guard in private service. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You want me to just make shit up you'd rather hear? I'm telling you REALITY. Those officers and all officers around the country for years and years prior to columbine, were trained to contain an armed barricaded threat AND WAIT FOR A TACTICAL UNIT. That philosophy had worked up until the big lawsuit era... and it was the huge lawsuit that changed the way LE looks at armed active threats like we do today. Of course departments aren't gonna take well being called pussies and losing a multi million dollar lawsuit... so Columbine gave more reason than ever to train officers to hunt threats faster and provide the need for all that military equipment you hate them having. You reap what you sow, Petey. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
In other words,hide behind barricades and punk out instead of doing the job they were hired to do. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
They were following policies, orders and training they had received. Here's the good news.... Officers now are trained to seek and destroy... and now have better equipment at their immediate disposal. That should make you and Deckard excited with glee When I started in 1994, I had a revolver and the ammo on my belt (18 rounds) and a bottle of pepper spray. By the time I retired, officers had a Glock 22 with over 100 rounds and their disposal, a back up weapon, taser, 870 shotgun in car and an AR with a few hundred rounds of loaded mags in the car and patrol bags. Officer even carry personal AR's too in their trunks. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
That's an interesting transformation of weaponry over the past 20 years. I still like those two guys on Dragnet. Plain clothes and a badge.
Thanks Deck, that is what I was looking for. Non Christians want to disarm that's fine, but i will do everything in my very limited power to see that Christian men never give up their guns and never let doctors decide what drugs their kids will use. Thanks again.
Thanks AKA, that's good enough for me.
Pretty poor choice of words. Or at least ill-defined. Seek and destroy WHO? If it is dangerous criminals involved in the act of killing innocent people I do approve of the act,but disapprove of the fact you think it is necessary to train them to do what men should do by instinct. and now have better equipment at their immediate disposal. Whoopee! We all know that it is the equipment that makes the man,right? Remember the song lyrics "I can see by your outfit that you are a cowboy...." If I buy a cowboy outfit can I be a cowboy,too? That should make you and Deckard excited with glee I can't speak for Deckard,but it makes me pretty happy to think that policemen might actually be performing like policemen,and protecting the weak and the innocent. Even if they have to play "dress up" to get into the right spirit. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Especially when you consider that a Texas Ranger in the 1800's used to patrol an are of 100 square miles on so by himself on horseback,armed only with a 6 shot revolver and a lever action rifle. And these were badlands where everybody was armed,and he was the only law officer for miles. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
nolu chan would be the one to ask. Or me. But I think it would be a waste of time since you're looking at correlation, not causation. I agree with misterwhite that this information would show correlation and not establish cause and effect. It would be "only" dozens of mass shooters. Compare to thousands of veterans exposed to Agent Orange and later depleted uranium, and various chemical agents as the agents were blown up or burned up. Thousands of them later exhibited cancers and illnesses in atypical numbers. Awarding of veterans benefits relies on establishing the illness is a direct result of military service. Proving the cause and effect is elusive, just as it was for smoking tobacco and cancer. Obtaining reliable data means verifying each piece of data comes from a reliable source. With medical data, that may be difficult. This is another complication in establishing cause and effect. It is unlikely that a study yielding useful and meaningful results would be an "informal little study." An informal little study is more likely to result in reasonable conjecture.
We had this thread a few days back. It didn't include WND's list so I reformatted and posted those to the thread.
Thanks. I appreciate it.
"I consider the three of you the best researchers"
#5. To: BobCeleste (#2)
Can I trust him?
#6. To: misterwhite (#4)
(Edited)
Deckard might be the most diligent searcher for anti-law and order stories, but he researches nothing -- as evidenced by all the posts shredding his posted articles.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#7. To: misterwhite (#4)
#8. To: misterwhite (#6)
Get over yourself, fascist boy.
#9. To: BobCeleste (#0)
Can either of you guys please list all the 'mass' shooters who were on prescribed drugs
#10. To: GrandIsland (#7)
You'd have to be foolish to not realize at least 85% of these killers smoked weed like they were the descendents of Cheech & Chong.
#11. To: Vinny, Grand Island (#9)
Can either of you guys please list all the 'mass' shooters who were on prescribed drugs
#12. To: sneakypete (#10)
This is your knee-jerk reaction to justify a career spent arresting people and having them put into prison for what amounts to nothing.
#13. To: GrandIsland (#12)
I'm simply making a very reasonable statement that most turds do smoke weed and weed does alter the effects of anti depressants. Bob's backyard scientific study might end up a nightmare for the pro weed crowd... if a real scientific study was conducted.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#14. To: GrandIsland (#7)
You'd have to be foolish to not realize at least 85% of these killers smoked weed like they were the descendents of Cheech & Chong.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#15. To: Deckard (#14)
(Edited)
#16. To: GrandIsland (#15)
(Edited)
I've conducted my own study. I've arrested thousands of people... and about 85% of them had weed, smoked weed or we're currently high on weed.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#17. To: Gatlin (#8)
"Yea, you DESPICABLE fascist boy!"
#18. To: Deckard (#16)
(Edited)
How many mass shooters have you arrested Barney?
#19. To: Deckard (#16)
(Edited)
#20. To: Deckard, Grand Island (#13)
(You remember Columbine, don't you sparky...where the cops cowered behind threes while the kids inside the school were being gunned down?)
#21. To: GrandIsland (#15)
I've conducted my own study. I've arrested thousands of people... and about 85% of them had weed, smoked weed or we're currently high on weed. You are a flaming fool to not at least acknowledge that most of these active gunman killers sucked weed into their lungs A LOT.
#22. To: GrandIsland (#18)
Don't be a fool. Most people with any kind of criminal history, under the age of 40 smokes weed.
#23. To: sneakypete (#20)
I think we all remember that one,including Grand Island,who is probably embarrassed by it.
#24. To: sneakypete (#22)
Using your statistical logic,wouldn't it also be safe to say that going to school causes crime because everybody you have ever arrested spent years going to school?
#25. To: GrandIsland (#18)
I have something no other poster has... experience with criminals.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#26. To: GrandIsland, sneakypete (#23)
The fact was, that department was following their policies and procedures and training.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#27. To: sneakypete (#21)
I'm betting that almost all of them also ate meals at fast food restaurants,and went to public school.
#28. To: GrandIsland (#23)
I remember it... and why would I be embarrassed by it? I had nothing to do with that incident. The fact was, that department was following their policies and procedures and training. Most departments, while dealing with an armed barricaded subject, will contain the incident and wait for a tactile team. That was the training and mindset back then.
#29. To: GrandIsland (#24)
Using your statistical logic,wouldn't it also be safe to say that going to school causes crime because everybody you have ever arrested spent years going to school?
#30. To: Deckard, Grand Island (#26)
The fact was, that department was following their policies and procedures and training.
#31. To: GrandIsland (#27)
I'm betting that 99% of all incarcerated shitbags ate at McDonalds or other fast foods... and so does most people that have never been arrested. Fast food consumption would only be relevant to a statistical study of fat people... not killers. What's your point?
#32. To: sneakypete (#28)
(Edited)
As long as cops follow that mindset,don't expect the public to do anything but puke when you start the whining about how dangerous your job is and how you risk your lives to serve the public.
#33. To: GrandIsland (#32)
(Edited)
Do you remember me posting I didn't agree with P&P's back then regarding active shooters?
#34. To: sneakypete (#33)
I don't claim to be tough,but I damn sure wouldn't stand aside and quote department policy while innocent unarmed people were being murdered close enough I could hear the shots.
#35. To: GrandIsland (#34)
Those officers and all officers around the country for years and years prior to columbine, were trained to contain an armed barricaded threat AND WAIT FOR A TACTICAL UNIT.
#36. To: sneakypete (#35)
In other words,hide behind barricades and punk out instead of doing the job they were hired to do.
#37. To: GrandIsland (#36)
#38. To: Deckard (#3)
#39. To: A K A Stone (#5)
#40. To: GrandIsland (#36)
Here's the good news.... Officers now are trained to seek and destroy...
#41. To: Fred Mertz (#37)
That's an interesting transformation of weaponry over the past 20 years.
#42. To: misterwhite, BobCeleste, A K A Stone, GrandIsland, Deckard (#4)
[misterwhite #4] Deckard might be the most diligent searcher for anti-law and order stories, but he researches nothing -- as evidenced by all the posts shredding his posted articles.
[GrandIsland #7] Bob's little informal study is most likely a waste if time without also researching how many of these killers also had an illegal substance mixed with their prescribed antidepressants.
#43. To: BobCeleste (#0)
#44. To: TooConservative (#43)
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