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Title: Rand Paul to GOP: It's Time to Move Beyond the Second Amendment
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URL Source: http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016 ... -the-second-amendment-20150618
Published: Jun 18, 2015
Author: EMMA ROLLER
Post Date: 2015-06-18 22:24:58 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 7450
Comments: 56

June 18, 2015 Sen. Rand Paul took a risk Thursday. Speaking to an audience of religious conservatives in the wake of a racially charged shooting in South Carolina, Paul delicately suggested that Republicans might want to start focusing on other parts of the Bill of Rights than the Second Amendment.

"Everybody is for the Second Amendment. All 55 candidates running for president are for the Second Amendment—on our side," Paul told the crowd. "But the thing is that a lot of young people, that might not be their primary issue."

Leaving room, even rhetorical room, to one's right—particularly on an issue as important to the Republican base as gun rights—is a gamble in the crowded 2016 GOP primary. But it's one very much in keeping with the Kentucky senator's campaign of almost-gonzo optimism, and it's the type of decision backed by Paul's personal conviction that his libertarian philosophy can unite traditional Republican voters with more independent-minded young people and minorities.

Speaking at the Faith and Freedom Coalition summit, Paul's remarks also mentioned the Wednesday night shooting that killed nine black church congregants in Charleston, South Carolina.

"We had the shooting this morning in South Carolina. What kind of person goes in a church and shoots nine people? There's a sickness in our country. There's something terribly wrong, but it isn't going to be fixed by your government. It's people straying away, it's people not understanding where salvation comes from. And I think that if we understand that, we'll understand and have better expectations of what we get from our government."

Paul's discussion of the Second Amendment was only a snippet of a longer and broader speech, much of which focused on religious liberty and, in particular, Paul's efforts to defend Christians overseas. He touted an amendment in which he proposed to cut off foreign aid to countries that persecute Christians, and said it was a sign of Washington's disconnect from the country that it was voted down in committee by a wide margin.

The speech was sandwiched in between those of his Senate colleagues and fellow presidential contenders, Marco Rubio (who did not mention the Charleston shooting in his speech) and Ted Cruz (who spoke of the event and began his remarks with a moment of silence). As part of his quest to distinguish himself from his GOP competitors while not alienating base voters, Paul emphasized his record of visiting black communities in Washington, Baltimore, and Chicago.

Polling suggests Paul's gauge of young people's enthusiasm about guns is accurate. A 2013 Pew poll found that just 16 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds own a gun, compared to 24 percent of the total population. A 2013 Harvard University study found that young people are split in their opinion about the National Rifle Association.

But young people don't tend to vote in the Republican presidential primaries. At one point in the 2012 election, CBS found that white evangelicals made up half of Republican primary and caucus voters.

And therein lies Paul's big challenge: He's trying to win the White House by reaching well past the Republican base, but if he can't win over enough of the party's base in the primary, his general election aspirations will be over long before they ever begin.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0) (Edited)

Rand Paul took a risk Thursday. Speaking to an audience of religious conservatives in the wake of a racially charged shooting in South Carolina, Paul delicately suggested that Republicans might want to start focusing on other parts of the Bill of Rights than the Second Amendment.

He's right. --- The defending of ALL of the bill of rights should be on every candidates platform..

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-18   22:35:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)

but if he can't win over enough of the party's base in the primary, his general election aspirations will be over long before they ever begin.

What I've been saying as far back as LP. A concept his daddy never understood.

Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-06-18   22:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Paul's remarks also mentioned the Wednesday night shooting that killed nine black church congregants in Charleston, South Carolina.

Look at the wednesday night shooting as one white man's version of the knock-out game that has become a sport among black punks.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-18   22:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GrandIsland (#2)

if he can't win over enough of the party's base in the primary, his general election aspirations will be over long before they ever begin.

What I've been saying as far back as LP --- grandisland

Rand will sink or swim with his performance in the debates. --- I'd predict he'll do well enough to be a serious contender, -- for VP.

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-18   22:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: tpaine (#4)

Trump/Paul?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-18   22:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Trump will self destruct. My money I'll be on one of the rational republican governors, -- which rules out Bush...

tpaine  posted on  2015-06-18   22:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Rand Paul to GOP: It's Time to Move Beyond the Second Amendment

It's Time to Move Beyond Either of the Pauls.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-18   23:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: rlk (#3)

Look at the wednesday night shooting as one white man's version of the knock-out game that has become a sport among black punks.

I don't want to look at it that way. That is a twisted dark way to look at it.

The murderer should be put to death.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-18   23:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: rlk (#7)

It's Time to Move Beyond Either of the Pauls.

Rand Paul has many good qualities. He is soft on social issues though. That is his negative to me.

Lately he also panders a bit.

I haven't ruled him out.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-18   23:25:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: tpaine (#6)

Paul is already self-destructing.

Don  posted on  2015-06-18   23:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Don (#10)

Paul is already self-destructing.

They all are except Trump so far.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-18   23:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#11)

I suspect the next election is fixed by now. The Dems will win again by agreement by the so-called GOP.

Don  posted on  2015-06-18   23:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#8) (Edited)

Look at the wednesday night shooting as one white man's version of the knock-out game that has become a sport among black punks.

I don't want to look at it that way. That is a twisted dark way to look at it.

The murderer should be put to death.

The murderer should be put to death.

And so should the black punk knock-out players and other punks along with Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and half the black "leadership" in the country. But you're too beaten down, intimidated, and compliant to face it or say it.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-18   23:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: rlk (#13)

And so should the black punk knock-out players and other punks along with Al Sharpton and half the black "leadership" in the country. But you're too beaten down, intimidated, and compliant to face it or say it.

Should running up and hitting someone carry the death penalty. Nah that is to harsh.

I don't think Al Sharpton should be put to death. As awful as he is.

Half the black leadershiup in this country is how many people? It sounds like a bunch. It also sounds crazy.

It's not that I'm beaten down. It's just what you propose isn't just.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-18   23:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

Congratulations. You made my point for me by your willingness to roll over and play dead.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-19   0:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: rlk (#15)

Yeah because I'm not for killing half the black leadership. For what?

You never told me how many. Are you afraid to tell me how many have to be killed?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-19   0:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#0)

And therein lies Paul's big challenge: He's trying to win the White House by reaching well past the Republican base, but if he can't win over enough of the party's base in the primary, his general election aspirations will be over long before they ever begin.

True enough.

Rand seems to be running a general election campaign in the primaries where he should be tossing more red meat to the party base.

I don't see which early state primary this could help him win.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-19   0:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Trump/Fiorina?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-19   0:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#16)

Yeah because I'm not for killing half the black leadership. For what?

For our survival. Otherwise you're going to have hundreds more of them traveling to organize more riots to support people like Big Brown's robbing a store and rouging up the store manager. The Farahkans and black troops standing with clubs at election sites to prevent white people from voting, need to be dealt with.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-19   4:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Gatlin (#18)

I don't remember what it is. But somewhere my mind is telling me I don't like the HP lady.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-19   7:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: TooConservative (#17)

Maybe he is just being honest. And he doesn't want to say things that people want to hear like typical politicians do.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-19   7:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: rlk (#19)

For our survival.

I see you are somewhat of a coward. Afraid to answer how many blacks you think need to be killed. Why is that?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-19   7:45:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#21) (Edited)

Maybe he is just being honest. And he doesn't want to say things that people want to hear like typical politicians do.

I'm almost starting to think that Rand believes he simply cannot win the 2016 GOP nomination so he is just running to keep his base happy and build his name recognition for 2020 or 2024.

His ground game is far less effective than I expected. His messaging is off-key. The last thing that moves any GOP primary voters to his column is the phrase "move beyond the Second Amendment". Very inartful, probably gained him no votes and may have lost him some votes.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-19   7:58:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#20)

I don't remember what it is. But somewhere my mind is telling me I don't like the HP lady.

I really know nothing about her, I just know who she is so far…..I am beginning to learn more.

I have seen a couple of shorts on TV where I find that she has a mouth and a brain….and uses both.

She is pro-life like and took Whoopi to task on that.

I found this interesting: Carly Fiorina: Don't underestimate Donald Trump.

I don’t think I can ever move her to be among my frontrunners for president, although I still maintain an objective search. She is looking good for VP. Which, as I stated in another post….is what I think she is really running for.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-06-19   8:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: rlk (#3)

"Look at the wednesday night shooting as one white man's version of the knock-out game that has become a sport among black punks."

The white man's "Knockout Game". That has a ring to it.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-06-19   8:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#20)

I don't remember what it is. But somewhere my mind is telling me I don't like the HP lady.

She started out as a secertary pounding a typewriter with no technical background. Fron there she affected a superficial dress and act for success mode that impressed the clucks. If I were to ask her how to bias a transister, she would probably reply with a defiant and pompous, "What difference that make?" Hewlett and Packard, on the other hand could "walk the halls" of their research and development facilities. With the deaths of Hewlett and Packard, her imperious manner combined with the affirmitive action trendyness of the day to put her in a CEO. She promptly and aggressively did away with the "HP way" fired tens of thousands of people as being, in her mind, non essential, resulting in an increase in short term profits at the expense of the future of the company. Then she strutted off to engage in politics.

She's all mouth with little real achievement.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-19   13:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#22) (Edited)

For our survival.

I see you are somewhat of a coward. Afraid to answer how many blacks you think need to be killed. Why is that?

I notice you cleverly manipulated my phrasing to suit your own purposes and assumed neither I nor anyone else would catch it.

The original context was: Yeah because I'm not for killing half the black leadership. For what?

For our survival. Otherwise you're going to have hundreds more of them traveling to organize more riots to support people like Big Brown's robbing a store and rouging up the store manager. The Farahkans and black troops standing with clubs at election sites to prevent white people from voting, need to be dealt with.

In answer to your question, I have no specific number. What I do realize is that it should be done as a matter of preventing black leasership from conducting an aggressive and highly successful campaign to impose subjugation of the white race to a type of oppressive punative black Marxist counterculture and insanity.

To hell with angry black authoritarianism.

It's apparent that you have already been subjugated into spineless compliance.

What I endorse is a program of sending anybody who doesn't like it here back to their area of origin with a check for $5,000 so they could live like potentates.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-19   14:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: All (#27)

The name of the game is to systematically intimidate and persecute white people, then steal what they have to support a psychotic black life style and call it economic equality and affirmative action. Use political means and if that doesn't work threaten them with violence. They'll cave in.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-19   15:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: rlk (#27) (Edited)

What I endorse is a program of sending anybody who doesn't like it here back to their area of origin with a check for $5,000 so they could live like potentates.

Black ancestry in the USA have been in the USA for centruies longer than most white people's ancestry. In some parts of the south they had a higher population than whites - so this is the black man's country on that criteria than it is the white man's.

Why don't you go back to Europe if you don't like that?

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-19   15:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: TooConservative (#23)

I'm almost starting to think that Rand believes he simply cannot win the 2016 GOP nomination so he is just running to keep his base happy and build his name recognition for 2020 or 2024.

There is a certain pleasure in telling the people in power they are assholes and worship false god even if it means you are targeted.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-19   15:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pericles, stoner (#29) (Edited)

Black ancestry in the USA have been in the USA for centruies longer than most white people's ancestry. In some parts of the south they had a higher population than whites - so this is the black man's country on that criteria than it is the white man's.

Time one's ancestors supposedly spent here means nothing if a person has no allegiance to the society, but in fact is in active contention with it and is determined to subvert or destroy it and its rational principles. It is not their country and they have no investment in it. That goes for everybody.

As a correlary: If, in numerous generations, they have not made any attempt to asasimilate as rational self supporting individuals, they should be viewed with suspicion.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-19   22:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: rlk (#31)

Time one's ancestors supposedly spent here means nothing if a person has no allegiance to the society, but in fact is in active contention with it and is determined to subvert or destroy it and its rational principles. It is not their country and they have no investment in it. That goes for everybody.

You mean the society that enslaved them and used their labor - which at one time was valued more than all the land value in the USA? That society? When did your ancestors get to the USA? 1920s? 1860s?

But you are going to kick them out? It's their country. Move back to Ireland or whatever. You would probably live longer and be healthier.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-20   0:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pericles, stoner (#32)

Time one's ancestors supposedly spent here means nothing if a person has no allegiance to the society, but in fact is in active contention with it and is determined to subvert or destroy it and its rational principles. It is not their country and they have no investment in it. That goes for everybody.

------------------------------

You mean the society that enslaved them and used their labor - which at one time was valued more than all the land value in the USA? That society? When did your ancestors get to the USA? 1920s? 1860s?

But you are going to kick them out? It's their country. Move back to Ireland or whatever.

You seem determined to press the point that ancestory licenses one to be a destructive or subversive force in this country by right of citizenship and some kind of inherent ownership. In other words it entitles one to be a thug using political means or various threats of violence. It does nothing of the kind. The only thing it conferrs is the right to conduct your personal life in a manner that adheres to rational and reasonable amount of prudence and foresight with honor according to the standards of the culture and to be self supporting in a way that makes a contribution to sustaining society. People who do not conform in that regard are not realistically to be classified as citizens, but are merely overtolerated inhabitants, social sponges, and aggressive parasites the most vocal of whom become movement founders or leaders. America is becoming strangled by them. Send them them the hell out.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-20   23:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: rlk (#33)

You seem determined to press the point that ancestory licenses one to be a destructive or subversive force in this country by right of citizenship and some kind of inherent ownership.

So the whites that genocided the Indians and enslaved millions of blacks can be considered subversive and destructive then.

That fought a Civil War that killed more Americans than Hitler killed? Those peace loving whites? The ones that bomb other nations who never attacked the USA?

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-20   23:51:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Pericles (#34)

So the whites that genocided the Indians

I believe that you said you are a christian. What did the book of Deuteronomy promise would happen to people that lived as the indians lived.

White anglo saxon culture is superior to most if not all cultures.

I'm ethnocentric and it is a good trait.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-20   23:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#35)

White anglo saxon culture is superior to most if not all cultures.

LOL!

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-21   0:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#35)

White anglo saxon culture is superior to most if not all cultures.

LOL! Then why does Washington look like Rome or Athens? And why was Jesus not English? Also, ask the Welsh or Irish.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-21   0:22:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pericles (#36)

People who laugh at the truth amuse me.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-21   0:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Pericles (#37)

why was Jesus not English?

Because he was a Jew.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-21   0:25:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#38)

Sorry, I don't share your Anglo-Saxon superiority complex. Neither do the Irish, Welsh, Scots or most humans.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-21   0:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Pericles (#40)

I'm Irish/German/Cherokee and who knows what else.

In fairness I did say most if not all. Because I don't know everything about every culture.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-21   0:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Pericles (#40)

Sorry, I don't share your Anglo-Saxon superiority complex

I don't consider myself superior. I do consider what was our culture to be superior.

I'm ethnocentric and proud of it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-21   0:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#42)

I'm ethnocentric and proud of it.

As you should be. But I still don't get how a Republican can support secessionists.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-21   0:36:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Pericles (#43)

As you should be. But I still don't get how a Republican can support secessionists.

I'm actually an Independent. I usually vote Republican but not always.

Not for the globalist R's.

Secession is a right. I don't understand why you don't support the declaration of independence.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-21   0:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone (#44)

As you should be. But I still don't get how a Republican can support secessionists.

I'm actually an Independent. I usually vote Republican but not always.

Then you are not the one I am directing the question to. Why should any Republican show allegiance to the confederate flag?

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-21   2:33:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Pericles (#34)

All that verbose garbage to support the contention that the leadership of people like Jessee Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Fharakahn is tolerable to maintenance of a rational society?

rlk  posted on  2015-06-21   3:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: rlk (#46)

All that verbose garbage to support the contention that the leadership of people like Jessee Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Fharakahn is tolerable to maintenance of a rational society?

Yet it was white Clinton and white Bush that invaded Iraq and fucked America up in many ways unlike those blacks you mentioned.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-21   3:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Pericles (#47) (Edited)

Yet it was white Clinton and white Bush that invaded Iraq and fucked America up in many ways unlike those blacks you mentioned.

I have no reservations about booting them out also, for the reasons given. Look at it as cultural purification.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-21   4:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: All (#48)

Yet it was white Clinton and white Bush that invaded Iraq and fucked America up in many ways unlike those blacks you mentioned.

I have no reservations about booting them out also, for the reasons given. Look at it as cultural purification.

If this country ever matures to the point where the population no longer acts like third graders influenced by star power and the noise of brass bands, people such as Clintons, the Bushs, the peanut farmer, the Kennedys, most of the array of people in congress and those presently running for president will be looked upon as detestable undesirables.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-21   10:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Pericles (#47)

It is the blace President who changed sides and now supports Iran and all of our enemies.

Obama should be waterboarded until he confesses all of his sins.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-21   11:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Pericles (#45)

Freedom.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-21   11:01:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#50)

Obama should be waterboarded until he confesses all of his sins.

And then sent back to Kenya.

rlk  posted on  2015-06-21   11:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: rlk (#52)

It would just be easier to throw him under a high speed rail train.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-21   11:10:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#50)

It is the blace President who changed sides and now supports Iran and all of our enemies.

Obama should be waterboarded until he confesses all of his sins.

Better Iran as an ally than Saudi Arabia.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-21   11:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Pericles (#54)

Better Iran as an ally than Saudi Arabia

They both suck. Iran more so.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-21   11:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone (#55)

Better Iran as an ally than Saudi Arabia They both suck. Iran more so.

No, Iran sucks less.

Pericles  posted on  2015-06-21   15:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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