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Title: Bible Teaching Could Soon Become A Crime With 'Anti-Extremism Banning Orders'
Source: Prophecy News Watch Newsletter
URL Source: http://www.prophecynewswatch.com
Published: Jun 18, 2015
Author: JOHN BINGHAM
Post Date: 2015-06-18 13:43:47 by Don
Keywords: Anti-Christian
Views: 1179
Comments: 14

Bible Teaching Could Soon Become A Crime With 'Anti-Extremism Banning Orders'

June 18, 2015 | JOHN BINGHAM Share this article

Traditional Christian teaching could effectively be "criminalized" in some settings in Britain under David Cameron's plans for new anti-extremist banning orders, a top Anglican theologian and former Parliamentary draftsman has warned.

The Rev. Dr. Mike Ovey, a former lawyer and now principal of Oak Hill Theological College in London, a training school for Church of England clergy, said proposals for new "Extremism Disruption Orders" could be a "disaster area" for people from all the mainstream religions and none.

Mr. Cameron and Theresa May have signalled that the new orders, planned as part of the Government's Counter-Extremism Bill, would not curb the activities of radical Islamist clerics but the promotion of other views deemed to go against "British values" even if it is nonviolent and legal.

Ministers have defined British values in the past as including broad notions like democracy, tolerance and the rule of law.

In a speech last month Mr. Cameron said that for too long Britain had been a "passively tolerant society" in which people were told "as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone."

Dr. Ovey warned that unless the criteria are tightly defined, the orders could be used against almost anyone and would have a "chilling effect" on preachers and even call into question the curriculum of colleges such as his.

Even basic Christian tenets, such as the belief that Jesus is the Son of God, could be deemed to be offensive to other religions and branded un-British, he said.

It would also be easy to argue that there was a "clear trajectory" between, for example, teaching mainstream Christian ideas about subjects such as abortion and the actions of violent end-abortion groups, he added.

"It Doesn't Work"

Dr. Ovey, who worked as a parliamentary draftsman in the 1980s when anti-terror legislation to deal with the IRA threat was being framed, said: "They are going to say this is far-fetched and will never happen.

"That is essentially a government saying, 'Trust us with your civil liberties.'

"I would say frankly human experience tells us the last thing you ever want to do is trust a government with your civil liberties."

"The government is going around saying it is all a time of national emergency.

"I think I want to say we have been there before and got the T-shirt. It doesn't work."

It follows a series of recent cases of Christian street preachers being arrested by overzealous police after complaints by people who claimed their traditionalist message was homophobic or condemnatory.

His comments came as alliance free-speech campaigners, including faith groups and atheists, prepare to launch a new campaign against the plan.

Last week Lord Blencathra, the Conservative peer, told the Lords that the orders could open the door to "idiot police forces arresting a couple of ladies from the WI and a traditionalist Church of England vicar who has said something radical—for example, that he actually believes in God."

"But where do the problems really lie?" he said.

"Do we have Buddhist suicide bombers? Are there Free Presbyterians beheading Roman Catholics in Benbecula? Are there jihadi Jehovah's Witnesses? Of course not, so who then deserves to be caught in this wide net of extremists?"

"A Disaster Area"

Dr. Ovey added: "We don't know what British values are other than whatever Theresa May decides on the particular Monday when she wakes up and has to make one of these orders.

"Having an inclusive definition is hopeless from a legal point of view."

He went on: "Is a police officer going to listen to me saying that Jesus is the only way in a Muslim part of the East End?

"There is always the argument that it will be OK on the night, yes you might be arrested but you will be released—but there is always the thought that you won't be.

"The thing with a law like this is that there are going to be some people saying, 'I'm not going to run the risk,' and someone like me who is going to run the risk is going to look more extreme.

"As a lawyer I think it is a disaster area and as a Christian believer and teacher I think it is a disaster area.

"There has got be a better way to do it."

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#1. To: Don, TooConservative, liberator, CZ82, tomder55, GarySpFc (#0)

Even basic Christian tenets, such as the belief that Jesus is the Son of God, could be deemed to be offensive to other religions and branded un-British, he said.

Don't see 'how' they would overcome the fact that the Church of England is the established religion of United Kingdom of Great Britain.

They would have to do some heavy editing of their Church of England Catechism.

The Church of England Catechism

And one such affirmation of faith is the following:

I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth: And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, Born of the Virgin Mary, Suffered under Pontius Pilate, Was crucified, dead, and buried: He descended into hell; The third day he rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, And sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Ghost; The holy Catholick Church; The Communion of Saints; The Forgiveness of sins; The Resurrection of the body, And the life everlasting. Amen.

And the Queen/King historically are defenders of the faith. Either they dismiss the established church or amend the catechism. Don't see either scenario anytime soon. But who knows.

The government can do what they have been doing in the UK. Forbid or outlaw any speech they seem to deem as 'hate speech' towards gays and opposition to government laws as in abortion. We have seen some of those articles coming out of the UK for some time now.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-18   14:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: redleghunter (#1)

I was stationed in the UK for three years in the 1980s. I enjoyed the people and the nation as a whole. They are losing it now on so many levels. Oh well, the U.S. Is going the same way.

Don  posted on  2015-06-18   17:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Don (#2)

Where were you stationed, I was at Wethersfield.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-18   18:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: CZ82 (#3)

I was stationed at RAF Greenham Common, just outside of Newbury.

Don  posted on  2015-06-18   20:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Don, redleghunter (#4)

I was stationed at RAF Greenham Common, just outside of Newbury.

I went down there in 81 with a couple of other guys to do a survey of the aircraft hardstands. Why we were doing this we were never sure because that should have been done back in 76 or 77 when they were thinking of using Greenham Common as a tanker base to supplement Mildenhall. Oh well it was a nice easy 5 day TDY just had to stay away from the cruise missile protesters at the front gate. :)

Speaking of protesters we even had a band of them (15-20 sleeping in tents) up at Wethersfield. We told them it would only be deployed at Greenham Common but they didn't seem to care they stayed. LOL...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-19   1:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Don, ALL (#2)

I was stationed in the UK for three years in the 1980s. I enjoyed the people and the nation as a whole. They are losing it now on so many levels. Oh well, the U.S. Is going the same way.

The church in America isn't dying. The Lord is simply purging out the sludge.

And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-21   0:36:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: CZ82 (#5)

The peace women had nothing to do anyway. I think they just enjoyed the whole scenario.

Don  posted on  2015-06-28   7:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: GarySpFC (#6)

The Church will never die. That is an impossibility.

Don  posted on  2015-06-28   7:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Don (#7)

We used to see them in a pub down in Finchingfield at lunchtime and they never wanted to talk about the missles just asked questions about the US. I wouldn't be afraid to say a lot of them wanted to get hooked up with a GI so they could get over to the USA and away from England.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-28   9:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Don (#8)

But there will be a falling away. There will be a remnant of true Christians.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-06-28   9:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: CZ82 (#9)

One of them began coming to the Bible study in our home.

Don  posted on  2015-06-28   10:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#10)

The Bible does say there will be a falling away, but not all, that is true. We haven't yet seen the full extent of the evil of our time. I will be happy when this insanity comes to an end.

Don  posted on  2015-06-28   10:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Don (#12)

" We haven't yet seen the full extent of the evil of our time. I will be happy when this insanity comes to an end. "

Yes, we have not seen the worst of it yet. Like you, most of us want it to end. The big question is, how can we end the insanity?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-06-28   10:55:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Stoner (#13)

These times are the working out of God's plans for the end of Satan's rule over the affairs of a fallen world. While very unpleasant, these times will end in the events of the last days. I don't think we have much longer until Christ's Return. We will see.

Don  posted on  2015-06-28   12:15:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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