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Title: Pope Francis warns of destruction of Earth's ecosystem in leaked encyclical
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The Guardian
URL Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/20 ... on-ecosystem-leaked-encyclical
Published: Jun 16, 2015
Author: Stephanie Kirchgaessner & John Hooper
Post Date: 2015-06-16 14:37:17 by redleghunter
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Pope Francis will this week call for changes in lifestyles and energy consumption to avert the “unprecedented destruction of the ecosystem” before the end of this century, according to a leaked draft of a papal encyclical. In a document released by an Italian magazine on Monday, the pontiff will warn that failure to act would have “grave consequences for all of us”. Francis also called for a new global political authority tasked with “tackling … the reduction of pollution and the development of poor countries and regions”. His appeal echoed that of his predecessor, pope Benedict XVI, who in a 2009 encyclical proposed a kind of super-UN to deal with the world’s economic problems and injustices. According to the lengthy draft, which was obtained and published by L’Espresso magazine, the Argentinean pope will align himself with the environmental movement and its objectives. While accepting that there may be some natural causes of global warming, the pope will also state that climate change is mostly a man-made problem. Poster Comment: NWO Pope....
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And some people wonder why most politicians are Catholic! LOL... “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
The popes believe that the condition of primitive societies celebrating living at the same conditions of stupidity and productivity as they did 8,000 years ago is somehow an economic injustice for which we all must be browbeaten into a condition of groveling kneeling neurotic guilt and subservience. Any society or people who have the gumption and genetic capability can advance their primitive culture 5,000+ years by buying intoductory texts at a high school or college level book store.
What? Please document you claim. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
What? Please document you claim. What CZ may mean by his statement is that the majority within the Dem Party and its leadership is rife with Catholics. And apparently so too are many Pubbies north of the Mason-Dixon line. Moreover, not ONE single Protestant on the US Supreme Court. DOCUMENTED. At least half of all Catholics are Dems, pro-abortion, and liberal. Yeah -- none of us like that kind of hypocrisy either, but then again, look at their so-called "leader," the Pope.
Yup. A NWO Pope. Duping millions of Roman Catholics. "Vicar of Christ"? NO WAY. Instead this liar is doing the work of the anti-Christ. Any Roman Catholic who continues to believe he's anything BUT is seriously delusional.
Has anyone else noticed? Algore seems to have fallen off the face of the earth - - just about the time this new pope arrived on the scene. Coincidence?
You said that quite eloquently, thank you. We've had this discussion before (especially about the judges) but don't remember if it was here or LP, SOSO must have missed it. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I've seen some reports that some libs at the Vatican released a few select quotes from a very preliminary draft of the encylical and they are daring the pope to contradict it much in the final document. This is, however, a convenient way to poll-test how far the pope can go in his craven pursuit of mass media approval. A truly lousy pope, all around.
LOL, those are mighty big mercury laden bulbs:)
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
McCain's major solution is to implement a cap-and-trade program on carbon-fuel emissions, like a similar program in the Clean Air Act that was used to reduce sulfur dioxide emissions that triggered acid rain. Industries would be given emission targets, and those coming in under their limit could sell their surplus polluting capacity to companies unable to meet their target. McCain wants the country to return to 2005 emission levels by 2012; 1990 levels by 2020; and to a level sixty percent below that by 2050. "As never before, the market would reward any person or company that seeks to invent, improve, or acquire alternatives to carbon-based energy," he said. "More likely, however, there will be some companies that need extra emissions rights, and they will be able to buy them. The system to meet these targets and timetables will give these companies extra time to adapt — and that is good economic policy." Now we know, the Pope is a Republican at heart. If Panamanian McCain can run for US president, why not the Argentine pontiff and the Canadian Cruz? Pope/Cruz 2016! McCain is a Republican? Didn't notice that. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
You don't get to be the GOP presidential candidate, without being a REAL Republican. You don't get to be Pope, without being a REAL Catholic. OK? You don't get to be Pope, without being a REAL Catholic. OK? So like the Pope you assert a self proclaimed infallibility on all matters? Were you speaking Ex cathedra? Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Cool! This Pope is gonna name names & kick ass! Some people march to a different drummer - and some people POLKA.
Obviously the Pope wasn't speaking Ex cathedra .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
You don't get to be Pope, without being a REAL Catholic. OK? It's a question, see that funny thing at the end? I don't do encyclicals. Do you disagree with my statements? Algore seems to have fallen off the face of the earth - - just about the time this new pope arrived on the scene. Coincidence? Pope Goracle I Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Actually you made two statements. The followed it up with an "OK?" asking if he agreed with you.
Do you disagree? If it's too embarrassing to admit that McCain and Romney are REAL Republicans, I understand. Now we know who wrote the scripted for the movie "NOAH"! OMG they only got the names and the flood right in that movie! Everything else was made up out of thin air! What a waste of resources that went into that movie! The pope should have been upset about the movie not "God's" global weather change!
Almost 60% of Congress is Protestant. There has only been one Catholic POTUS. You are correct about SCOTUS, it has six Catholics and three Jews. But SCOTUS is not an elected body, at least not directly so. About 92% of COngress is Christian. Catholics represent about 30% of the U.S. population, Pressies about 60%. Both Pressies and Catholics are slightly over represented in Congress vis-vis their respective makeup of the U.S. population. The only truly over represented religous group in Congress are Jews, with only about 2% of the U.S. population over 7% of Congress is Jewish. In general Jews are much more liberal and Dems than Catholics, Pressies generally more so as well. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Not even close my friend.
Sometimes I do disagree with your statements. You spend 95% of your posts telling us that all the GOP candidates are bunk; 4% of the time telling us the GOP is just like the Dims; and about a mere 1% of the time mentioning Obolo and the Clintoons and the other overt Marxists. Frankly it's the same strategy used over at DU and other leftist sites. Just saying... Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Did not waste my money on that movie. Another Hollyweird hack job. Yes indeed the Pope should know man did not create this world. We are subject to the laws established by our Creator. To think we have 'climate change' all figured out with about 100 years of data is insane. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
We waited till it came out on netflix. We still almost did not watch it. I had to see what all the bs was about. Really hate taking other peoples word for something. We all just laughed at the movie and the made up stuff in it. Im mean really, how hard would it have been to make a true to bible movie? They actually had to work harder to make stuff up then to stick to the truth!
That's the case with most of Hollyweird stuff. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
That's the case with most of Hollyweird stuff. Sad fact of progressives. They hate all that is good and natural.
Not even close my friend. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
They sure don't legislate according to their Christian ideals/worldview.
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
As I stated, the justices of the Supreme Court are not elected but appointed by elected representatives of We The People (POTUS propose, Congress disposes). In you opinion what accounts for the fact that SCOTUS does not have a single Protestant on the court? Are all the judges Democrats? Liberals?
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Think again my friend. That link doesn't mean squat. I'll just name off 40 congress people that aren't christian to prove you wrong. Or how about this. Every democrat that is in favor of abortion is not a christian. Only a fool would think that 92 percent of congress is saved.
They sure don't legislate according to their Christian ideals/worldview. You fail to realize that "THEY" are what pass for mainstream Christians these days and have a different view of the tenets of Christianity than you or I. I include the Pope in the current mainstream category. Christian traditionalism is all but dead save in small enclaves. The mainstream Christian, such as Pelosi, are much more secular in his morals, values and beliefs about God and Man. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
She isn't a christian. Give me a break.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Only a fool would think that 92 percent of congress is saved. You unilateally changed the discussion by introducing yor biases and beliefs. The fact is that over 90% of Congress identify themself as Christian. Only God knows just how Christian they are. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
See above about the fruit.
I think it is a fact that the Bible teaches that Wide is the way to death and narrow is the gate to life. I know for certain that congress isn't the exception and only 34 aren't saved. You're fooling yourself if you tell yourself otherwise. You're mistake is giving people the benefit of the doubt. A mistake.
The mainstream Christian, such as Pelosi She isn't a christian. Give me a break. De facto she is. She more closely represents the beliefs and lifestyle of the vast majority of self-avowed Christians, not only in the U.S. but around the globe. You may not like that but it is true. I would leave the judgment of who is and who is not a Christian up to God. Of course you are free to express your opinion on the matter but that would only be your opinion and not necessarily valid. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I haven't told myself, or you for that matter, anything other than over 90% of Congress self-identify as being Christian. That is a documented fact. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Oh I'm locked on to what's going on:) I threw that out there to get you spun up and come up with the comment you did above, which I agree with. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Algore seems to have fallen off the face of the earth - - just about the time this new pope arrived on the scene. Coincidence? It's also no coincidence that since the Agitator-in-Chief arrived on the scene that ALL institutional truth, logic, and sanity have been replaced by anti-truth, il-logic, and in-sanity run amok. AlGore has had no need to carry the "Global Warming" football any longer for the NWO. The Vatican's anti-Christ fraud and the Agitator-in-Chief do a much better job of matriculating the socialist, anti-capitalist, subversive football down the field.
You're welcome, sir. We've had this discussion before (especially about the judges) but don't remember if it was here or LP, SOSO must have missed it. I believe you're right about having discussed this subject matter. Perhaps SOSO wasn't privy to the discussion.
This is, however, a convenient way to poll-test how far the pope can go in his craven pursuit of mass media approval. "SOME" libs at the Vatican?? The entire palace including it miles of underground dungeons are crawling with liberal subversives. I'm not of the opinion that this Pope is being baited or cornered into contradictory positions, although I can see how his cadre of demonic manipulators are trying to portray the constant stream of "mis-statements" or "misunderstandings" as THE case. This Pope is FULLY on board OPERATION: SUBVERSION. I do concur -- not unlike 0blabla and *his* handlers -- that the Vatican's handlers are shoving the social activism/chaos envelope as far as possible to provide a gauge and degree of push-back (or lack thereof.) No one is "mad as hell and NOT gonna take it anymore." YET. Even as this Pope and 0blabla have long jumped the shark of credibility. In this age of media worship and instant "Thumbs-Up" -- from the Pope to the President...from one world "leader" to another -- there seems to be a craven demand for personal attention, power, and approval. And damn principle and virtue.
Were it that this Pope were merely "lousy." He's more "anti-Christ" than lousy. And yes, I am serious. (Has it ever been fully explained yet why THIS Pontiff suddenly replaced the former before his demise? OR are we all supposed to ignore *that* elephant in the room?)
HEH!
Go over to FR sometime and see what Catholics think of their own Pope. You know the Pope they are supposed to be obeying:) Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Come on, Hondo. Comparing McStain to Cruz is insane.
ARE they...ticked off?? REALLY??
Gotcha, Hondo. Lol
You don't get to be Pope, without being a REAL Catholic. OK? Well, in both cases you have a hijacking of the original item. The GOP is jacked. The Vatican hijacked Christ's Gospel AND good name ("Vicar of Christ"?? I don't think so. Never was.)
+1 Yup. This crusade of this Pope (and political hand-off from AlGore) is stranger than fiction.
OMG they only got the names and the flood right in that movie! Everything else was made up out of thin air! What a waste of resources that went into that movie! Clever observations :-) The pope should have been upset about the movie not "God's" global weather change! Proving that when you're an anti-Christ masquerading as "Pope," the fidelity of Scripture doesn't even register.
Unlike JP I who died within 30 days or so of his office, Benedict did not get the poison tea. I think the movie godfather III tried to link all the Vatican bankster stuff and the death of JP I. Or as in the movie we have this: Maybe Benedict knew the deal on that and avoided his evening tea and just stepped down. I could not find a good youtube link for the part of gF III where the Pope dies 'in his sleep.' Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Have you a source for your In-Name-Only stats? Listen -- ALL that matters is ALL that affect us is RIGHT NOW. As well as the decisions made by SCOTUS and this corrupt globalist-hijacked gubmint since 1965. NO real Christian has been part of those decisions to destroy this republic and run God out of Dodge. Can you tell me how in the world a nation whose majority identify as "Protestant" have ZERO Protestants out of NINE on SCOTUS?? Right -- SCOTUS is NOT an elected body but the only one of three bodies of government that aren't, but raqther assigned by the behind-the-scene POWER BROKERS and Puppetmeisters. About 92% of COngress is Christian. Catholics represent about 30% of the U.S. population, Pressies about 60%. Both Pressies and Catholics are slightly over represented in Congress vis-vis their respective makeup of the U.S. population. The only truly over represented religous group in Congress are Jews, with only about 2% of the U.S. population over 7% of Congress is Jewish. You know who's actually "over-represented"?? Socialists; "Catholics-IN-Name-Only"; Pro-Abortionists; Secular Humanist elites; Lesbo & Sodomites; Atheists; New Age freaks; and those who hate the USA and God.
Have you a source for your In-Name-Only stats? ping #29 потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
So...Pope Benny was made "an offer" he couldn't refuse. No cup of tea; No magic bullet aimed at the Pope-Mobile from a grassy knoll. Funny -- I never knew the position as "Vicar of Christ" was so closely related to the role of "Godfather" or JFK.
Scrolling in sequence...thanks.
Agree. There is NO way (even IF there are stats that support that "92%" number.) Actions speak louder than words.
I have no reasonable explanation for that other than perhaps by chance. "Right -- SCOTUS is NOT an elected body but the only one of three bodies of government that aren't, but raqther assigned by the behind-the-scene POWER BROKERS and Puppetmeisters." Are you saying that the U.S. is controlled by a cabal of Catholics and Jews? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Frankly it's the same strategy used over at DU and other leftist sites. Just saying... Ditto. On every observation you've made. I don't see Hondo launching any vigorous offensive against the Left. OR 0blabla. Instead he saves his salvos for Cruz. (Chyeah -- THAT'll save the Republic.)
Thank you, God. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I also agree with this assessment... It's 100% spot on. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Come on, SOSO -- "chance"?? Coincidence?? NO such thing exists at that level of influence and power. Are you saying that the U.S. is controlled by a cabal of Catholics and Jews? Yes, ostensibly -- although, these ghouls are "Catholic and Jews" IN NAME ONLY; The reality: They are Secular Humanists wearing masks. Moreover, these political allies (who join Atheists, New Agers, and Greens) have been allies of convenience with a shared agenda. Their goal (since post WWII) has ALWAYS been to remove fundamental Christianity (disciples of Sola Scriptura) and its tenets from positions of power in order to usher in their globalist One World Gvt.
Let me clarify; "There is NO way (even IF there are stats that support that "92%" number ARE "CHRISTIAN.") Now MY definition of "Christian" is probably NOT going to coincide with yours, SOSO.
Bible revisionism. And yet how many naive and well-intended fall for it? This stuff isn't Cecil B. DeMille; It's fouled contrived garbage belched out of the perverted boweled of militant homosexual, atheist Hollywood. Yes indeed the Pope should know man did not create this world. We are subject to the laws established by our Creator. To think we have 'climate change' all figured out with about 100 years of data is insane. Amen! THIS Pope is as much an authority on science -- as well as the word of God -- as 0blabla is an authority on the Constitution. Coincidence?? The day BOTH these frauds are dismissed is a blessed day.
Be mindful of THIS disclaimer noted by the polling company and "religion" statistics: So in other words, politicians most likely lie about their "religious affiliation " and pencil in "Christian" when they are NOT. No big surprise there.
No they don't. So are they lying to themselves? Their constituents? God? Or...ALL of us??
No, SC Justices are appointed by PRESIDENTS and their respective cabals and staffs based on nothing BUT shameless potential corruptible principles. Congress is then bribed, coerced, or otherwise shamed into approving said appointments. You're welcome.
Amen. On the position of abortion, its support provides a telling litmus test of "Christian/NON-Christian."
"Mainstream" Christianity is a compromised river of polluted Christianity diverted to Hell. Christian traditionalism is all but dead save in small enclaves. Agree.
I'm pretty sure we had the discussion before the 2014 elections so I know the numbers have changed somewhat, just not sure by how many. Just because someone claims to be Catholic, Baptist etc, etc, doesn't mean they actually are, most of them probably pick/say what they think their constituency will vote for. I remember that when you enlisted in the military and they asked you what religion you were and you didn't know or didn't care to share, you automatically became a PROTESTANT and that is what went on your Dog Tags!!! So I guess my question is would a truly religious person do the things our politicians do with legislation that only benefit themselves and their ambition for power??? (They're knowingly screwing their constituency/fellow man all so they can feel good about themselves). I was under the impression that the word of God meant you are supposed to act in a way that benefits everyone?? If this isn't true then there are a lot of people ignoring their faith by voting for these jokers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Bruce Jenner "identifies" as a "woman"; There's white NAACP leader who now "identifies" as "black." Suddenly down is up and wrong is right? Congress (as a group) is demonstratively un-"Christian." You unilateally changed the discussion by introducing yor biases and beliefs. "Biases and beliefs" based upon scriptural truths are what traditionally have guided us to discerned right from wrong in THIS country. Am I wrong? Now that the truth is blurred by personal "identification," and truth as well as "right and wrong" is now relative. No wonder this nation swirls us down the john like yesterday's morning deuce.
Just because someone claims to be Catholic, Baptist etc, etc, doesn't mean they actually are, most of them probably pick/say what they think their constituency will vote for. Yup, I think you're right on the content of that discussion. On the subject of "religious affiliation," it means NOTHING these days. Any "Christians" who voted for 0blabla, Klinton, or Pelosi are only kidding/lying to themselves. I remember that when you enlisted in the military and they asked you what religion you were and you didn't know or didn't care to share, you automatically became a PROTESTANT and that is what went on your Dog Tags!!! Hmmm....You've seen those crosses at the cemetery at Normandy? Naturally, you think, "Wow -- sooo many Christians!" Well...God only knows. I guess my question is would a truly religious person do the things our politicians do with legislation that only benefit themselves and their ambition for power??? Great, simple question and litmus test for integrity. Answer: NO. (They're knowingly screwing their constituency/fellow man all so they can feel good about themselves). I was under the impression that the word of God meant you are supposed to act in a way that benefits everyone?? Yep. demonstrate a "love of fellow man." NOT betrayal. But again -- since these days people shamelessly redefine reality, "good" can be redefined." This as they who lord over us sell us out in broad daylight. Arrogantly. Spitefully. WITH malice and dishonorably. (Now whether by 11:59 they've repented, again, God only knows.)
Like Obama, they're both foreign born and ineligible to be president of the US. At least McCain had two US citizen parents, whereas Rafael only had an American mother. Raffie Sr. didn't bother to become a US citizen until around 2005. He was in no hurry to renounce his allegiance to Fidel and the Communist party. Teddy Cruz is doubly ineligible like Obama, foreign parent and foreign born. Don't worry the Democrats don't give a damn about the Constitution either, so that old thing won't stop anyone from becoming president of this NWO banana republic. According to Hondopey, not the constitution. A Servicemember who is stationed overseas and has a kid. That kid isn't eligible to be President. But a wetback who comes here and squats a kid out. That kid is eligible in your twisted mind. According to the constitution. McCain is certainly eligible. His parents were both Americans you moron.
McCain's birth certificate says "Panama" because he was born there. Duhh! George Romney's BC says "Mexico" because he was born there, of two US citizen parents. Even the GOP wouldn't let him run for president in '68, Nixon won instead. Yawn. Hillary loves you.
I notice this as top item on Drudge now, suggesting a daft old commie pope in craven pursuit of the world's approval but with the wool getting pulled over his eyes by liberal cardinals at the Vatican.
Liberator asked a good question... why was the other Pope replaced while he's still alive? Something fishy, for sure.
That may have just been a convenient excuse. Remember,Romney is the guy that bankrupted American Motors. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
He claimed failing health and feeling unable to lead the church. It does happen, has happened many times in history. You notice he's not very visible these days outside a rare sighting at a mass. My guess is that he got an Alzheimers diagnoses and stepped down.
"Suddenly down is up and wrong is right?" {as a result of biases and beliefs} Are you wrong? To which of your statements are you referring? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You mean "the right thing" as in the original U.S.Consitution which allowed slavery and prohibited women from voting? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
That's the biggest reason they want to do away with morality as we now know it, so nobody will hold them responsible for their actions. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
:) Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
An analogy you will NEVER see on an SAT exam:) Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
No they don't. So are they lying to themselves? Their constituents? God? Or...ALL of us?? Well the ones who run on Christian worldview values should be voting that way. Period. And I am not talking about theocracy here. I'm talking about promoting the Christian worldview of morals and life issues. Yet there are those who say they are Christian but apply compartmentalization. For example, the politician who professes being a Christian yet is pro-choice and uses the excuse that they 'cannot impose their moral standards on others.' Yet they vote for pro-choice type legislation or are 'indifferent' to the issue. Such an approach can be explained as someone who is a new Christian and still developing their worldview; are not familiar with the Scriptures and are beginning their discipleship. Such need our prayers, their church teachers and pastors to lead them to the truth. On the other hand you have those who self identify with a Christian worldview yet have been vocal advocates for abortion and have a voting history which is pro-choice. Such is the example of compartmentalization. Or worse open deception. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
I give consideration (as I mentioned in a previous post) of the spiritual maturity of a new born again believer. Yes there is a transformation of heart and mind, but some of our old understandings and ways must be 'worked out' in the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit. Proper personal study, prayer and growth in the faith along with proper church discipleship and mentorship leads a new believer to the truths of God. This is why you see quite a few young in age or new adult Christians grapple with issues such as abortion. Some have been programmed from childhood outside of God's Truth. So the above I would consider before applying the litmus paper:) And we should always remember, even the most hardened pro abort types like Nancy Pelosi by God's Grace and for His Glory can become a child of God. God works wonders and usually on the most hard cases...Saul of Tarsus included in that as well. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Matthew 7:13-14King James Version (KJV) 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Human? And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6
If this isn't true then there are a lot of people ignoring their faith by voting for these jokers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Such wisdom from an old AF NCO! You hit that one out of the ball park. So yes, following Christ is NOT about SELF. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Bravo. Well stated. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Wearing the 'white' version of the Emperor Palpatine garb to boot. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
This is really a silly question. Of course they would at times. We all would at times. That is becuase we are all less than perfect and are all sinners. Fortunately for us one stumble doesn't define the entirety of our relationship with God. He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Why? This is like saying integrity means nothing. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Sounds like someone is trying to prop themselves up even though they know they aren't a good person. So they lie to themselves and everyone else to make themselves feel good about themselves. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
This is really a silly question. Why? This is like saying integrity means nothing. I explained why. It's because we all are sinners. The real question is do we recognize and repent for our sins. I can't believe that you do not understand that "real" Christians sin, usually a lot over the course of they life time. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
That is becuase we are all less than perfect and are all sinners. Fortunately for us one stumble doesn't define the entirety of our relationship with God. He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent. Sounds like someone is trying to prop themselves up even though they know they aren't a good person. So they lie to themselves and everyone else to make themselves feel good about themselves. It would be awfully unChristian like for that someone to call you a totally delusional prick. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I wasn't referring to you so don't take it personally. So what you are saying it's alright to be a sinner and as long as you keep apologizing for those sins (what's the idiom for that "lie like an old rug") that you won't be held responsible for those sins?? (Isn't that a good definition of the word delusional)?? I guess I'm not as forgiving as you cause I feel people should be held responsible for their actions. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Repentance means turning away. So I see what you are saying. But a repentant heart is also a gift of God's Grace. Without God transforming the heart and mind of the sinner, a person is incapable of satisfying Him. Only The Son of God was a Sacrifice pleasing to The Father. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
50 years ago I might have been able to grasp that concept but nowadays not so much, and it seems to be getting exponentially worse by the day. So I wonder if guys like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot repented right at the end and were forgiven?? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Jesus Christ pardoned the criminal on the cross next to him.
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
And what was the criminals sin I'm not sure what it was?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
No, delusional is interpreting what I said as you just stated. What about the words "sincerely repent" don't you understand? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You can ask God when you see Him. Does anyone human know exactly when Jesus makes His judgment on us? Is it before the instant of death? After? During? Does He allow one to repent on the death bed or immediately thereafter? People like Bob Celest claims that he knows for certain that he will be going to Heaven. So I gues he can phone in the rest of his life on Earth and not need to worry about his sinning. I have wonder more about the mind set of the Bob's of this world than in Jesus' mercy on us sinners. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I'd had a Catholic friend pose the very same great question. That's why it's called "Grace"; AMAZING Grace, actually, right? :-) Yes, it blows minds. Answer: YES. Important case and point: As Red alluded to, that criminal from his own cross asked Jesus to remember him, and was promised "Paradise" by the grace of Jesus Himself. Now whether the above infamous serial evil-doers did repent at 11:59:59 PM of their lives and gave it all the Jesus that moment (or beforehand)...God only knows. As to "serial sinners" who claim they "know" the Lord, He *is* going to know their heart, won't He? There's no conning The Almighty. No more touching lyrics of hope to a song than this...because it says it all:
To me the word "sincerely" means they are promising to NEVER EVER do something again, not apologizing every other day/week/month for the same transgression. (After awhile that persons word has little meaning anymore). Sooner or later people have to start using their "big head" to think all the time instead of using the "little head" on the weekends. I know that's a stretch for most people in today's world but not that many years ago "your word was your bond"!! “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
To me there are some sins that are unforgivable BTA that's just me. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Where's the beef?
Well now, I didn't realize that I was communicating with a nearly perfect being, second only to Christ. I am humbled to be in the pre4sence of one that has never committed the same sin twice. Please forgive me for doubting your high holiness. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
What would you like chuck, rib eye, sirloin, NY strip???
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You sound just like a woman I know that when she does/says something dumb she lashes out with those same words at others instead of fixing the problem. Weren't you introduced to the 10 Commandments? Haven't you ever heard of "Being all you can be"? Integrity? Honesty? Loyalty? Hard working? Persistent? Courage? Accountability? Lead by example? Nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean you can't try to be the best person you can be. Not many people that I know have gotten ahead in the world by being a walking talking disaster area. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I respect and understand that; I was once there. If we as humans were doing the Judging by our own standards, that would be the case for sure. Some of us have a hard enough time even forgiving ourselves. Good thing God does the righteous judging :-) God's game, God's rules and regs: ZERO sins are allowed in His Kingdom. Small, medium, large. One or a million -- no difference, it's all unclean. A sinless Christ (as man) was sacrificed on that cross to pick of the tab for ALL who repent and ask Jesus into their heart...BEFORE DEATH. That gift of forgiveness and un-earned mercy is offered even for the least as well as absolute worst and most egregious sinner. This is not easy to wrap one's head around...sometimes it takes time; I get it. Maybe it's better articulated below, while using the scripture of the thief on the cross crucified along with Jesus: (Source: http://markdroberts.com/?p=804): 39 One of the criminals who were hanged there kept deriding him and saying, “Are you not the Messiah? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed have been condemned justly, for we are getting what we deserve for our deeds, but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 He replied, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” Luke 23:39-43 has often perplexed Christians who believe that salvation comes only by explicitly confessing Jesus as Savior and Lord. “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom” hardly fits the bill here. Whatever the desperate thief believed about Jesus, it’s unlikely that he prayed the sinner’s prayer while on his cross. And we have no reason to believe that Jesus straightened out the thief’s theology before offering the promise of Paradise. No, what we have in the text of Luke is a cry of minimal faith and maximal desperation. And what we have from the mouth of Jesus is a response of extraordinary mercy. It would be unwise to build a whole theology of salvation on the basis of this single passage from Luke. And it would be unwise to build a theology of salvation without taking seriously this passage. Whatever else, it reminds us that God is “rich in mercy” (Ephesians 2:4). God saves us, not because we earn it, not because we deserve it, not because we say the right words and pray the right prayers, and not even because we get our theology right, but because God is full of mercy, mercy revealed and poured out through Jesus Christ, mercy that says to a thief: “Today you will be with me in Paradise.”
Do you really see nothing on this plate, Buck? Did you actually make an effort to read the words of that entire 'Amazing Grace' vid but couldn't quite understand it? You certainly aren't alone. Many bright, highly intelligent moral people don't understand it either. You've maintained that the Gospel and God are a "Fairy Tale"; I disbelieve your position on this. I say this with all sincerity -- I pray for you and others here to understand "Grace" as well as seeking (and finding) eventual faith in Jesus. I sense part of you does indeed want to understand. If you've that "Faith of a mustard seed," you've one foot in the door already. Complete the circuit. "Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.... Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God....
"Grace" is nothing more than "hope" or otherwise known as "solace" for the masses. If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale.
To me the word "sincerely" means they are promising to NEVER EVER do something again, not apologizing every other day/week/month for the same transgression. (After awhile that persons word has little meaning anymore). Good debate, gents. Legit points made by both. I guess what's at stake here are definitions. And degree of those sinning but playing "I'm saved!, I repent/I apologize" card as an infinite mulligan. The question is probably more about whether that milligan-addicted person has ever truly been sincere about their personal repentance and commitment to God. Or acted in premeditated manners of sin and evil, rationalizing that their tab is picked up by Jesus...no matter what. And yes, it doesn't escape me that in the meantime some "Saved Christians" are serial hypocrites and serial liars, creating havoc, causing needless suffering in this world. True justice and righteous judgement will not be served in this world. The Lord will have the last word.
No, you're still not getting it (btw, it's "opiate of the masses" ;-) If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale. By "system," are you referring simply to the Gospel?
I'll ask again; Did you actually make an effort to read and contemplate the words of that entire 'Amazing Grace' vid? What exactly is it about the "system of Christianity" that you find "unbelievable"?
No. Your belief system of and about Christianity. It is not the same for anyone, no matter what they say. Christianity is subjective and is an interpreted religion. That is why there are so many Christian Churches around the world.
I'm staring at this sentence/thought of yours and trying to comprehend it. There is no more "special" belief system than the simple message of the Gospel. I'm not sure if it's a matter of absolute disbelief for you that the existence of God is not only possible but probably; the existence of Jesus Christ as Savior is possible, as well as the absolution of sins (and Grace.) Or do you find it all too simple a road to the Kingdom of God? How do you intellectually explain away the prophecies fulfilled in the Bible? As MORE "faerie tales"?? If so, how and why could you believe any "history" at all? What's seemed impossible since I was a young tot to me was that this world was created -- NOT only out of thin air, but with no rhyme, reason, guidance, purpose, function, OR reason. Nothing BUT the Bible addresses ALL of it. From the beginning to the end.
The "Christianity" of Jesus Christ Himself and His Apostles isn't subjective at all. That's all that matters. The different sects of Christian churches are all going to agree on this one fundamental: John 3:16.
What is so simple about it, that Christians have for two thousand years created some of the most frightening terrorist atrocities to mankind on the planet? An example: ever hear of the thirty year war in Europe? I question the concept, "Kingdom of God;" in fact, I think it is pure make-believe dogma that was (and is still used to this day) to control the poor masses while they were beat to death as slaves, serfs or tax payers. There are no prophecies fulfilled by the Bible. It is all faerie tales. Yup. History is based on FACTS; I can assess the truth or probable truth to any claim at any tyme using critical thinking techniques to understand the objectivity about the claim. Religion and other themes are based on myth. That is a far departure from objective FACT. To use a word, "poppy-cock."
You mean SO-CALLED "Christians." In NO way did the Gospel of Jesus Christ ever endorse, advocate or teach coercion, murder, or war in His name. You acknowledge and understand *that,* right? All that said, it has been the tenets and principles of true Christianity that has produced the best of mankind. In ALL ways, from law, to compassion, to liberty, to merit-based wealth, to (most importantly)...Salvation. I question the concept, "Kingdom of God;" in fact, I think it is pure make-believe dogma that was (and is still used to this day) to control the poor masses while they were beat to death as slaves, serfs or tax payers. Fair enough. But who is "they"? Jesus Christ and His Apostle and Disciples? Are you telling me they ALL died horrible deaths in the name of a Lie ...for a tyrannical state? Makes NO sense at all. The "Kingdom of God" - as well as Jesus Christ, the eyewitness accounts of the Apostles, the miracles, and fulfilled prophesies -- how can you be so sure that ALL of it is one big fat lying conspiracy? How can you be sure that it's not *you* being duped? There are no prophecies fulfilled by the Bible. It is all faerie tales. With all due respect, if this is really your position, you're ignorant of the prophecies fulfilled as well as scripture that supports them. History is based on FACTS; I can assess the truth or probable truth to any claim at any tyme using critical thinking techniques to understand the objectivity about the claim. And...ergo, in your opinion, the entire Bible, including eyewitness the testimony of the Apostles are...lies?? What "critical thinking" and "techniques" would preclude you from believing the fidelity of biblical history if you're ignorant of the claims of the Bible? How can you claim honestly "objectivity" if you've discounted and dismissed ALL of the historical accounts and testimony documented Bible? Religion and other themes are based on myth. That is a far departure from objective FACT. Most religions ARE based on myth. Christianity is based on factual history, supported by multiple sources of eyewitness testimony. Be that as it may, what is your credible source(s) for which you believe are the actual and factually documented "history"?
Are you saying Martin Luther had *NOTHING* to do with the thirty year's war? Are you saying he did not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Explain just one prophesy that has been fulfilled. No, mere faerie tales built upon myth, gossip and innuendo, besides hand-me-down chit-chat through generations of ignorant slaves. "Fidelity of biblical history" is based on faith or belief; it is not based on supporting data that is substantiated through not just documented records but also supporting data that affirms objective evidence. I see that Christianity is an exception to the rule based on your opinion. Are there any myths contained in the Christian belief system? Is there at least one myth, in your opinion? I don't believe in history or anything other than I hope or believe that a better future for my family, friends, business colleagues and acquaintances may exist.
Not much to hang your hat on :-( I see that Christianity is an exception to the rule based on your opinion. My opinion is based on time-tested fact and testimony, faith and observation. Are there any myths contained in the Christian belief system? Is there at least one myth, in your opinion? No. (Do you have one or two in mind I should know about?) Are you saying Martin Luther had *NOTHING* to do with the thirty year's war? Are you saying he did not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Though Martin Luther believed in the Gospel, he was grossly misguided, erred and sinned greatly (Has the Thirty Years War greatly affected your faith?) That said, you still won't find a single word or message attributed to Jesus Christ OR his Apostles that endorse faith in the Gospel thru coercion, threats, or murder. But you know that already.
Seriously??
About as much as your "grace." So, there is little advantage for any of us, is there? What are the relative percentages of your opinion: 1) fact, 2) testimony, 3) faith and 4) observations? While responding about any myths within Christianity, Liberator claims: Liberator -- are you a Catholic?
Please explain one prophesy that has been fulfilled based on the contents of the Christian Bible. There are many versions of the Bible, too. So feel free to pick or choose the Bible that you want to quote the prophesy.
If one orders chicken they will not get beef. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Are you sayin' that I went to the wrong fast food restaurant where there is no "grace" but only "hope?"
Nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean you can't try to be the best person you can be. Not many people that I know have gotten ahead in the world by being a walking talking disaster area. And you sound like the arrogrant prick that you are but now adding stupid to the mix. No I never heard of the 10 Commandments, blah lah blah........ потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Wrong, wrong,wrong, wrong wrong, DEAD WRONG! Christianity is UNIQUE, because Jesus Christ is UNIQUE. And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6
You're still driving off a 10,000 foot cliff. The historical facts of Christianity are for the most part true, albeit there are a few elements which are not true, but are easily dismissed if one is honestly seeking the truth. Truth points to Jesus Christ, and until you accept Him as Lord and Savior you will remain spiritually dead. And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6
You're very confused. Evidence is objective, but proof is subjective. Let me paint a picture for you. One thousand people see a historical event take place. In a court of law each one describes that event from his/her point of view. You will likely be able to dismiss some of the witnesses as not credible. You almost certainly will find variations in what the witnesses saw, because they are looking at it from different perspectives. That point is always true with eyewitness accounts. What you are missing is there is overwhelming objective evidence from hundreds of credible eyewitnesses to the person of Jesus Christ being what He did and what He said being true. Your rebuttals are nothing more than smoke and mirrors. And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6
Ahhh... so you think what all I listed is "optional"?? Ok now I see your point of view.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
the pope will also state that climate change is mostly a man-made problem.
#2. To: redleghunter (#0)
His appeal echoed that of his predecessor, pope Benedict XVI, who in a 2009 encyclical proposed a kind of super-UN to deal with the world’s economic problems and injustices.
#3. To: CZ82 (#1)
And some people wonder why most politicians are Catholic! LOL...
#4. To: SOSO, CZ82 (#3)
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("And some people wonder why most politicians are Catholic! LOL...")
#5. To: redleghunter (#0)
Pope Francis will this week call for changes in lifestyles and energy consumption to avert the “unprecedented destruction of the ecosystem”...
#6. To: redleghunter (#0)
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#7. To: Liberator, SOSO (#4)
#8. To: redleghunter (#0)
#9. To: Rufus T Firefly (#6)
#10. To: redleghunter, NWO McCain Republicans (#0)
McCain takes on global warming
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#11. To: hondo68 (#10)
Now we know, the Pope is a Republican at heart. If Panamanian McCain can run for US president, why not the Argentine pontiff and the Canadian Cruz?
#12. To: redleghunter, REAL Romney Republicans (#11)
McCain is a Republican?
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#13. To: hondo68 (#12)
You don't get to be the GOP presidential candidate, without being a REAL Republican.
#14. To: redleghunter (#0)
The pope will also single out those obstructing solutions. In an apparent reference to climate-change deniers, the draft states: “The attitudes that stand in the way of a solution, even among believers, range from negation of the problem, to indifference, to convenient resignation or blind faith in technical solutions.”
It should be entertaining!
#15. To: redleghunter (#0)
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#16. To: redleghunter (#0)
#17. To: redleghunter (#13)
You don't get to be the GOP presidential candidate, without being a REAL Republican.
you assert a self proclaimed infallibility on all matters? The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#18. To: Rufus T Firefly (#6)
Has anyone else noticed?
#19. To: hondo68 (#17)
It's a question,
#20. To: A K A Stone (#19)
asking if he agreed with you.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#21. To: redleghunter (#0)
Pope Francis will this week call for changes in lifestyles and energy consumption to avert the “unprecedented destruction of the ecosystem” before the end of this century, according to a leaked draft of a papal encyclical. In a document released by an Italian magazine on Monday, the pontiff will warn that failure to act would have “grave consequences for all of us”.
#22. To: Liberator, CZ82 (#4)
#23. To: SOSO (#22)
About 92% of COngress is Christian
#24. To: hondo68 (#17)
I don't do encyclicals. Do you disagree with my statements?
#25. To: Justified, tomder55 (#21)
OMG they only got the names and the flood right in that movie! Everything else was made up out of thin air!
#26. To: redleghunter (#25)
#27. To: Justified (#26)
They actually had to work harder to make stuff up then to stick to the truth!
#28. To: redleghunter (#27)
They actually had to work harder to make stuff up then to stick to the truth!
#29. To: A K A Stone (#23)
About 92% of COngress is Christian
#30. To: SOSO (#29)
#31. To: CZ82, Liberator (#7)
#32. To: SOSO (#29)
About 92% of COngress is Christian Not even close my friend.
#33. To: redleghunter (#30)
#34. To: SOSO (#33)
The mainstream Christian, such as Pelosi
#35. To: SOSO (#33)
#36. To: A K A Stone (#32)
Or how about this. Every democrat that is in favor of abortion is not a christian.
#37. To: SOSO (#36)
Only God knows just how Christian they are.
#38. To: SOSO (#36)
You unilateally changed the discussion by introducing yor biases and beliefs.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#34)
#40. To: A K A Stone (#38)
You're fooling yourself if you tell yourself otherwise.
#41. To: SOSO (#33)
You fail to realize that "THEY" are what pass for mainstream Christians these days and have a different view of the tenets of Christianity than you or I. I include the Pope in the current mainstream category. Christian traditionalism is all but dead save in small enclaves. The mainstream Christian, such as Pelosi, are much more secular in his morals, values and beliefs about God and Man.
#42. To: Rufus T Firefly (#6)
Has anyone else noticed?
#43. To: CZ82, SOSO (#7)
#44. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#8)
I've seen some reports that some libs at the Vatican released a few select quotes from a very preliminary draft of the encylical and they are daring the pope to contradict it much in the final document.
#45. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#8)
A truly lousy pope, all around.
#46. To: redleghunter (#9)
LOL, those are mighty big mercury laden bulbs:)
#47. To: Liberator, TooConservative (#44)
No one is "mad as hell and NOT gonna take it anymore." YET.
#48. To: hondo68 (#10)
Now we know, the Pope is a Republican at heart. If Panamanian McCain can run for US president, why not the Argentine pontiff and the Canadian Cruz?
#49. To: redleghunter (#47)
#50. To: redleghunter, hondo68 (#11)
McCain is a Republican? Didn't notice that.
#51. To: hondo68, redleghunter (#12)
You don't get to be the GOP presidential candidate, without being a REAL Republican.
#52. To: tomder55 (#18)
Pope Goracle I
#53. To: Justified (#21)
Now we know who wrote the scripted for the movie "NOAH"!
#54. To: Liberator, TooConservative (#45)
Has it ever been fully explained yet why THIS Pontiff suddenly replaced the former before his demise?
#55. To: SOSO (#22)
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Almost 60% of Congress is Protestant. There has only been one Catholic POTUS. You are correct about SCOTUS, it has six Catholics and three Jews. But SCOTUS is not an elected body, at least not directly so.
#56. To: Liberator (#55)
Almost 60% of Congress is Protestant. There has only been one Catholic POTUS. You are correct about SCOTUS, it has six Catholics and three Jews. But SCOTUS is not an elected body, at least not directly so.
#57. To: redleghunter (#54)
Unlike JP I who died within 30 days or so of his office, Benedict did not get the poison tea. I think the movie godfather III tried to link all the Vatican bankster stuff and the death of JP I.
#58. To: SOSO (#56)
#59. To: A K A Stone, SOSO (#23)
Not even close my friend.
#60. To: Liberator (#55)
Can you tell me how in the world a nation whose majority identify as "Protestant" have ZERO Protestants out of NINE on SCOTUS??
#61. To: redleghunter, hondo68 (#24)
Sometimes I do disagree with your statements. You spend 95% of your posts telling us that all the GOP candidates are bunk; 4% of the time telling us the GOP is just like the Dims; and about a mere 1% of the time mentioning Obolo and the Clintoons and the other overt Marxists.
#62. To: Liberator, A K A Stone (#59)
There is NO way (even IF there are stats that support that "92%" number.)
#63. To: redleghunter, hondo68, liberator (#24)
I do disagree with your statements. You spend 95% of your posts telling us that all the GOP candidates are bunk; 4% of the time telling us the GOP is just like the Dims; and about a mere 1% of the time mentioning Obolo and the Clintoons and the other overt Marxists.
#64. To: SOSO, redleghunter, A K A Stone, CZ82, Stoner, Bob Celeste (#60)
I have no reasonable explanation for that other than perhaps by chance.
#65. To: SOSO, A K A Stone (#62)
#66. To: redleghunter, Justified, tomder55 (#25)
Did not waste my money on that movie. Another Hollyweird hack job.
#67. To: SOSO, A K A Stone (#29)
Although identifying as religiously unaffiliated does not necessarily mean one is atheist, politicians may be wary about such an association. About half of Americans (53%) say they would be less likely to support an atheist for president.
#68. To: redleghunter, SOSO, A K A Stone (#30)
They sure don't legislate according to their Christian ideals/worldview.
#69. To: SOSO, CZ82 (#31)
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As I stated, the justices of the Supreme Court are not elected but appointed by elected representatives of We The People (POTUS propose, Congress disposes).
#70. To: A K A Stone, SOSO, redleghunter (#32)
Every democrat that is in favor of abortion is not a christian.
#71. To: SOSO, redleghunter (#33)
You fail to realize that "THEY" are what pass for mainstream Christians these days and have a different view of the tenets of Christianity than you or I. I include the Pope in the current mainstream category.
#72. To: Liberator, SOSO, redleghunter (#43)
#73. To: SOSO, A K A Stone (#36)
The fact is that over 90% of Congress identify themself as Christian.
#74. To: CZ82 (#72)
I'm pretty sure we had the discussion before the 2014 elections so I know the numbers have changed somewhat, just not sure by how many.
#75. To: Liberator, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#48)
Comparing McStain to Cruz is insane.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#76. To: hondo68 (#75)
Like Obama, they're both foreign born and ineligible to be president of the US.
#77. To: A K A Stone, what a maroon (#76)
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you moron
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#78. To: hondo68 (#77)
#79. To: Liberator, hondo68, redleghunter, A K A Stone (#74)
CONFIDENCE IN RELIGION HITS NEW LOW 
#80. To: TooConservative, Liberator (#79)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#81. To: hondo68 (#77)
George Romney's BC says "Mexico" because he was born there, of two US citizen parents. Even the GOP wouldn't let him run for president in '68, Nixon won instead.
#82. To: hondo68, Liberator (#80)
Liberator asked a good question... why was the other Pope replaced while he's still alive? Something fishy, for sure.
#83. To: Liberator, A K A Stone (#73)
"Biases and beliefs" based upon scriptural truths are what traditionally have guided us to discerned right from wrong in THIS country. Am I wrong?
#84. To: Liberator (#73)
"Biases and beliefs" based upon scriptural truths are what traditionally have guided us to discerned right from wrong in THIS country.
#85. To: Liberator, domer (#74)
Yep. demonstrate a "love of fellow man." NOT betrayal. But again -- since these days people shamelessly redefine reality, "good" can be redefined." This as they who lord over us sell us out in broad daylight. Arrogantly. Spitefully. WITH malice and dishonorably. (Now whether by 11:59 they've repented, again, God only knows.)
#86. To: Liberator (#57)
Pope Benny was made "an offer" he couldn't refuse.
#87. To: Liberator (#66)
THIS Pope is as much an authority on science -- as well as the word of God -- as 0blabla is an authority on the Constitution. Coincidence??
#88. To: Liberator, SOSO, A K A Stone, GarySpFc, BobCeleste (#68)
They sure don't legislate according to their Christian ideals/worldview.
#89. To: Liberator, A K A Stone, GarySpFc (#70)
On the position of abortion, its support provides a telling litmus test of "Christian/NON-Christian."
#90. To: Liberator, SOSO (#71)
"Mainstream" Christianity is a compromised river of polluted Christianity diverted to Hell.
#91. To: A K A Stone (#34)
She isn't a christian. Give me a break.
#92. To: CZ82, Liberator, SOSO (#72)
So I guess my question is would a truly religious person do the things our politicians do with legislation that only benefit themselves and their ambition for power??? (They're knowingly screwing their constituency/fellow man all so they can feel good about themselves). I was under the impression that the word of God meant you are supposed to act in a way that benefits everyone??
#93. To: Liberator, redleghunter (#71)
"Mainstream" Christianity is a compromised river of polluted Christianity diverted to Hell.
#94. To: TooConservative (#79)
#95. To: CZ82, Liberator, redleghunter (#72)
So I guess my question is would a truly religious person do the things our politicians do with legislation that only benefit themselves and their ambition for power???
#96. To: SOSO (#95)
This is really a silly question.
#97. To: SOSO, redleghunter, Liberator (#95)
That is becuase we are all less than perfect and are all sinners. Fortunately for us one stumble doesn't define the entirety of our relationship with God. He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent.
#98. To: CZ82 (#96)
#99. To: CZ82 (#97)
#100. To: SOSO (#99)
#101. To: CZ82 (#100)
#102. To: redleghunter, SOSO (#101)
#103. To: CZ82 (#102)
#104. To: redleghunter (#103)
#105. To: CZ82 (#100)
So what you are saying it's alright to be a sinner and as long as you keep apologizing for those sins (what's the idiom for that "lie like an old rug") that you won't be held responsible for those sins?? (Isn't that a good definition of the word delusional)??
#106. To: CZ82, redleghunter, Bob Celeste (#102)
So I wonder if guys like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot repented right at the end and were forgiven??
#107. To: CZ82, redleghunter, SOSO, Bob Celeste (#102)
I wonder if guys like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot repented right at the end and were forgiven??
#108. To: SOSO (#105)
He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent.
#109. To: Liberator (#107)
Yes, it blows minds. Answer: YES.
#110. To: Liberator, CZ82, redleghunter, SOSO, Bob Celeste (#107)
No more touching lyrics of hope to a song than this...because it says it all:
#111. To: CZ82 (#108)
To me the word "sincerely" means they are promising to NEVER EVER do something again......................
#112. To: buckeroo (#110)
#113. To: SOSO (#111)
(Edited)
Well now, I didn't realize that I was communicating with a nearly perfect being, second only to Christ. I am humbled to be in the pre4sence of one that has never committed the same sin twice. Please forgive me for doubting your high holiness.
#114. To: CZ82 (#109)
To me there are some sins that are unforgivable BTA that's just me.
Luke 23:39-43
#115. To: buckeroo (#110)
Where's the beef?
#116. To: Liberator (#115)
#117. To: CZ82, SOSO (#108)
(Edited)
"He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent."
#118. To: buckeroo (#116)
"Grace" is nothing more than "hope" or otherwise known as "solace" for the masses.
#119. To: buckeroo (#116)
#120. To: Liberator (#118)
By "system," are you referring simply to the Gospel?
#121. To: buckeroo (#116)
If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale.
#122. To: buckeroo (#120)
Christianity is subjective and is an interpreted religion. That is why there are so many Christian Churches around the world.
#123. To: Liberator (#121)
(Edited)
There is no more "special" belief system than the simple message of the Gospel.
Or do you find it all too simple a road to the Kingdom of God?
How do you intellectually explain away the prophecies fulfilled in the Bible?
As MORE "faerie tales"?
If so, how and why could you believe any "history" at all?
What's seemed impossible since I was a young tot to me was that this world was created -- NOT only out of thin air, but with no rhyme, reason, guidance, purpose, function, OR reason. Nothing BUT the Bible addresses ALL of it. From the beginning to the end.
#124. To: buckeroo (#123)
What is so simple about it, that Christians have for two thousand years created some of the most frightening terrorist atrocities to mankind on the planet? An example: ever hear of the thirty year war in Europe?
#125. To: Liberator (#124)
You mean SO-CALLED "Christians." In NO way did the Gospel of Jesus Christ ever endorse, advocate or teach coercion, murder, or war in His name. You acknowledge and understand *that,* right?
.. you're ignorant of the prophecies fulfilled as well as scripture that supports them.
.. in your opinion, the entire Bible, including eyewitness the testimony of the Apostles are...lies??
What "critical thinking" and "techniques" would preclude you from believing the fidelity of biblical history if you're ignorant of the claims of the Bible? How can you claim honestly "objectivity" if you've discounted and dismissed ALL of the historical accounts and testimony documented Bible?
Most religions ARE based on myth. Christianity is based on factual history, supported by multiple sources of eyewitness testimony.
Be that as it may, what is your credible source(s) for which you believe are the actual and factually documented "history"?
#126. To: buckeroo (#125)
I don't believe in history or anything other than I hope or believe that a better future for my family, friends, business colleagues and acquaintances may exist.
#127. To: buckeroo (#125)
Explain just one prophesy that has been fulfilled.
#128. To: Liberator (#126)
Not much to hang your hat on :-(
My opinion is based on time-tested fact and testimony, faith and observation.
No. (Do you have one or two in mind I should know about?)
Though Martin Luther believed in the Gospel, he was grossly misguided, erred and sinned greatly (Has the Thirty Years War greatly affected your faith?) That said, you still won't find a single word or message attributed to Jesus Christ OR his Apostles that endorse faith in the Gospel thru coercion, threats, or murder. But you know that already.
#129. To: Liberator (#127)
#130. To: buckeroo (#110)
Where's the beef?
#131. To: redleghunter (#130)
#132. To: CZ82 (#113)
Weren't you introduced to the 10 Commandments? Haven't you ever heard of "Being all you can be"? Integrity? Honesty? Loyalty? Hard working? Persistent? Courage? Accountability? Lead by example?
#133. To: buckeroo, ALL (#116)
"Grace" is nothing more than "hope" or otherwise known as "solace" for the masses. If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale.
#134. To: buckeroo, ALL (#125)
(Edited)
Fidelity of biblical history" is based on faith or belief; it is not based on supporting data that is substantiated through not just documented records but also supporting data that affirms objective evidence.
#135. To: buckeroo, ALL (#125)
(Edited)
"Fidelity of biblical history" is based on faith or belief; it is not based on supporting data that is substantiated through not just documented records but also supporting data that affirms objective evidence.
#136. To: SOSO (#132)
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