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Title: Pope Francis warns of destruction of Earth's ecosystem in leaked encyclical
Source: The Guardian
URL Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/20 ... on-ecosystem-leaked-encyclical
Published: Jun 16, 2015
Author: Stephanie Kirchgaessner & John Hooper
Post Date: 2015-06-16 14:37:17 by redleghunter
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Pope Francis will this week call for changes in lifestyles and energy consumption to avert the “unprecedented destruction of the ecosystem” before the end of this century, according to a leaked draft of a papal encyclical. In a document released by an Italian magazine on Monday, the pontiff will warn that failure to act would have “grave consequences for all of us”.

Francis also called for a new global political authority tasked with “tackling … the reduction of pollution and the development of poor countries and regions”. His appeal echoed that of his predecessor, pope Benedict XVI, who in a 2009 encyclical proposed a kind of super-UN to deal with the world’s economic problems and injustices.

According to the lengthy draft, which was obtained and published by L’Espresso magazine, the Argentinean pope will align himself with the environmental movement and its objectives. While accepting that there may be some natural causes of global warming, the pope will also state that climate change is mostly a man-made problem.

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#1. To: All (#0)

the pope will also state that climate change is mostly a man-made problem.

And some people wonder why most politicians are Catholic! LOL...

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-16   20:48:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: CZ82 (#1)

And some people wonder why most politicians are Catholic! LOL...

What? Please document you claim.

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-16   21:53:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: SOSO, CZ82 (#3) (Edited)

("And some people wonder why most politicians are Catholic! LOL...")

What? Please document you claim.

What CZ may mean by his statement is that the majority within the Dem Party and its leadership is rife with Catholics. And apparently so too are many Pubbies north of the Mason-Dixon line.

Moreover, not ONE single Protestant on the US Supreme Court. DOCUMENTED.

At least half of all Catholics are Dems, pro-abortion, and liberal. Yeah -- none of us like that kind of hypocrisy either, but then again, look at their so-called "leader," the Pope.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-17   0:14:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberator, SOSO (#4)

You said that quite eloquently, thank you.

We've had this discussion before (especially about the judges) but don't remember if it was here or LP, SOSO must have missed it.

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-17   7:07:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: CZ82, SOSO (#7)

You're welcome, sir.

We've had this discussion before (especially about the judges) but don't remember if it was here or LP, SOSO must have missed it.

I believe you're right about having discussed this subject matter. Perhaps SOSO wasn't privy to the discussion.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-17   16:29:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator, SOSO, redleghunter (#43)

I'm pretty sure we had the discussion before the 2014 elections so I know the numbers have changed somewhat, just not sure by how many.

Just because someone claims to be Catholic, Baptist etc, etc, doesn't mean they actually are, most of them probably pick/say what they think their constituency will vote for.

I remember that when you enlisted in the military and they asked you what religion you were and you didn't know or didn't care to share, you automatically became a PROTESTANT and that is what went on your Dog Tags!!!

So I guess my question is would a truly religious person do the things our politicians do with legislation that only benefit themselves and their ambition for power??? (They're knowingly screwing their constituency/fellow man all so they can feel good about themselves). I was under the impression that the word of God meant you are supposed to act in a way that benefits everyone??

If this isn't true then there are a lot of people ignoring their faith by voting for these jokers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-17   18:07:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: CZ82, Liberator, redleghunter (#72)

So I guess my question is would a truly religious person do the things our politicians do with legislation that only benefit themselves and their ambition for power???

This is really a silly question. Of course they would at times. We all would at times. That is becuase we are all less than perfect and are all sinners. Fortunately for us one stumble doesn't define the entirety of our relationship with God. He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent.

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-18   14:00:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: SOSO, redleghunter, Liberator (#95)

That is becuase we are all less than perfect and are all sinners. Fortunately for us one stumble doesn't define the entirety of our relationship with God. He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent.

Sounds like someone is trying to prop themselves up even though they know they aren't a good person. So they lie to themselves and everyone else to make themselves feel good about themselves.

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-18   17:55:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: CZ82 (#97)

That is becuase we are all less than perfect and are all sinners. Fortunately for us one stumble doesn't define the entirety of our relationship with God. He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent. Sounds like someone is trying to prop themselves up even though they know they aren't a good person. So they lie to themselves and everyone else to make themselves feel good about themselves.

It would be awfully unChristian like for that someone to call you a totally delusional prick.

SOSO  posted on  2015-06-18   20:00:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: SOSO (#99)

I wasn't referring to you so don't take it personally.

So what you are saying it's alright to be a sinner and as long as you keep apologizing for those sins (what's the idiom for that "lie like an old rug") that you won't be held responsible for those sins?? (Isn't that a good definition of the word delusional)??

I guess I'm not as forgiving as you cause I feel people should be held responsible for their actions.

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-19   1:03:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: CZ82 (#100)

Repentance means turning away.

So I see what you are saying.

But a repentant heart is also a gift of God's Grace. Without God transforming the heart and mind of the sinner, a person is incapable of satisfying Him. Only The Son of God was a Sacrifice pleasing to The Father.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-19   1:30:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: redleghunter, SOSO (#101)

50 years ago I might have been able to grasp that concept but nowadays not so much, and it seems to be getting exponentially worse by the day.

So I wonder if guys like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot repented right at the end and were forgiven??

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-19   1:50:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: CZ82, redleghunter, SOSO, Bob Celeste (#102)

I wonder if guys like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot repented right at the end and were forgiven??

I'd had a Catholic friend pose the very same great question. That's why it's called "Grace"; AMAZING Grace, actually, right? :-) Yes, it blows minds. Answer: YES.

Important case and point: As Red alluded to, that criminal from his own cross asked Jesus to remember him, and was promised "Paradise" by the grace of Jesus Himself. Now whether the above infamous serial evil-doers did repent at 11:59:59 PM of their lives and gave it all the Jesus that moment (or beforehand)...God only knows. As to "serial sinners" who claim they "know" the Lord, He *is* going to know their heart, won't He? There's no conning The Almighty.

No more touching lyrics of hope to a song than this...because it says it all:

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-19   21:03:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Liberator, CZ82, redleghunter, SOSO, Bob Celeste (#107)

No more touching lyrics of hope to a song than this...because it says it all:

Where's the beef?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-19   21:52:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: buckeroo (#110)

Where's the beef?

Do you really see nothing on this plate, Buck? Did you actually make an effort to read the words of that entire 'Amazing Grace' vid but couldn't quite understand it? You certainly aren't alone. Many bright, highly intelligent moral people don't understand it either. You've maintained that the Gospel and God are a "Fairy Tale"; I disbelieve your position on this.

I say this with all sincerity -- I pray for you and others here to understand "Grace" as well as seeking (and finding) eventual faith in Jesus. I sense part of you does indeed want to understand. If you've that "Faith of a mustard seed," you've one foot in the door already. Complete the circuit.

"Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied....

Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God....

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   11:06:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Liberator (#115)

"Grace" is nothing more than "hope" or otherwise known as "solace" for the masses. If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-20   11:11:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: buckeroo (#116)

If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale.

I'm staring at this sentence/thought of yours and trying to comprehend it. There is no more "special" belief system than the simple message of the Gospel.

I'm not sure if it's a matter of absolute disbelief for you that the existence of God is not only possible but probably; the existence of Jesus Christ as Savior is possible, as well as the absolution of sins (and Grace.) Or do you find it all too simple a road to the Kingdom of God? How do you intellectually explain away the prophecies fulfilled in the Bible? As MORE "faerie tales"?? If so, how and why could you believe any "history" at all?

What's seemed impossible since I was a young tot to me was that this world was created -- NOT only out of thin air, but with no rhyme, reason, guidance, purpose, function, OR reason. Nothing BUT the Bible addresses ALL of it. From the beginning to the end.

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   11:49:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Liberator (#121) (Edited)

There is no more "special" belief system than the simple message of the Gospel.

What is so simple about it, that Christians have for two thousand years created some of the most frightening terrorist atrocities to mankind on the planet? An example: ever hear of the thirty year war in Europe?

Or do you find it all too simple a road to the Kingdom of God?

I question the concept, "Kingdom of God;" in fact, I think it is pure make-believe dogma that was (and is still used to this day) to control the poor masses while they were beat to death as slaves, serfs or tax payers.

How do you intellectually explain away the prophecies fulfilled in the Bible?

There are no prophecies fulfilled by the Bible. It is all faerie tales.

As MORE "faerie tales"?

Yup.

If so, how and why could you believe any "history" at all?

History is based on FACTS; I can assess the truth or probable truth to any claim at any tyme using critical thinking techniques to understand the objectivity about the claim.

Religion and other themes are based on myth. That is a far departure from objective FACT.

What's seemed impossible since I was a young tot to me was that this world was created -- NOT only out of thin air, but with no rhyme, reason, guidance, purpose, function, OR reason. Nothing BUT the Bible addresses ALL of it. From the beginning to the end.

To use a word, "poppy-cock."

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-20   12:08:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: buckeroo (#123)

What is so simple about it, that Christians have for two thousand years created some of the most frightening terrorist atrocities to mankind on the planet? An example: ever hear of the thirty year war in Europe?

You mean SO-CALLED "Christians." In NO way did the Gospel of Jesus Christ ever endorse, advocate or teach coercion, murder, or war in His name. You acknowledge and understand *that,* right?

All that said, it has been the tenets and principles of true Christianity that has produced the best of mankind. In ALL ways, from law, to compassion, to liberty, to merit-based wealth, to (most importantly)...Salvation.

I question the concept, "Kingdom of God;" in fact, I think it is pure make-believe dogma that was (and is still used to this day) to control the poor masses while they were beat to death as slaves, serfs or tax payers.

Fair enough. But who is "they"? Jesus Christ and His Apostle and Disciples? Are you telling me they ALL died horrible deaths in the name of a Lie ...for a tyrannical state? Makes NO sense at all.

The "Kingdom of God" - as well as Jesus Christ, the eyewitness accounts of the Apostles, the miracles, and fulfilled prophesies -- how can you be so sure that ALL of it is one big fat lying conspiracy? How can you be sure that it's not *you* being duped?

There are no prophecies fulfilled by the Bible. It is all faerie tales.

With all due respect, if this is really your position, you're ignorant of the prophecies fulfilled as well as scripture that supports them.

History is based on FACTS; I can assess the truth or probable truth to any claim at any tyme using critical thinking techniques to understand the objectivity about the claim.

And...ergo, in your opinion, the entire Bible, including eyewitness the testimony of the Apostles are...lies?? What "critical thinking" and "techniques" would preclude you from believing the fidelity of biblical history if you're ignorant of the claims of the Bible? How can you claim honestly "objectivity" if you've discounted and dismissed ALL of the historical accounts and testimony documented Bible?

Religion and other themes are based on myth. That is a far departure from objective FACT.

Most religions ARE based on myth. Christianity is based on factual history, supported by multiple sources of eyewitness testimony. Be that as it may, what is your credible source(s) for which you believe are the actual and factually documented "history"?

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   12:51:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Liberator (#124)

You mean SO-CALLED "Christians." In NO way did the Gospel of Jesus Christ ever endorse, advocate or teach coercion, murder, or war in His name. You acknowledge and understand *that,* right?

Are you saying Martin Luther had *NOTHING* to do with the thirty year's war? Are you saying he did not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

.. you're ignorant of the prophecies fulfilled as well as scripture that supports them.

Explain just one prophesy that has been fulfilled.

.. in your opinion, the entire Bible, including eyewitness the testimony of the Apostles are...lies??

No, mere faerie tales built upon myth, gossip and innuendo, besides hand-me-down chit-chat through generations of ignorant slaves.

What "critical thinking" and "techniques" would preclude you from believing the fidelity of biblical history if you're ignorant of the claims of the Bible? How can you claim honestly "objectivity" if you've discounted and dismissed ALL of the historical accounts and testimony documented Bible?

"Fidelity of biblical history" is based on faith or belief; it is not based on supporting data that is substantiated through not just documented records but also supporting data that affirms objective evidence.

Most religions ARE based on myth. Christianity is based on factual history, supported by multiple sources of eyewitness testimony.

I see that Christianity is an exception to the rule based on your opinion. Are there any myths contained in the Christian belief system? Is there at least one myth, in your opinion?

Be that as it may, what is your credible source(s) for which you believe are the actual and factually documented "history"?

I don't believe in history or anything other than I hope or believe that a better future for my family, friends, business colleagues and acquaintances may exist.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-20   13:24:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: buckeroo, ALL (#125) (Edited)

"Fidelity of biblical history" is based on faith or belief; it is not based on supporting data that is substantiated through not just documented records but also supporting data that affirms objective evidence.

You're very confused. Evidence is objective, but proof is subjective.

Let me paint a picture for you. One thousand people see a historical event take place. In a court of law each one describes that event from his/her point of view. You will likely be able to dismiss some of the witnesses as not credible. You almost certainly will find variations in what the witnesses saw, because they are looking at it from different perspectives. That point is always true with eyewitness accounts. What you are missing is there is overwhelming objective evidence from hundreds of credible eyewitnesses to the person of Jesus Christ being what He did and what He said being true. Your rebuttals are nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

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