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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In New World Order See other New World Order Articles Title: Pope Francis warns of destruction of Earth's ecosystem in leaked encyclical Source: The Guardian URL Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/20 ... on-ecosystem-leaked-encyclical Published: Jun 16, 2015 Author: Stephanie Kirchgaessner & John Hooper Post Date: 2015-06-16 14:37:17 by redleghunter Ping List: *Religious History and Issues*     Subscribe to *Religious History and Issues* Keywords: None Views: 35309 Comments: 136 Pope Francis will this week call for changes in lifestyles and energy consumption to avert the “unprecedented destruction of the ecosystem” before the end of this century, according to a leaked draft of a papal encyclical. 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Poster Comment: NWO Pope....Subscribe to *Religious History and Issues* Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-95) not displayed.       .       .       . #96. To: SOSO (#95) This is really a silly question. Why? This is like saying integrity means nothing. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-06-18   17:49:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #97. To: SOSO, redleghunter, Liberator (#95) That is becuase we are all less than perfect and are all sinners. Fortunately for us one stumble doesn't define the entirety of our relationship with God. He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent. Sounds like someone is trying to prop themselves up even though they know they aren't a good person. So they lie to themselves and everyone else to make themselves feel good about themselves. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-06-18   17:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #98. To: CZ82 (#96) This is really a silly question. Why? This is like saying integrity means nothing. I explained why. It's because we all are sinners. The real question is do we recognize and repent for our sins. I can't believe that you do not understand that "real" Christians sin, usually a lot over the course of they life time. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-06-18   19:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #99. To: CZ82 (#97) That is becuase we are all less than perfect and are all sinners. Fortunately for us one stumble doesn't define the entirety of our relationship with God. He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent. Sounds like someone is trying to prop themselves up even though they know they aren't a good person. So they lie to themselves and everyone else to make themselves feel good about themselves. It would be awfully unChristian like for that someone to call you a totally delusional prick. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-06-18   20:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #100. To: SOSO (#99) I wasn't referring to you so don't take it personally. So what you are saying it's alright to be a sinner and as long as you keep apologizing for those sins (what's the idiom for that "lie like an old rug") that you won't be held responsible for those sins?? (Isn't that a good definition of the word delusional)?? I guess I'm not as forgiving as you cause I feel people should be held responsible for their actions. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-06-19   1:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #101. To: CZ82 (#100) Repentance means turning away. So I see what you are saying. But a repentant heart is also a gift of God's Grace. Without God transforming the heart and mind of the sinner, a person is incapable of satisfying Him. Only The Son of God was a Sacrifice pleasing to The Father. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2) redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-19   1:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #102. To: redleghunter, SOSO (#101) 50 years ago I might have been able to grasp that concept but nowadays not so much, and it seems to be getting exponentially worse by the day. So I wonder if guys like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot repented right at the end and were forgiven?? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-06-19   1:50:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #103. To: CZ82 (#102) Jesus Christ pardoned the criminal on the cross next to him. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2) redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-19   17:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #104. To: redleghunter (#103) And what was the criminals sin I'm not sure what it was? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-06-19   18:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #105. To: CZ82 (#100) So what you are saying it's alright to be a sinner and as long as you keep apologizing for those sins (what's the idiom for that "lie like an old rug") that you won't be held responsible for those sins?? (Isn't that a good definition of the word delusional)?? No, delusional is interpreting what I said as you just stated. What about the words "sincerely repent" don't you understand? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-06-19   19:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #106. To: CZ82, redleghunter, Bob Celeste (#102) So I wonder if guys like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot repented right at the end and were forgiven?? You can ask God when you see Him. Does anyone human know exactly when Jesus makes His judgment on us? Is it before the instant of death? After? During? Does He allow one to repent on the death bed or immediately thereafter? People like Bob Celest claims that he knows for certain that he will be going to Heaven. So I gues he can phone in the rest of his life on Earth and not need to worry about his sinning. I have wonder more about the mind set of the Bob's of this world than in Jesus' mercy on us sinners. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-06-19   19:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #107. To: CZ82, redleghunter, SOSO, Bob Celeste (#102) I wonder if guys like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot repented right at the end and were forgiven?? I'd had a Catholic friend pose the very same great question. That's why it's called "Grace"; AMAZING Grace, actually, right? :-) Yes, it blows minds. Answer: YES. Important case and point: As Red alluded to, that criminal from his own cross asked Jesus to remember him, and was promised "Paradise" by the grace of Jesus Himself. Now whether the above infamous serial evil-doers did repent at 11:59:59 PM of their lives and gave it all the Jesus that moment (or beforehand)...God only knows. As to "serial sinners" who claim they "know" the Lord, He *is* going to know their heart, won't He? There's no conning The Almighty. No more touching lyrics of hope to a song than this...because it says it all: Liberator  posted on  2015-06-19   21:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #108. To: SOSO (#105) He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent. To me the word "sincerely" means they are promising to NEVER EVER do something again, not apologizing every other day/week/month for the same transgression. (After awhile that persons word has little meaning anymore). Sooner or later people have to start using their "big head" to think all the time instead of using the "little head" on the weekends. I know that's a stretch for most people in today's world but not that many years ago "your word was your bond"!! “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-06-19   21:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #109. To: Liberator (#107) Yes, it blows minds. Answer: YES. To me there are some sins that are unforgivable BTA that's just me. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-06-19   21:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #110. To: Liberator, CZ82, redleghunter, SOSO, Bob Celeste (#107) No more touching lyrics of hope to a song than this...because it says it all: Where's the beef? buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-19   21:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #111. To: CZ82 (#108) To me the word "sincerely" means they are promising to NEVER EVER do something again...................... Well now, I didn't realize that I was communicating with a nearly perfect being, second only to Christ. I am humbled to be in the pre4sence of one that has never committed the same sin twice. Please forgive me for doubting your high holiness. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-06-19   23:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #112. To: buckeroo (#110) What would you like chuck, rib eye, sirloin, NY strip??? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-06-20   7:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #113. To: SOSO (#111) (Edited) Well now, I didn't realize that I was communicating with a nearly perfect being, second only to Christ. I am humbled to be in the pre4sence of one that has never committed the same sin twice. Please forgive me for doubting your high holiness. You sound just like a woman I know that when she does/says something dumb she lashes out with those same words at others instead of fixing the problem. Weren't you introduced to the 10 Commandments? Haven't you ever heard of "Being all you can be"? Integrity? Honesty? Loyalty? Hard working? Persistent? Courage? Accountability? Lead by example? Nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean you can't try to be the best person you can be. Not many people that I know have gotten ahead in the world by being a walking talking disaster area. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-06-20   7:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #114. To: CZ82 (#109) To me there are some sins that are unforgivable BTA that's just me. I respect and understand that; I was once there. If we as humans were doing the Judging by our own standards, that would be the case for sure. Some of us have a hard enough time even forgiving ourselves. Good thing God does the righteous judging :-) God's game, God's rules and regs: ZERO sins are allowed in His Kingdom. Small, medium, large. One or a million -- no difference, it's all unclean. A sinless Christ (as man) was sacrificed on that cross to pick of the tab for ALL who repent and ask Jesus into their heart...BEFORE DEATH. That gift of forgiveness and un-earned mercy is offered even for the least as well as absolute worst and most egregious sinner. This is not easy to wrap one's head around...sometimes it takes time; I get it. Maybe it's better articulated below, while using the scripture of the thief on the cross crucified along with Jesus: (Source: http://markdroberts.com/?p=804): Luke 23:39-43 39 One of the criminals who were hanged there kept deriding him and saying, “Are you not the Messiah? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed have been condemned justly, for we are getting what we deserve for our deeds, but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 He replied, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” Luke 23:39-43 has often perplexed Christians who believe that salvation comes only by explicitly confessing Jesus as Savior and Lord. “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom” hardly fits the bill here. Whatever the desperate thief believed about Jesus, it’s unlikely that he prayed the sinner’s prayer while on his cross. And we have no reason to believe that Jesus straightened out the thief’s theology before offering the promise of Paradise. No, what we have in the text of Luke is a cry of minimal faith and maximal desperation. And what we have from the mouth of Jesus is a response of extraordinary mercy. It would be unwise to build a whole theology of salvation on the basis of this single passage from Luke. And it would be unwise to build a theology of salvation without taking seriously this passage. Whatever else, it reminds us that God is “rich in mercy” (Ephesians 2:4). God saves us, not because we earn it, not because we deserve it, not because we say the right words and pray the right prayers, and not even because we get our theology right, but because God is full of mercy, mercy revealed and poured out through Jesus Christ, mercy that says to a thief: “Today you will be with me in Paradise.” Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   10:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #115. To: buckeroo (#110) Where's the beef? Do you really see nothing on this plate, Buck? Did you actually make an effort to read the words of that entire 'Amazing Grace' vid but couldn't quite understand it? You certainly aren't alone. Many bright, highly intelligent moral people don't understand it either. You've maintained that the Gospel and God are a "Fairy Tale"; I disbelieve your position on this. I say this with all sincerity -- I pray for you and others here to understand "Grace" as well as seeking (and finding) eventual faith in Jesus. I sense part of you does indeed want to understand. If you've that "Faith of a mustard seed," you've one foot in the door already. Complete the circuit. "Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.... Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.... Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   11:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #116. To: Liberator (#115) "Grace" is nothing more than "hope" or otherwise known as "solace" for the masses. If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale. buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-20   11:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #117. To: CZ82, SOSO (#108) (Edited) "He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent." To me the word "sincerely" means they are promising to NEVER EVER do something again, not apologizing every other day/week/month for the same transgression. (After awhile that persons word has little meaning anymore). Good debate, gents. Legit points made by both. I guess what's at stake here are definitions. And degree of those sinning but playing "I'm saved!, I repent/I apologize" card as an infinite mulligan. The question is probably more about whether that milligan-addicted person has ever truly been sincere about their personal repentance and commitment to God. Or acted in premeditated manners of sin and evil, rationalizing that their tab is picked up by Jesus...no matter what. And yes, it doesn't escape me that in the meantime some "Saved Christians" are serial hypocrites and serial liars, creating havoc, causing needless suffering in this world. True justice and righteous judgement will not be served in this world. The Lord will have the last word. Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   11:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #118. To: buckeroo (#116) "Grace" is nothing more than "hope" or otherwise known as "solace" for the masses. No, you're still not getting it (btw, it's "opiate of the masses" ;-) If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale. By "system," are you referring simply to the Gospel? Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   11:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #119. To: buckeroo (#116) I'll ask again; Did you actually make an effort to read and contemplate the words of that entire 'Amazing Grace' vid? What exactly is it about the "system of Christianity" that you find "unbelievable"? Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   11:28:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #120. To: Liberator (#118) By "system," are you referring simply to the Gospel? No. Your belief system of and about Christianity. It is not the same for anyone, no matter what they say. Christianity is subjective and is an interpreted religion. That is why there are so many Christian Churches around the world. buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-20   11:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #121. To: buckeroo (#116) If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale. I'm staring at this sentence/thought of yours and trying to comprehend it. There is no more "special" belief system than the simple message of the Gospel. I'm not sure if it's a matter of absolute disbelief for you that the existence of God is not only possible but probably; the existence of Jesus Christ as Savior is possible, as well as the absolution of sins (and Grace.) Or do you find it all too simple a road to the Kingdom of God? How do you intellectually explain away the prophecies fulfilled in the Bible? As MORE "faerie tales"?? If so, how and why could you believe any "history" at all? What's seemed impossible since I was a young tot to me was that this world was created -- NOT only out of thin air, but with no rhyme, reason, guidance, purpose, function, OR reason. Nothing BUT the Bible addresses ALL of it. From the beginning to the end. Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   11:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #122. To: buckeroo (#120) Christianity is subjective and is an interpreted religion. That is why there are so many Christian Churches around the world. The "Christianity" of Jesus Christ Himself and His Apostles isn't subjective at all. That's all that matters. The different sects of Christian churches are all going to agree on this one fundamental: John 3:16. Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   11:53:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #123. To: Liberator (#121) (Edited) There is no more "special" belief system than the simple message of the Gospel. What is so simple about it, that Christians have for two thousand years created some of the most frightening terrorist atrocities to mankind on the planet? An example: ever hear of the thirty year war in Europe? Or do you find it all too simple a road to the Kingdom of God? I question the concept, "Kingdom of God;" in fact, I think it is pure make-believe dogma that was (and is still used to this day) to control the poor masses while they were beat to death as slaves, serfs or tax payers. How do you intellectually explain away the prophecies fulfilled in the Bible? There are no prophecies fulfilled by the Bible. It is all faerie tales. As MORE "faerie tales"? Yup. If so, how and why could you believe any "history" at all? History is based on FACTS; I can assess the truth or probable truth to any claim at any tyme using critical thinking techniques to understand the objectivity about the claim. Religion and other themes are based on myth. That is a far departure from objective FACT. What's seemed impossible since I was a young tot to me was that this world was created -- NOT only out of thin air, but with no rhyme, reason, guidance, purpose, function, OR reason. Nothing BUT the Bible addresses ALL of it. From the beginning to the end. To use a word, "poppy-cock." buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-20   12:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #124. To: buckeroo (#123) What is so simple about it, that Christians have for two thousand years created some of the most frightening terrorist atrocities to mankind on the planet? An example: ever hear of the thirty year war in Europe? You mean SO-CALLED "Christians." In NO way did the Gospel of Jesus Christ ever endorse, advocate or teach coercion, murder, or war in His name. You acknowledge and understand *that,* right? All that said, it has been the tenets and principles of true Christianity that has produced the best of mankind. In ALL ways, from law, to compassion, to liberty, to merit-based wealth, to (most importantly)...Salvation. I question the concept, "Kingdom of God;" in fact, I think it is pure make-believe dogma that was (and is still used to this day) to control the poor masses while they were beat to death as slaves, serfs or tax payers. Fair enough. But who is "they"? Jesus Christ and His Apostle and Disciples? Are you telling me they ALL died horrible deaths in the name of a Lie ...for a tyrannical state? Makes NO sense at all. The "Kingdom of God" - as well as Jesus Christ, the eyewitness accounts of the Apostles, the miracles, and fulfilled prophesies -- how can you be so sure that ALL of it is one big fat lying conspiracy? How can you be sure that it's not *you* being duped? There are no prophecies fulfilled by the Bible. It is all faerie tales. With all due respect, if this is really your position, you're ignorant of the prophecies fulfilled as well as scripture that supports them. History is based on FACTS; I can assess the truth or probable truth to any claim at any tyme using critical thinking techniques to understand the objectivity about the claim. And...ergo, in your opinion, the entire Bible, including eyewitness the testimony of the Apostles are...lies?? What "critical thinking" and "techniques" would preclude you from believing the fidelity of biblical history if you're ignorant of the claims of the Bible? How can you claim honestly "objectivity" if you've discounted and dismissed ALL of the historical accounts and testimony documented Bible? Religion and other themes are based on myth. That is a far departure from objective FACT. Most religions ARE based on myth. Christianity is based on factual history, supported by multiple sources of eyewitness testimony. Be that as it may, what is your credible source(s) for which you believe are the actual and factually documented "history"? Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   12:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #125. To: Liberator (#124) You mean SO-CALLED "Christians." In NO way did the Gospel of Jesus Christ ever endorse, advocate or teach coercion, murder, or war in His name. You acknowledge and understand *that,* right? Are you saying Martin Luther had *NOTHING* to do with the thirty year's war? Are you saying he did not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ? .. you're ignorant of the prophecies fulfilled as well as scripture that supports them. Explain just one prophesy that has been fulfilled. .. in your opinion, the entire Bible, including eyewitness the testimony of the Apostles are...lies?? No, mere faerie tales built upon myth, gossip and innuendo, besides hand-me-down chit-chat through generations of ignorant slaves. What "critical thinking" and "techniques" would preclude you from believing the fidelity of biblical history if you're ignorant of the claims of the Bible? How can you claim honestly "objectivity" if you've discounted and dismissed ALL of the historical accounts and testimony documented Bible? "Fidelity of biblical history" is based on faith or belief; it is not based on supporting data that is substantiated through not just documented records but also supporting data that affirms objective evidence. Most religions ARE based on myth. Christianity is based on factual history, supported by multiple sources of eyewitness testimony. I see that Christianity is an exception to the rule based on your opinion. Are there any myths contained in the Christian belief system? Is there at least one myth, in your opinion? Be that as it may, what is your credible source(s) for which you believe are the actual and factually documented "history"? I don't believe in history or anything other than I hope or believe that a better future for my family, friends, business colleagues and acquaintances may exist. buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-20   13:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #126. To: buckeroo (#125) I don't believe in history or anything other than I hope or believe that a better future for my family, friends, business colleagues and acquaintances may exist. Not much to hang your hat on :-( I see that Christianity is an exception to the rule based on your opinion. My opinion is based on time-tested fact and testimony, faith and observation. Are there any myths contained in the Christian belief system? Is there at least one myth, in your opinion? No. (Do you have one or two in mind I should know about?) Are you saying Martin Luther had *NOTHING* to do with the thirty year's war? Are you saying he did not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Though Martin Luther believed in the Gospel, he was grossly misguided, erred and sinned greatly (Has the Thirty Years War greatly affected your faith?) That said, you still won't find a single word or message attributed to Jesus Christ OR his Apostles that endorse faith in the Gospel thru coercion, threats, or murder. But you know that already. Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   13:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #127. To: buckeroo (#125) Explain just one prophesy that has been fulfilled. Seriously?? Liberator  posted on  2015-06-20   13:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #128. To: Liberator (#126) Not much to hang your hat on :-( About as much as your "grace." So, there is little advantage for any of us, is there? My opinion is based on time-tested fact and testimony, faith and observation. What are the relative percentages of your opinion: 1) fact, 2) testimony, 3) faith and 4) observations? While responding about any myths within Christianity, Liberator claims: No. (Do you have one or two in mind I should know about?) Though Martin Luther believed in the Gospel, he was grossly misguided, erred and sinned greatly (Has the Thirty Years War greatly affected your faith?) That said, you still won't find a single word or message attributed to Jesus Christ OR his Apostles that endorse faith in the Gospel thru coercion, threats, or murder. But you know that already. Liberator -- are you a Catholic? buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-20   13:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #129. To: Liberator (#127) Please explain one prophesy that has been fulfilled based on the contents of the Christian Bible. There are many versions of the Bible, too. So feel free to pick or choose the Bible that you want to quote the prophesy. buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-20   13:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #130. To: buckeroo (#110) Where's the beef? If one orders chicken they will not get beef. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2) redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-20   14:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #131. To: redleghunter (#130) Are you sayin' that I went to the wrong fast food restaurant where there is no "grace" but only "hope?" buckeroo  posted on  2015-06-20   14:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #132. To: CZ82 (#113) Weren't you introduced to the 10 Commandments? Haven't you ever heard of "Being all you can be"? Integrity? Honesty? Loyalty? Hard working? Persistent? Courage? Accountability? Lead by example? Nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean you can't try to be the best person you can be. Not many people that I know have gotten ahead in the world by being a walking talking disaster area. And you sound like the arrogrant prick that you are but now adding stupid to the mix. No I never heard of the 10 Commandments, blah lah blah........ потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-06-20   16:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #133. To: buckeroo, ALL (#116) "Grace" is nothing more than "hope" or otherwise known as "solace" for the masses. If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale. Wrong, wrong,wrong, wrong wrong, DEAD WRONG! Christianity is UNIQUE, because Jesus Christ is UNIQUE. And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6 GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-21   0:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #134. To: buckeroo, ALL (#125) (Edited) Fidelity of biblical history" is based on faith or belief; it is not based on supporting data that is substantiated through not just documented records but also supporting data that affirms objective evidence. You're still driving off a 10,000 foot cliff. The historical facts of Christianity are for the most part true, albeit there are a few elements which are not true, but are easily dismissed if one is honestly seeking the truth. Truth points to Jesus Christ, and until you accept Him as Lord and Savior you will remain spiritually dead. And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6 GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-21   1:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #135. To: buckeroo, ALL (#125) (Edited) "Fidelity of biblical history" is based on faith or belief; it is not based on supporting data that is substantiated through not just documented records but also supporting data that affirms objective evidence. You're very confused. Evidence is objective, but proof is subjective. Let me paint a picture for you. One thousand people see a historical event take place. In a court of law each one describes that event from his/her point of view. You will likely be able to dismiss some of the witnesses as not credible. You almost certainly will find variations in what the witnesses saw, because they are looking at it from different perspectives. That point is always true with eyewitness accounts. What you are missing is there is overwhelming objective evidence from hundreds of credible eyewitnesses to the person of Jesus Christ being what He did and what He said being true. Your rebuttals are nothing more than smoke and mirrors. And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined* in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. Psalm 12:6 GarySpFC  posted on  2015-06-21   1:45:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #136. To: SOSO (#132) Ahhh... so you think what all I listed is "optional"?? Ok now I see your point of view. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.â€� CZ82  posted on  2015-06-21   11:09:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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