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Title: Pope Francis warns of destruction of Earth's ecosystem in leaked encyclical
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The Guardian
URL Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/20 ... on-ecosystem-leaked-encyclical
Published: Jun 16, 2015
Author: Stephanie Kirchgaessner & John Hooper
Post Date: 2015-06-16 14:37:17 by redleghunter
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Pope Francis will this week call for changes in lifestyles and energy consumption to avert the “unprecedented destruction of the ecosystem” before the end of this century, according to a leaked draft of a papal encyclical. In a document released by an Italian magazine on Monday, the pontiff will warn that failure to act would have “grave consequences for all of us”. Francis also called for a new global political authority tasked with “tackling … the reduction of pollution and the development of poor countries and regions”. His appeal echoed that of his predecessor, pope Benedict XVI, who in a 2009 encyclical proposed a kind of super-UN to deal with the world’s economic problems and injustices. According to the lengthy draft, which was obtained and published by L’Espresso magazine, the Argentinean pope will align himself with the environmental movement and its objectives. While accepting that there may be some natural causes of global warming, the pope will also state that climate change is mostly a man-made problem. Poster Comment: NWO Pope....
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#92. To: CZ82, Liberator, SOSO (#72)
If this isn't true then there are a lot of people ignoring their faith by voting for these jokers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Such wisdom from an old AF NCO! You hit that one out of the ball park. So yes, following Christ is NOT about SELF. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Bravo. Well stated. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Wearing the 'white' version of the Emperor Palpatine garb to boot. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
This is really a silly question. Of course they would at times. We all would at times. That is becuase we are all less than perfect and are all sinners. Fortunately for us one stumble doesn't define the entirety of our relationship with God. He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Why? This is like saying integrity means nothing. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Sounds like someone is trying to prop themselves up even though they know they aren't a good person. So they lie to themselves and everyone else to make themselves feel good about themselves. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
This is really a silly question. Why? This is like saying integrity means nothing. I explained why. It's because we all are sinners. The real question is do we recognize and repent for our sins. I can't believe that you do not understand that "real" Christians sin, usually a lot over the course of they life time. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
That is becuase we are all less than perfect and are all sinners. Fortunately for us one stumble doesn't define the entirety of our relationship with God. He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent. Sounds like someone is trying to prop themselves up even though they know they aren't a good person. So they lie to themselves and everyone else to make themselves feel good about themselves. It would be awfully unChristian like for that someone to call you a totally delusional prick. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I wasn't referring to you so don't take it personally. So what you are saying it's alright to be a sinner and as long as you keep apologizing for those sins (what's the idiom for that "lie like an old rug") that you won't be held responsible for those sins?? (Isn't that a good definition of the word delusional)?? I guess I'm not as forgiving as you cause I feel people should be held responsible for their actions. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Repentance means turning away. So I see what you are saying. But a repentant heart is also a gift of God's Grace. Without God transforming the heart and mind of the sinner, a person is incapable of satisfying Him. Only The Son of God was a Sacrifice pleasing to The Father. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
50 years ago I might have been able to grasp that concept but nowadays not so much, and it seems to be getting exponentially worse by the day. So I wonder if guys like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot repented right at the end and were forgiven?? “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Jesus Christ pardoned the criminal on the cross next to him.
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
And what was the criminals sin I'm not sure what it was?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
No, delusional is interpreting what I said as you just stated. What about the words "sincerely repent" don't you understand? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
You can ask God when you see Him. Does anyone human know exactly when Jesus makes His judgment on us? Is it before the instant of death? After? During? Does He allow one to repent on the death bed or immediately thereafter? People like Bob Celest claims that he knows for certain that he will be going to Heaven. So I gues he can phone in the rest of his life on Earth and not need to worry about his sinning. I have wonder more about the mind set of the Bob's of this world than in Jesus' mercy on us sinners. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I'd had a Catholic friend pose the very same great question. That's why it's called "Grace"; AMAZING Grace, actually, right? :-) Yes, it blows minds. Answer: YES. Important case and point: As Red alluded to, that criminal from his own cross asked Jesus to remember him, and was promised "Paradise" by the grace of Jesus Himself. Now whether the above infamous serial evil-doers did repent at 11:59:59 PM of their lives and gave it all the Jesus that moment (or beforehand)...God only knows. As to "serial sinners" who claim they "know" the Lord, He *is* going to know their heart, won't He? There's no conning The Almighty. No more touching lyrics of hope to a song than this...because it says it all:
To me the word "sincerely" means they are promising to NEVER EVER do something again, not apologizing every other day/week/month for the same transgression. (After awhile that persons word has little meaning anymore). Sooner or later people have to start using their "big head" to think all the time instead of using the "little head" on the weekends. I know that's a stretch for most people in today's world but not that many years ago "your word was your bond"!! “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
To me there are some sins that are unforgivable BTA that's just me. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Where's the beef?
Well now, I didn't realize that I was communicating with a nearly perfect being, second only to Christ. I am humbled to be in the pre4sence of one that has never committed the same sin twice. Please forgive me for doubting your high holiness. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
What would you like chuck, rib eye, sirloin, NY strip???
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You sound just like a woman I know that when she does/says something dumb she lashes out with those same words at others instead of fixing the problem. Weren't you introduced to the 10 Commandments? Haven't you ever heard of "Being all you can be"? Integrity? Honesty? Loyalty? Hard working? Persistent? Courage? Accountability? Lead by example? Nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean you can't try to be the best person you can be. Not many people that I know have gotten ahead in the world by being a walking talking disaster area. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I respect and understand that; I was once there. If we as humans were doing the Judging by our own standards, that would be the case for sure. Some of us have a hard enough time even forgiving ourselves. Good thing God does the righteous judging :-) God's game, God's rules and regs: ZERO sins are allowed in His Kingdom. Small, medium, large. One or a million -- no difference, it's all unclean. A sinless Christ (as man) was sacrificed on that cross to pick of the tab for ALL who repent and ask Jesus into their heart...BEFORE DEATH. That gift of forgiveness and un-earned mercy is offered even for the least as well as absolute worst and most egregious sinner. This is not easy to wrap one's head around...sometimes it takes time; I get it. Maybe it's better articulated below, while using the scripture of the thief on the cross crucified along with Jesus: (Source: http://markdroberts.com/?p=804): 39 One of the criminals who were hanged there kept deriding him and saying, “Are you not the Messiah? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed have been condemned justly, for we are getting what we deserve for our deeds, but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 He replied, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” Luke 23:39-43 has often perplexed Christians who believe that salvation comes only by explicitly confessing Jesus as Savior and Lord. “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom” hardly fits the bill here. Whatever the desperate thief believed about Jesus, it’s unlikely that he prayed the sinner’s prayer while on his cross. And we have no reason to believe that Jesus straightened out the thief’s theology before offering the promise of Paradise. No, what we have in the text of Luke is a cry of minimal faith and maximal desperation. And what we have from the mouth of Jesus is a response of extraordinary mercy. It would be unwise to build a whole theology of salvation on the basis of this single passage from Luke. And it would be unwise to build a theology of salvation without taking seriously this passage. Whatever else, it reminds us that God is “rich in mercy” (Ephesians 2:4). God saves us, not because we earn it, not because we deserve it, not because we say the right words and pray the right prayers, and not even because we get our theology right, but because God is full of mercy, mercy revealed and poured out through Jesus Christ, mercy that says to a thief: “Today you will be with me in Paradise.”
Do you really see nothing on this plate, Buck? Did you actually make an effort to read the words of that entire 'Amazing Grace' vid but couldn't quite understand it? You certainly aren't alone. Many bright, highly intelligent moral people don't understand it either. You've maintained that the Gospel and God are a "Fairy Tale"; I disbelieve your position on this. I say this with all sincerity -- I pray for you and others here to understand "Grace" as well as seeking (and finding) eventual faith in Jesus. I sense part of you does indeed want to understand. If you've that "Faith of a mustard seed," you've one foot in the door already. Complete the circuit. "Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.... Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God....
"Grace" is nothing more than "hope" or otherwise known as "solace" for the masses. If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale.
To me the word "sincerely" means they are promising to NEVER EVER do something again, not apologizing every other day/week/month for the same transgression. (After awhile that persons word has little meaning anymore). Good debate, gents. Legit points made by both. I guess what's at stake here are definitions. And degree of those sinning but playing "I'm saved!, I repent/I apologize" card as an infinite mulligan. The question is probably more about whether that milligan-addicted person has ever truly been sincere about their personal repentance and commitment to God. Or acted in premeditated manners of sin and evil, rationalizing that their tab is picked up by Jesus...no matter what. And yes, it doesn't escape me that in the meantime some "Saved Christians" are serial hypocrites and serial liars, creating havoc, causing needless suffering in this world. True justice and righteous judgement will not be served in this world. The Lord will have the last word.
No, you're still not getting it (btw, it's "opiate of the masses" ;-) If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale. By "system," are you referring simply to the Gospel?
I'll ask again; Did you actually make an effort to read and contemplate the words of that entire 'Amazing Grace' vid? What exactly is it about the "system of Christianity" that you find "unbelievable"?
No. Your belief system of and about Christianity. It is not the same for anyone, no matter what they say. Christianity is subjective and is an interpreted religion. That is why there are so many Christian Churches around the world.
I'm staring at this sentence/thought of yours and trying to comprehend it. There is no more "special" belief system than the simple message of the Gospel. I'm not sure if it's a matter of absolute disbelief for you that the existence of God is not only possible but probably; the existence of Jesus Christ as Savior is possible, as well as the absolution of sins (and Grace.) Or do you find it all too simple a road to the Kingdom of God? How do you intellectually explain away the prophecies fulfilled in the Bible? As MORE "faerie tales"?? If so, how and why could you believe any "history" at all? What's seemed impossible since I was a young tot to me was that this world was created -- NOT only out of thin air, but with no rhyme, reason, guidance, purpose, function, OR reason. Nothing BUT the Bible addresses ALL of it. From the beginning to the end.
The "Christianity" of Jesus Christ Himself and His Apostles isn't subjective at all. That's all that matters. The different sects of Christian churches are all going to agree on this one fundamental: John 3:16.
What is so simple about it, that Christians have for two thousand years created some of the most frightening terrorist atrocities to mankind on the planet? An example: ever hear of the thirty year war in Europe? I question the concept, "Kingdom of God;" in fact, I think it is pure make-believe dogma that was (and is still used to this day) to control the poor masses while they were beat to death as slaves, serfs or tax payers. There are no prophecies fulfilled by the Bible. It is all faerie tales. Yup. History is based on FACTS; I can assess the truth or probable truth to any claim at any tyme using critical thinking techniques to understand the objectivity about the claim. Religion and other themes are based on myth. That is a far departure from objective FACT. To use a word, "poppy-cock."
You mean SO-CALLED "Christians." In NO way did the Gospel of Jesus Christ ever endorse, advocate or teach coercion, murder, or war in His name. You acknowledge and understand *that,* right? All that said, it has been the tenets and principles of true Christianity that has produced the best of mankind. In ALL ways, from law, to compassion, to liberty, to merit-based wealth, to (most importantly)...Salvation. I question the concept, "Kingdom of God;" in fact, I think it is pure make-believe dogma that was (and is still used to this day) to control the poor masses while they were beat to death as slaves, serfs or tax payers. Fair enough. But who is "they"? Jesus Christ and His Apostle and Disciples? Are you telling me they ALL died horrible deaths in the name of a Lie ...for a tyrannical state? Makes NO sense at all. The "Kingdom of God" - as well as Jesus Christ, the eyewitness accounts of the Apostles, the miracles, and fulfilled prophesies -- how can you be so sure that ALL of it is one big fat lying conspiracy? How can you be sure that it's not *you* being duped? There are no prophecies fulfilled by the Bible. It is all faerie tales. With all due respect, if this is really your position, you're ignorant of the prophecies fulfilled as well as scripture that supports them. History is based on FACTS; I can assess the truth or probable truth to any claim at any tyme using critical thinking techniques to understand the objectivity about the claim. And...ergo, in your opinion, the entire Bible, including eyewitness the testimony of the Apostles are...lies?? What "critical thinking" and "techniques" would preclude you from believing the fidelity of biblical history if you're ignorant of the claims of the Bible? How can you claim honestly "objectivity" if you've discounted and dismissed ALL of the historical accounts and testimony documented Bible? Religion and other themes are based on myth. That is a far departure from objective FACT. Most religions ARE based on myth. Christianity is based on factual history, supported by multiple sources of eyewitness testimony. Be that as it may, what is your credible source(s) for which you believe are the actual and factually documented "history"?
Are you saying Martin Luther had *NOTHING* to do with the thirty year's war? Are you saying he did not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Explain just one prophesy that has been fulfilled. No, mere faerie tales built upon myth, gossip and innuendo, besides hand-me-down chit-chat through generations of ignorant slaves. "Fidelity of biblical history" is based on faith or belief; it is not based on supporting data that is substantiated through not just documented records but also supporting data that affirms objective evidence. I see that Christianity is an exception to the rule based on your opinion. Are there any myths contained in the Christian belief system? Is there at least one myth, in your opinion? I don't believe in history or anything other than I hope or believe that a better future for my family, friends, business colleagues and acquaintances may exist.
Not much to hang your hat on :-( I see that Christianity is an exception to the rule based on your opinion. My opinion is based on time-tested fact and testimony, faith and observation. Are there any myths contained in the Christian belief system? Is there at least one myth, in your opinion? No. (Do you have one or two in mind I should know about?) Are you saying Martin Luther had *NOTHING* to do with the thirty year's war? Are you saying he did not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Though Martin Luther believed in the Gospel, he was grossly misguided, erred and sinned greatly (Has the Thirty Years War greatly affected your faith?) That said, you still won't find a single word or message attributed to Jesus Christ OR his Apostles that endorse faith in the Gospel thru coercion, threats, or murder. But you know that already.
Seriously??
About as much as your "grace." So, there is little advantage for any of us, is there? What are the relative percentages of your opinion: 1) fact, 2) testimony, 3) faith and 4) observations? While responding about any myths within Christianity, Liberator claims: Liberator -- are you a Catholic?
Please explain one prophesy that has been fulfilled based on the contents of the Christian Bible. There are many versions of the Bible, too. So feel free to pick or choose the Bible that you want to quote the prophesy.
If one orders chicken they will not get beef. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Are you sayin' that I went to the wrong fast food restaurant where there is no "grace" but only "hope?"
Nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean you can't try to be the best person you can be. Not many people that I know have gotten ahead in the world by being a walking talking disaster area. And you sound like the arrogrant prick that you are but now adding stupid to the mix. No I never heard of the 10 Commandments, blah lah blah........ потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestSo I guess my question is would a truly religious person do the things our politicians do with legislation that only benefit themselves and their ambition for power??? (They're knowingly screwing their constituency/fellow man all so they can feel good about themselves). I was under the impression that the word of God meant you are supposed to act in a way that benefits everyone??
#93. To: Liberator, redleghunter (#71)
"Mainstream" Christianity is a compromised river of polluted Christianity diverted to Hell.
#94. To: TooConservative (#79)
#95. To: CZ82, Liberator, redleghunter (#72)
So I guess my question is would a truly religious person do the things our politicians do with legislation that only benefit themselves and their ambition for power???
#96. To: SOSO (#95)
This is really a silly question.
#97. To: SOSO, redleghunter, Liberator (#95)
That is becuase we are all less than perfect and are all sinners. Fortunately for us one stumble doesn't define the entirety of our relationship with God. He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent.
#98. To: CZ82 (#96)
#99. To: CZ82 (#97)
#100. To: SOSO (#99)
#101. To: CZ82 (#100)
#102. To: redleghunter, SOSO (#101)
#103. To: CZ82 (#102)
#104. To: redleghunter (#103)
#105. To: CZ82 (#100)
So what you are saying it's alright to be a sinner and as long as you keep apologizing for those sins (what's the idiom for that "lie like an old rug") that you won't be held responsible for those sins?? (Isn't that a good definition of the word delusional)??
#106. To: CZ82, redleghunter, Bob Celeste (#102)
So I wonder if guys like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot repented right at the end and were forgiven??
#107. To: CZ82, redleghunter, SOSO, Bob Celeste (#102)
I wonder if guys like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot repented right at the end and were forgiven??
#108. To: SOSO (#105)
He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent.
#109. To: Liberator (#107)
Yes, it blows minds. Answer: YES.
#110. To: Liberator, CZ82, redleghunter, SOSO, Bob Celeste (#107)
No more touching lyrics of hope to a song than this...because it says it all:
#111. To: CZ82 (#108)
To me the word "sincerely" means they are promising to NEVER EVER do something again......................
#112. To: buckeroo (#110)
#113. To: SOSO (#111)
(Edited)
Well now, I didn't realize that I was communicating with a nearly perfect being, second only to Christ. I am humbled to be in the pre4sence of one that has never committed the same sin twice. Please forgive me for doubting your high holiness.
#114. To: CZ82 (#109)
To me there are some sins that are unforgivable BTA that's just me.
Luke 23:39-43
#115. To: buckeroo (#110)
Where's the beef?
#116. To: Liberator (#115)
#117. To: CZ82, SOSO (#108)
(Edited)
"He forgives those that truly repent in their heart, even if we make the same stumble over and over and over again and sincerely repent."
#118. To: buckeroo (#116)
"Grace" is nothing more than "hope" or otherwise known as "solace" for the masses.
#119. To: buckeroo (#116)
#120. To: Liberator (#118)
By "system," are you referring simply to the Gospel?
#121. To: buckeroo (#116)
If you think for a moment that the belief system offered by Christianity is "special" in some way, you are really living a faerie tale.
#122. To: buckeroo (#120)
Christianity is subjective and is an interpreted religion. That is why there are so many Christian Churches around the world.
#123. To: Liberator (#121)
(Edited)
There is no more "special" belief system than the simple message of the Gospel.
Or do you find it all too simple a road to the Kingdom of God?
How do you intellectually explain away the prophecies fulfilled in the Bible?
As MORE "faerie tales"?
If so, how and why could you believe any "history" at all?
What's seemed impossible since I was a young tot to me was that this world was created -- NOT only out of thin air, but with no rhyme, reason, guidance, purpose, function, OR reason. Nothing BUT the Bible addresses ALL of it. From the beginning to the end.
#124. To: buckeroo (#123)
What is so simple about it, that Christians have for two thousand years created some of the most frightening terrorist atrocities to mankind on the planet? An example: ever hear of the thirty year war in Europe?
#125. To: Liberator (#124)
You mean SO-CALLED "Christians." In NO way did the Gospel of Jesus Christ ever endorse, advocate or teach coercion, murder, or war in His name. You acknowledge and understand *that,* right?
.. you're ignorant of the prophecies fulfilled as well as scripture that supports them.
.. in your opinion, the entire Bible, including eyewitness the testimony of the Apostles are...lies??
What "critical thinking" and "techniques" would preclude you from believing the fidelity of biblical history if you're ignorant of the claims of the Bible? How can you claim honestly "objectivity" if you've discounted and dismissed ALL of the historical accounts and testimony documented Bible?
Most religions ARE based on myth. Christianity is based on factual history, supported by multiple sources of eyewitness testimony.
Be that as it may, what is your credible source(s) for which you believe are the actual and factually documented "history"?
#126. To: buckeroo (#125)
I don't believe in history or anything other than I hope or believe that a better future for my family, friends, business colleagues and acquaintances may exist.
#127. To: buckeroo (#125)
Explain just one prophesy that has been fulfilled.
#128. To: Liberator (#126)
Not much to hang your hat on :-(
My opinion is based on time-tested fact and testimony, faith and observation.
No. (Do you have one or two in mind I should know about?)
Though Martin Luther believed in the Gospel, he was grossly misguided, erred and sinned greatly (Has the Thirty Years War greatly affected your faith?) That said, you still won't find a single word or message attributed to Jesus Christ OR his Apostles that endorse faith in the Gospel thru coercion, threats, or murder. But you know that already.
#129. To: Liberator (#127)
#130. To: buckeroo (#110)
Where's the beef?
#131. To: redleghunter (#130)
#132. To: CZ82 (#113)
Weren't you introduced to the 10 Commandments? Haven't you ever heard of "Being all you can be"? Integrity? Honesty? Loyalty? Hard working? Persistent? Courage? Accountability? Lead by example?
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