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Title: Pension tidal wave is about to crash down on taxpayers
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Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p ... -on-taxpayers/article/2565965/
Published: Jun 15, 2015
Author: Steven Malanga
Post Date: 2015-06-16 12:40:45 by Tooconservative
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Views: 7207
Comments: 29
The New Jersey legislature, looking to solve a budget crisis back in 1992, passed a bill that changed some of the accounting principles of the state's government employee pension system. The technical changes, little understood at the time, made the system seem in better financial shape than it actually was, allowing the legislature to reduce contributions for pensions by $1.5 billion over the next two years. Legislators seized those extra dollars and redirected them into other spending. Jersey officials could manipulate their pension system because local governments have latitude in how they run their own retirement plans. So what they did was not unique. Around the country, state and local officials have increasingly discovered over the years that they can exploit the complex and sometimes ill-defined accounting of government pension systems, as well as loopholes in their own laws governing those pensions. Over time, elected officials came to promise workers politically popular new benefits without setting aside the money to pay for them, declared "holidays" from contributions into pension systems and changed their own accounting systems midstream to make the systems seem better funded — all just ways of passing obligations on to future taxpayers. In the process, government pension systems became one of the chief vehicles that state and local politicians used to massage their budgets. Now we face the consequences. Our elected representatives played a deceptive game of chicken with pension funds. And now the chickens have come home to roost. Years of gimmicks and politically motivated benefit increases for government workers have left America's states and municipalities with pension funds that are short at least $1.5 trillion — and possibly as much as $4 trillion if the investment returns of these funds don't live up to expectations in coming years. Just so the word "trillion" does not pass by too quickly, let's put it another way: That shortfall may be $4,000,000,000,000. Taxpayers are already paying the price. Since 2007, states and localities have been forced to increase annual contributions into pensions by $43 billion, or 65 percent, and in various places these rising payments are crowding out other government services or driving taxes higher or both. Retirement debt has even played a crucial role in high-profile government bankruptcies — including in Detroit; Stockton, California; and Central Falls, Rhode Island. Fixing the problem is proving expensive, and it won't happen quickly in places with the worst debt. At the root of the trouble are government pension systems, which today differ vastly from the way they looked when many were created about 100 years ago. Most states and localities initially designed systems based on conservative accounting principles that were meant to provide employees with a modest financial cushion for retirement — pensions calculated to last a few years at best. The country's largest government employee pension, the California Public Employees' Retirement System, or Calpers, was formed in just such a way when it began operating in 1932. The system set the retirement age for employees at 65 years old, at a time when the average worker 21 years of age could expect to live for another 45 years, or until age 66. To reduce risks for the taxpayer, California law limited the pension fund to invest in relatively safe securities, such as U.S. Treasury bonds. Since these investments generally produced modest returns, pensions themselves were modest. A worker retiring after qualifying for a full pension could expect to receive about 55 percent of his final salary in retirement. But as government employees gained political influence, especially through the emergence of public sector unions beginning in the late 1950s, they began lobbying for higher benefits. Politicians looking for a way to satisfy those demands without busting their budgets fashioned changes that made pension systems riskier to taxpayers, who cannot pass the buck on to anyone else. Hoping to generate higher returns, for instance, states and cities began allowing retirement systems to invest in more speculative financial products, such as stocks. Politicians also boosted benefits without genuinely accounting for what that would cost over time. Some people grew worried. A 1978 report to Congress on state and local government retirement plans warned "there is an incomplete assessment of true pension costs at all levels of government," which "impeaches the credibility" of many of the pension plans." Adding that "the potential for abuse is great," the report called for federal regulation of state and local pension plans. But officials in Washington, fretting that legislation regulating state government operations wouldn't be constitutional, instead recommended changes to accounting standards that the states were free to adopt — or ignore. What seemed like an emerging problem receded into the background once the stock market boom began in the 1980s. Assets in pension systems grew rapidly as stocks went on a 20-year run, with just occasional short downturns interrupting the good times. To elected officials and public sector workers, the stock surge seemed to provide free money. Some local governments responded by sharply increasing the benefits they promised. They lowered retirement ages to 50 for public safety workers and to 55 or 60 for other government employees, even as Americans were living longer. They also increased pension paychecks. In California, for instance, legislation in 1999 allowed public safety workers to earn up to 90 percent of their final salary as a pension upon full retirement. States and cities added expensive perks, such as cost-of-living increases. In Illinois, thanks to changes over the years that came to guarantee retirees an annual boost in the value of their pension, a worker retiring with a full pension at age 62 could double his pension over the next 14 years. Governments began granting retirees another costly perquisite — health insurance for life — even though the majority of those governments set no money aside to pay for these promises. The stock boom perversely encouraged politicians to take on ever more risk. Many states and cities, for instance, stopped making meaningful contributions from their budgets into pension funds and instead began borrowing money and depositing it into their retirement systems, betting that their investment managers could generate better returns in the stock market than the cost of interest on the bonds. The move was the equivalent of a worker taking out a home equity loan and placing the money in his IRA to invest for retirement, something no responsible investment adviser would counsel. From the late 1980s through 2009, according to a study by the Boston College Center for Retirement Research, 236 state and local governments issued nearly 3,000 pension bonds totaling $53 billion. In 1998, for instance, New Jersey floated $2.7 billion in debt for its underfunded pension system, agreeing to pay investors back $10 billion over 30 years for the borrowing. Illinois went much further, issuing a whopping $10 billion in bonds in 2003 alone. Financially troubled Detroit, short of cash, floated $1.44 billion in pension bonds in 2005. One perverse consequence of these offerings is that the borrowed money made pension systems seem better funded than they actually were, which provoked further benefit increases. From 1999 to 2003, New Jersey's legislature increased worker benefits 13 times at an additional cost of $5 billion to the pension system. In Detroit, the pension system handed out bonus checks to retirees after the 2005 borrowing, even as the city's finances deteriorated and Detroit spiraled toward bankruptcy. All of this new risk started to unravel pension systems when the stock market stalled, first in 2000 with the end of the technology stock bubble, and then again in late 2001, with the sharp decline in markets after the Sept. 11 attacks, and then again in 2008, when the housing bubble burst. Assets in pension systems plunged, and those with the riskiest investment strategies suffered the most. California's giant Calpers fund had forged heavily into speculative real estate investment starting in the late 1990s. When the mortgage bubble burst in 2008, the fund's real estate portfolio lost nearly half its value. Some government retirement systems, facing severe shortfalls, began demanding greater contributions from governments. San Jose, California, for instance, saw its required pension contributions soar from $72 million annually in 2002 to $250 million by 2012. Short of cash and anxious to keep costs from growing even more, the city began laying off workers, eventually shrinking its workforce by 2,000. Across the country in New York City, pension costs rose from $1.5 billion annually in 2002 to $8.5 billion by 2012. Those increases ate up big chunks of money the city had stashed away during the stock market boom. School districts, where compensation is a significant part of total costs, also faced rapidly growing payments. The Philadelphia school district spent about $35 million of its budget on pensions in 2005; last year pensions cost the Philly schools $155 million. In response, the state legislature allowed Philadelphia to raise taxes by tens of millions of dollars. In some places, politicians unwilling to make tough decisions initially refused to raise payments into pension systems or cut benefits, hoping that some unanticipated stock market boom would solve their funding problems. But such delays only made things worse. In 2010, a state government report warned that California's teacher pension fund was on a "path to insolvency." Not until last year, however, did the state finally resolve to send more money into the system — at a great cost to school districts around the state. Between now and 2020, their payments for pensions will triple, from less than $1 billion in the aggregate annually to more than $3.7 billion. Similarly, after the stock market tanked in 2008 and the country dipped into a deep recession, the Pennsylvania legislature allowed school districts to reduce their contributions into the pension system for teachers. But legislators also resisted cutting the cost of the pension system by reducing benefits. Now the teachers' pension system is so badly funded that the state, under pressure from fiscal watchdogs, has demanded sharply higher contributions from schools equivalent to 16 percent of the teachers' salaries. That's the highest contribution rate in the history of the fund dating back to 1955. Years of similarly steep pension contributions lie ahead. Around the country, taxpayers watching these scenarios unfold began demanding reforms and then electing politicians promising change. But in many places, reformers woke up to a startling reality: Over the years, legislators and state courts had granted unusually strong protections to government worker pensions, far greater than the kinds of protections that private workers enjoy. That has made cutting the cost of pensions difficult, if not impossible, in some places with the deepest debts. In 1974, Congress passed the Employee Retirement Income Security Act to provide standards and protections for private sector pensions. That law, and the way federal courts have interpreted it, protects the pension wealth that a worker has already earned. But an employer has the right to change the rate at which a worker earns pension benefits in the future. And so, an employer who is setting aside the equivalent of 10 percent of a worker's salary toward pensions could decide that next year it will contribute only 5 percent. The worker has the right to accept that, or find other employment. But the ERISA law doesn't apply to state and local pensions. As a result, state legislators and courts have shaped pension law for government employees, and in half of the states, reformers have found it virtually impossible to make any changes to pensions for any current workers, even for work they have yet to do. In Arizona, for instance, a judge in 2012 overturned pension reforms that required state workers to contribute more toward their pensions, ruling that those changes could apply only to new workers. In California, a court undid significant portions of reforms passed by San Jose voters in a 2012 ballot initiative that sought to have workers contribute more toward their retirements. The judge based her decision on previous state court rulings that had said state legislation creating government pensions is a contract with the worker that goes into effect on the first day of the worker's employment — and can't be altered for as long as he works for the government. The problem that governments face in states like this, where virtually any changes to pensions for current workers are banned, is that the cost of paying for benefits that workers are earning is rising even as municipalities struggle to pay off the debt that's already amassed. Consider the case of Sacramento. Its price tag for funding new pension benefits increased by $9 million, or 37 percent, from 2006 to 2013. At the same time, Sacramento's bill for paying off the debt accumulated in its pension funds soared from $12 million in 2006 to $23.4 million in 2013. The net increase from both of those factors amounted to nearly $21 million, or 55 percent, in higher costs in just six years. These laws and rulings that make it difficult to reform pensions have contributed to fiscal meltdowns in places such as Detroit and Stockton. After Detroit came close to running out of money, Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder hired an outside financial manager to study the city's predicament. That emergency manager, Kevyn Orr, said the city's debts, including $3.5 billion in unfunded pension obligations and another $5.7 billion in promises to pay healthcare for retirees, were simply too great for the city to pay off, especially with Michigan's strong protections against any changes to pensions. Orr instead placed Detroit into federal bankruptcy court in 2013, where it's possible to reduce such debt. Employees lost some of their pension and retiree healthcare benefits as a result. Similarly, officials in Stockton spent years enhancing benefits to workers without understanding the debts they were accruing. The city agreed back in the 1990s, for instance, to pay not only its own share of contributions into the pension system, but those of staff, too. It also guaranteed healthcare for life for retirees. "Nobody gave a thought to how it was eventually going to be paid for," said Bob Deis, a financial manager the city hired in 2010 to start clearing up its financial mess. Facing $400 million in pension debt and $450 million in promises for future healthcare, the city declared bankruptcy in 2012. Employees lost some of their perks, like healthcare in retirement, but citizens suffered, too. Trying to save money, the city cut essential services, including the police department, and crime soared. "Welcome to the second most dangerous city in California," said a billboard placed in Stockton around the time of the bankruptcy. Places that cannot reform pensions, or where legislators were slow to act, are inevitably seeing tax increases to finance these steep obligations. In Pennsylvania, 164 school districts applied in 2014 to increase property taxes above the state's 2.1 percent tax cap. Every one of them listed pension costs as a reason for the higher increases. In West Virginia, the state has given cities the right to impose their own sales tax to pay for increased pension costs. Several cities, including Charleston, have already gone ahead with the new tax. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel tried to impose a $250 million property tax increase last year to start wiping out pension debt in the Windy City, where pensions are only 35 percent funded. When the City Council balked, Chicago instead passed $62 million in other taxes, including a levy on cell phone use, as a stopgap measure. But the city faces a pension bill that is scheduled to rise by half a billion dollars annually in 2016. Not every place is facing such fiscal stress. Although the total debt of state and city pensions is worryingly large, the burden is not evenly distributed. Some states and municipalities remained true to responsible accounting principles and didn't increase benefits without funding them. Others moved swiftly to fix problems as soon as they emerged. Utah, for instance, had a pension system that was nearly 100 percent funded in 2007. When its debt rose after the stock market meltdown of 2008, the state quickly enacted reforms for new workers. It created a defined contribution plan, in which workers accumulate money in individual accounts, for new employees, and placed a limit on how much the state would contribute to pensions. Other states, such as Colorado and Rhode Island, have reduced or eliminated annual cost-of-living adjustments. Although these increases, sometimes averaging 3-5 percent annually, can seem small, over time COLAs add significantly to the cost of a pension system, especially since workers can live for 20 years or more after retiring. One 2010 study by two finance professors, Robert Novy-Marx of the University of Rochester and Joshua Rauh of Stanford University, estimated that COLA promises alone account for nearly half of all the state and local pension debt. But digging out of pension debt for other states will be far harder because they're so deep in the mire. A 2013 Moody's report ranked the states with the biggest pension debt relative to their state revenues as Illinois, Connecticut, Kentucky and New Jersey. New Jersey passed pension reform in 2011 that suspended COLAs, required higher contributions by workers toward their pensions and raised retirement ages. But the state, which a decade ago was contributing virtually nothing out of its budget into pensions, still faces rising taxpayer contributions to fix the system. By 2018, Jersey will have to pay about $4 billion a year into pensions, even after the reforms of 2011, so Gov. Chris Christie has proposed new reforms, including closing the current pension system, where workers earn a percentage of their final salary as a pension, and shifting workers into a defined contribution plan similar to what most private workers now enjoy, where they accumulate a pot of money in an individual retirement account. Last week, the Supreme Court said Christie could forego a $1.6 billion pension fund payment. The varying levels of retirement woes among states and cities will produce a landscape of winners and losers. In places with the deepest debt, taxpayers face rising taxes and declining services, which is hardly the sort of place that a family or a business wants to call home. As Emanuel said back in 2012, without reform of its pension system, the city faced a future where "you won't recruit a business, you won't recruit a family to live here." The problem for America is that Chicago is not alone — far from it. Poster Comment: Very long but important piece, lots of background on how these pensions turned into such sinkholes from increased longevity and no retirement age adjustments and the financial shenanigans of governors and legislatures. 
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#1. To: TooConservative (#0)
The current pension system was built when the USA was a manufacturing powerhouse. Since we exported our wealth there is no money left to pay for the pensioner in the long run.
Look at the article. These pension systems were set up assuming that workers would retire at 65 and 90% of the recipients would be dead by age 70. Now about 90% live past 80 and a lot of them retire at 55. They needed to raise retirement age decades back. Another problem was when the pols raided the pension funds for other fun spending projects or declared a contributions "holiday" to curry union members' favor.
I am leary of such statistics. Some people have no more to give after 55 - their job destroyed their body, etc. Retirement age should be flexible based on the jobs involved. Construction worker should retire earlier than someone who worked in an office - but office life can be stressful in its own way, etc. I do think it should be a sliding sclae - payments start out small if your younger and increase as you age - the idea being maybe the pensioner can do part time work in the meantime until 65 hits.
The pension systems should have been reworked to account for it. You're just nibbling around the edges of a very large problem. A $4 trillion deficit at the state level is no small matter. This is primarily a Blue state demographic disaster in the making. Generally, Red states have far less of a problem.
Not when you've told him he can retire at age 50 with 90% of his salary, cost of living increases, and free health insurance.
And there is the problem right there. You will find that every state that has a pension crisis is a state that stole from the pay-in funds to balance budgets in an effort to not raise taxes. If law makers would leave the pension funds alone, they will sustain the payouts. Law makers need to learn how to AXE programs to keep taxes low... not steal from pensions. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
LOL, the above may have been a consideration in 1978 but today??? LOL. Oh, the Lucifer photo of Rhahm E is hilarious too:) But on a serious note... In the 70s we had Jimmah Carter enough said. In the 80s we had the S&L crisis In the 90s we had the tech stock crash and follow on Energy corp crashes In the 2000s we had the Wall St bankster melt down. Perhaps the 2010s will have the pension crisis. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Legislators and governors don't like working to get elected, only to find there's no money to spend. So raiding pension funds in various shady ways is a quick way to shake some money out the tree for the new spending they wanted.
And coming at a time when the feds are struggling under their own vast debt problem. And 100M people aren't working. People don't seem to realize the scale of the problem.
Indeed. When a school teacher retires at 20 years in the job and gets 90-100% of their salary as pension...Houston we have a problem. Not even federal civil servants get that percentage. Stop these expensive pensions and let people invest in their own 401K or IRA. The DoD is going that way. They are getting rid of pensions and setting up 401K type plans. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
The article you posted has been the best synopsis I've seen on the subject. Everyone thinks money is unlimited. Most of the Boomers are sitting in retirement homes now spending all these pension dollars. I saw a report years ago that it won't be until 2020 before the next larger generation (spawns of the Boomers and some of their grand kids) start working and picking up the tab. But that has fallen short already as youngsters are not getting jobs and living in their parents/grandparents basement or attic. Add to it 54,559,615 Abortions Since Roe vs. Wade Decision in 1973 the potential tax payers lost and the nation gets to lay in the bed it made. The linked article is from a Jan 2012 article so the numbers are higher. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
" The current pension system was built when the USA was a manufacturing powerhouse. " " People don't seem to realize the scale of the problem " Both statements are very true. Our nation is going to implode. Anyone that thinks it will not, is just fooling themselves, and in for a very rude awakening! Si vis pacem, para bellum
" People don't seem to realize the scale of the problem " Both statements are very true. Our nation is going to implode. Anyone that thinks it will not, is just fooling themselves, and in for a very rude awakening! In the 80s and 90s all my economic professors stated that free trade would be a boon to the USA - that we would dominate manufacturing and that the market would punish horrible car producers like American car makers at that time. They were right at that time but we never recovered manufacturing back nor did the USA invest in switching over to high tech manufacturing while getting rid of low tech manufacturing like the Germans did (produce more high quality and more expensive goods) to compete with cheap Chinese made junk. The Republicans refused to allocate tax moneies to such programs because it was 'directing the economy' and that could be done by the invisible hand. Meanwhile, Germany invested heavily in helping her industries survive during this free market transition. In the end, the USA screwed up the transition from protected trade to free trade. Lastly, the biggest pushers of free trade are actually the agri-business side which the USA dominates. The US govt pretty much sold off our manufacturing so we could export more woods and grains and hogs and such to the world. That is the real untold story behind the pushers of free trade. It's Monsanto.
Ah yes. Academics and their eloquent grand "theories". Like so many things, sounds good, and looks good on paper. But in practice, reality hits and it is a pile of BS. Every one ignored history. Free trade was part of what diminished the British Empire. Our nation grew strong ignoring such malarkey. We became an industrial giant, that is why we won WWII. The traitors that pushed us into all of the shit sandwich trade deals and "free trade" were the globalist / NWO / CFR / corporatist crowd, doing so as a step towards weakening the USA, to enable the establishment of the NWO. Many will deny that, many will call it a "conspiracy theory", and some will be shocked if they even consider it. No one should be shocked, surprised. Every since the beginning of civilization, there have been men that have dreamed and worked towards controlling / ruling the world, from Alexander the Great, to today. Almighty God Blessed us with a great and exceptional land and opportunity. And in our national ignorance, we, and by our voting, our leaders, have pi$$ed it away. Our nation is on course for one hell of a reckoning!! Si vis pacem, para bellum
No, stop with the NWO stuff. Free trade enables companies and rich people to movie their wealth around and exploit cheap labor overseas. That is all. They may comfort themselves at night with the BS Republican theory of trickle down economics - if the rich get richer they will throw a lot of crumbs around - but it's just BS to fool themselves and the voting base that thinks they are also about to be rich one day - the lotto win is right around the corner. As a former Republican, it is one of the reasons I came to hate the modern GOP and the advocates of trickle down supply side economics and the GOP's base that worships the very rich oligarchs that screwed them over.
And then, before you know it, half the states populace hates LEO's, teachers and fireman because the state stole from them and the pension fund is running the state red. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
If I own a multi million dollar business, and I employ your liberal, complaining ass, pay you 15.00 an hour, and I, as the CEO, take home 800,000 a year, how does that "screw you"? If you can do better, work somewhere else OR START YOUR OWN COMPANY. You socialist troll. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You are a socialist employee who worked for a govt job all his life. You have zero idea what it is to be employed in the private sector. When you get a job working for a private company that you had to write up a resume for, etc rather than pass some BS 'civil service' exam - let me know.
From 18 to 29 years of age, I worked in a family owned business, as a business owner, operating 4 furniture stores throughout the CNY area. I hired and fired employees and worked 7 days a week. I've also worked since last December, in the private sector, part-time, drawing a paycheck. STFU Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You can believe, or disbelieve what ever you want. I will do the same. I will agree that free trade has enabled companies and rich people to movie their wealth around and exploit cheap labor overseas. Yes that is true. However, you are only looking at the micro level, you apparently have no understanding, or appreciation of the macro level, or Big Picture, if you will. You that have eyes, but do not see. Si vis pacem, para bellum
It is way too long to get many readers but I posted it anyway because it is pretty thorough. Yup. And Obama putting record numbers on disability and importing so many Third Worlders to add to the burden makes it even worse. Like Europe, America has avoided responsibilities for a while. Now it is time to pay that piper.
And the liberals who ran the auto industry and their unions, they get none of the blame? You are such a one-note Johnny. Tell me, are the glorious Lefty Dems ever responsible for anything? Thank God the GOP exists so you have someone to heap blame on.
Then you have a reckoning with reality, much as Wisconsin did with its robber-baron teachers' unions. It isn't as though WI voters ever had any real love for Republicans.
The problem was legislative. Instead of creating an arbitrage system where labor and employer can work things out we have a 19th century system of conflict resolution. You say I am a note - I am not - my position is based on real world examples that in many cases the USA created for the occupied Germans and Japanese that never made it here.
I'm surprised he hasn't jumped on the Paultard bandwagon like his Uncle Gatlin. “Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
And Hollyweird and the RIAA and Big Pharma. They want to do to Asia what they've done in America. I don't think Asia will fall for it.
I'm sure the GOP must be to blame, not the Dems who ran the country constantly and set up the labor arbitration boards at the state and federal level. The Japanese never had a real union movement. The German system owed a lot more to Bismarck than to anything America ever did as an occupying power.
Wonder if there is a problem paying the pensions of Presidents, Congressmen, Senators, Governors, State Reps, State Senators, & other high level poo bahs, or is it just the lower level peons that are at risk ?
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Most of them are the fully funded solvent pensions. As are the pensions of top union leaders (who do not use the same pensions as their members). The grunts get the underfunded taxpayers-take-the-fall-for-shortfalls pensions. And we know how the taxpayers will react when they are actually asked to foot that bill. See Wisconsin in recent elections, surely a Blue heartland and the homeland of Big Labor.
#2. To: Pericles (#1)
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#3. To: TooConservative (#2)
Look at the article. These pension systems were set up assuming that workers would retire at 65 and 90% of the recipients would be dead by age 70. Now about 90% live past 80 and a lot of them retire at 55.
#4. To: Pericles (#3)
Some people have no more to give after 55 - their job destroyed their body, etc.
#5. To: Pericles (#1)
"there is no money left to pay for the pensioner in the long run."
#6. To: TooConservative (#0)
The technical changes, little understood at the time, made the system seem in better financial shape than it actually was, allowing the legislature to reduce contributions for pensions by $1.5 billion over the next two years. Legislators seized those extra dollars and redirected them into other spending.
#7. To: TooConservative (#0)
But officials in Washington, fretting that legislation regulating state government operations wouldn't be constitutional
#8. To: GrandIsland (#6)
If law makers would leave the pension funds alone, they will sustain the payouts. Law makers need to learn how to AXE programs to keep taxes low... not steal from pensions.
#9. To: redleghunter (#7)
Perhaps the 2010s will have the pension crisis.
#10. To: TooConservative (#4)
A $4 trillion deficit at the state level is no small matter. This is primarily a Blue state demographic disaster in the making. Generally, Red states have far less of a problem.
#11. To: TooConservative (#9)
People don't seem to realize the scale of the problem.
#12. To: TooConservative (#9)
#13. To: Stoner, TooConservative (#12)
The current pension system was built when the USA was a manufacturing powerhouse. "
#14. To: Pericles, All (#13)
" In the 80s and 90s all my economic professors stated that free trade would be a boon to the USA "
#15. To: Stoner (#14)
(Edited)
The traitors that pushed us into all of the shit sandwich trade deals and "free trade" were the globalist / NWO / CFR / corporatist crowd, doing so as a step towards weakening the USA, to enable the establishment of the NWO.
#16. To: TooConservative (#8)
(Edited)
Legislators and governors don't like working to get elected, only to find there's no money to spend. So raiding pension funds in various shady ways is a quick way to shake some money out the tree for the new spending they wanted.
#17. To: Pericles (#15)
As a former Republican, it is one of the reasons I came to hate the modern GOP and the advocates of trickle down supply side economics and the GOP's base that worships the very rich oligarchs that screwed the
#18. To: GrandIsland (#17)
If I own a multi million dollar business, and I employ your liberal, complaining ass, pay you 15.00 an hour, and I, as the CEO, take home 800,000 a year, how does that "screw you"? If you can do better, work somewhere else OR START YOUR OWN COMPANY. You socialist troll.
#19. To: Pericles (#18)
You are a socialist employee who worked for a govt job all his life. You have zero idea what it is to be employed in the private sector. When you get a job working for a private company that you had to write up a resume for, etc rather than pass some BS 'civil service' exam - let me know.
#20. To: Pericles (#15)
" stop with the NWO stuff "
#21. To: redleghunter (#11)
The article you posted has been the best synopsis I've seen on the subject.
Everyone thinks money is unlimited. Most of the Boomers are sitting in retirement homes now spending all these pension dollars. I saw a report years ago that it won't be until 2020 before the next larger generation (spawns of the Boomers and some of their grand kids) start working and picking up the tab. But that has fallen short already as youngsters are not getting jobs and living in their parents/grandparents basement or attic.
Add to it 54,559,615 Abortions Since Roe vs. Wade Decision in 1973 the potential tax payers lost and the nation gets to lay in the bed it made.
#22. To: Pericles (#13)
The Republicans refused to allocate tax moneies to such programs because it was 'directing the economy' and that could be done by the invisible hand.
#23. To: GrandIsland (#16)
And then, before you know it, half the states populace hates LEO's, teachers and fireman because the state stole from them and the pension fund is running the state red.
#24. To: TooConservative (#22)
#25. To: TooConservative (#22)
Thank God the GOP exists so you have someone to heap blame on.
#26. To: Pericles (#13)
That is the real untold story behind the pushers of free trade. It's Monsanto.
#27. To: Pericles (#24)
Instead of creating an arbitrage system where labor and employer can work things out we have a 19th century system of conflict resolution.
#28. To: TooConservative (#0)
#29. To: Stoner (#28)
(Edited)
Wonder if there is a problem paying the pensions of Presidents, Congressmen, Senators, Governors, State Reps, State Senators, & other high level poo bahs, or is it just the lower level peons that are at risk ?
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