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Title: Here comes Trump; will GOP embrace an outsider?
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URL Source: http://www.macon.com/2015/06/15/379 ... es-trump-will-gop-embrace.html
Published: Jun 16, 2015
Author: DAVID LIGHTMAN
Post Date: 2015-06-16 00:47:22 by A K A Stone
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Views: 16801
Comments: 101
WASHINGTON — Donald Trump’s dream of the White House is built on the belief that America will turn to a can-do outsider, particularly a successful business tycoon, to fix the mess that is Washington. It’s likely just a dream. Voters enjoy candidates full of outrage and without ties to the byzantine, polarized, money-saturated ways of the nation’s capital. Audiences flock to hear and cheer them in New Hampshire, Iowa and elsewhere. And then they usually vote for a more statesmanlike, experienced choice. Trump, 69, the brash New York City-based billionaire businessman and television show host, plans a “major announcement” Tuesday on his presidential intentions. He’s flirted with running before, but this time he appears to be taking the steps needed to formally enter the Republican race. He’d start as a clear underdog and wouldn’t even be the favorite among outsider candidates. Former neurosurgeon Ben Carson’s supporters have spent the last year raising money and building an organization, and former business executive Carly Fiorina has drawn friendly audiences in key primary and caucus states. Trump, like Carson and Fiorina, faces another challenge: No political experience. The last president who had never run for public office was Dwight Eisenhower. While never before elected , he WAS supreme commander of the Allied forces in Europe during World War II.
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#21. To: TooConservative (#20)
I don't think he ever threatened to run. I think he said he was considering it. A threat would be something negative. I think he offers something positive. I prefer Trump to Jeb, Carly, Christie, Kasich, Perry, Carson, ...Well put it this way I prefer him to pretty much all of them.
Donald Trump: "Real Time Net Worth As of 6/16/15; $4.1 Billion" - FORBES.
Donald Trump will declare $9 billion in assets as he reveals 2016 plans http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/exclusive-trump-will-declare-9-billion- net-worth-as-he-reveals-2016-plans/2015/06/15/a00e74c0-137c-11e5-9ddc- e3353542100c_story.html
Trump's polling is just awful, the worst of all GOP candidates. Over 20% of Republicans said they would never vote for him. His unfavorability rating is over 60%. The list of sour stats on Trump is endless. I don't see where you get enough indy or Dem votes for Trump to overcome this huge deficit in the GOP. Keep in mind, even Trump's TV show plays well only in Blue states. Like Christie, he is from a deep Blue state and is primarily popular for his brashness and that is largely centered in Blue east coast states.
Donald Trump will declare $9 billion in assets as he reveals 2016 plans Nothing prevents both from being true. Net worth rarely equals total assets.
I think you are mistaken.
Jeb, Carly, Christie, Kasich, Perry, Carson, ...Well put it this way I prefer him to pretty much all of them. Trump will add an element of surprise to the debates. He might even increase viewership. He's earned a chance to bash Jeb! [Bush] and the rest. He might be able to decrease his negative numbers, by beating up on some of these Rotten Republicans. You are lying again. That isn't what he said. But he wouldn't bend over and take it up the ass from the Chinese as our current leaders do. Like your candidates do. I don't recall the exact curse words Trump used but he used actual curse words in a speech. That sound presidential material to you? I honestly don't understand modern conservatives. The same conservatives that for months would freak out that Obama changed the Oval Office dress rules and wore relaxed clothing / no ties but suddenly (some) conservatives are Ok with a presidential candidate that uses dirty words in campaign speeches. I linke d the Vegas speech from a few years ago. It's a funny speech - and I assume it was made for showbusiness purposes.
Nothing prevents both from being true. Net worth rarely equals total assets. I read that a lot of that is 'real estate' value which in many cases Trump does not own but licensed his name to. Trump is rich of course but there have been questions on exactly how rich he is.
I can believe that....easily.
I will give him that. I would much rather have him negotiating trade deals, than ANY of the current / past leaders, or ANY of the other clowns running! Si vis pacem, para bellum
I'm watching a bit of Trump's speech. Some really funny stuff in there. He's having some fun with shots at Hitlery, Jeb, Obola, etc. He's rich enough that he doesn't care what the hell he says. The media might just enjoy using Trump to gin up some ad wars. They are eager for some bloodletting. We can also recycle some old Trump 2012 graphics. Here's one of a half-dozen Trump White House makeovers.
Yep. Never underestimate the McSheeple's habitual worship of "Created Things". Trump will make a great Pharaoh.
Makes for 'good' television. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
He must have eaten some doughnuts before the speech because he kept spewing some crumbs or spittle when he got a little excited. There seemed to be a crumb hanging on at the right side of his mouth. Drudge: TRUMP: 'I Will Be Greatest Jobs President God Ever Created'... What other candidate could deliver a line like that? : )
14 seasons, actually. And "experts" claim that every season is the last one.
The DNC wasted no time taking a catty potshot.
We are entering the age where running for president will turn into a reality TV show like American Idol. The more outragous a candidate is the more cache they will have.
As a hypothetical.
That is the line! A GOP candidate using that kind of langauge should be a disqualifier for the same Oval Office Reagan was in. I have to ask, will the Chinese respond back to "President Trump" who are you calling a mother fucker? I would not like to see what a billion insulted Chinamen do in response to an insult like that. He recently called all the other candidates "assholes". He had already formed an exploratory committee, showing that his discussion of running this time had grown beyond talk. In the run-up to the announcement, Trump has spoken in his trademark blunt, direct tone about President Barack Obama, Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and Republican candidates, particularly Mario Rubio and Jeb Bush, saying each had made an a------ out of themselves. Read more: http://www.cbs46.com/story/29260228/donald-trump-announces-run-for- president#ixzz3dFAnL7h7 Very presidential, right Stone?
That would be up to the voters, wouldn't it? You must have been disappointed by the fact that he was cheered when he made that statement using "that kind of language".
You must have been disappointed by the fact that he was cheered when he made that statement using "that kind of language". Just using the statements made by the online conservative community that was angry Obama did not wear a tie in office. But it's OK if they use street language in a speech. That uplifts the office of the presidency!
Don't even know why he is wasting his own money to run. He even lost his reality TV fan boys/gals when he bungled that whole Obolo birth certificate presser. He got as far as the 'best' birther and that is not saying much:)
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Seems to happen in some other countries as well. The Republic of Korea (South Korea) usually has some celebrity run for President now and then. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
He should have run third-party or indy. He would have had much more reach. Jumping into a very crowded GOP field makes him look like he's just angling to play kingmaker later, maybe dropping out even before the Iowa caucus. Lots of pundits think that's his plan. An ego like The Donald's won't tolerate a 1%-2% showing in IA or NH too well. He might just be in this to play attack dog on Jeb and Hitlery. Trump is a devious fellow.
a) He wasn't President when he made that speech and b) other Presidents have done far worse and been re-elected.
He played that role in 2012 IIRC. Didn't he 'entertain' Romney at his Trump Towers and a few others and then give a presser about every detail discussed? Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
But, he understands capitalism! U.S. businessman and billionaire Donald Trump announced on Tuesday that he was running for U.S. president in the 2016 election. Indeed. He is refreshing. He has balls. He isn't a wuss who has to ask consultants what he thinks. Fuck the Chinese. You're out of touch. What he says resonates with Americans in the heartland.
Okay, but what's up with that hairdo of his?
Fuck the Chinese. You're out of touch. What he says resonates with Americans in the heartland. Being a shock jock may make you feel well but the president is the head diplomat. Stone, to me you are just the "mad as hell I and I don't want to take it anymore" persona - you don't really want a candidate that can do anything other than voice your anger as a cathartic release.
Trump did not own it. He bailed out of it years ago. Trump received 5% stock in exchange for the use of his name and likeness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Entertainment_Resorts The casino group filed for bankruptcy for the third time in February 2009 owing $1.2 billion. Two sets of debt holders eventually proposed reorganization plans for the group in U.S. bankruptcy court. Trump initially made an agreement with banker/high-stakes poker player Andrew Beal, owner of Beal Bank, which held $500 million in the group's debt, to take over the resorts. However, citing concerns about the bank's experience with gaming, he dropped them in favor of the hedge fund Avenue Capital Management, a plan favored by other bond-holders. Beal then partnered with investor, Carl Icahn, who had worked on restructuring another Atlantic City casino, the Tropicana. In court, Trump argued that he would fight the Icahn/Beal team if they sought to use his name and likeness on the group's properties. Instead he signed an agreement with Avenue Capital in which he would receive 5% stock in the reorganized company and another 5% in exchange for the use of his name and likeness in perpetuity.
We will see if and when he files his financials.
Most interesting, I did not know that. I thought he had ownership until it closed. The guy has to be an astute business man to be where he is today. "He knows when to hold them, when to fold them and when to walk away." (Kenny Rogers - The Gambler). I don't think he will ever be elected, but he just may be the best qualified person to turn this country around.
The RCP poll of polls indicates Trump enters at 9th place. Anyone below 10th when the debates occur, does not make the debates. It's not great, but it isn't the worst. The worst is when people have to ask "Who?" 01. Bush 11. Santorum
Oh come on - the thing is a toupée.
There may be only one Donald Trump, as his potential presidential bid has proved once again, but his hairstyle doesn’t have to be unique. In fact, if you ever dreamed of sporting the Donald’s trademark coiffure, you can have it in four easy steps. Indeed. He is refreshing. He has balls. He isn't a wuss who has to ask consultants what he thinks. Fuck the Chinese. You're out of touch. What he says resonates with Americans in the heartland. He's not my 1st choice, but if he's the most viable to beat Hildabeast.... I'll vote Trump. Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Thanks, man. Rand cuts his own hair. My loser brother does the same thing 'cuz he's always broke.
I doubt he will hang around past the date when he would have to file his fiancials. I doubt he could get the GOP nomination if he does hang around. None of the prospects has emerged as particularly inspiring. I don't see how the GOP plans to successfully market another Bush for the White House. "He's not Hillary" is not a campaign slogan, especially if Hillary is not the opponent. I'm still doubtful that Hillary can stumble all the way to the nomination. Bill is a great politician. Hillary is awful. On the Dem side, Bernie Sanders is polling 11.6 which is higher than any of the Republicans. If Hillary implodes, Sanders with Elizabeth Warren could be a formidable ticket in debates. It will be interesting to see how it shapes up.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIsn't this the fourth or fifth time that The Donald has threatened to run for prez?
#22. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#20)
#23. To: Gatlin, pericles (#22)
Donald Trump: "Real Time Net Worth As of 6/16/15; $4.1 Billion" - FORBES.
#24. To: A K A Stone (#21)
You sure lie a lot. He is worth 9 billion. A very successful man.
#25. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#22)
Donald Trump: "Real Time Net Worth As of 6/16/15; $4.1 Billion" - FORBES.
#26. To: TooConservative (#24)
Trump's polling is just awful, the worst of all GOP candidates.
#27. To: A K A Stone, Trump debate fights (#21)
(Edited)
I prefer Trump to
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#28. To: A K A Stone, TooConservative (#19)
(Edited)
I saw a speech on Youtube where he said he would call the Chinese leaders motherfuckers to their face or some such
#29. To: TooConservative, Gatlin, A K A Stone (#25)
Donald Trump: "Real Time Net Worth As of 6/16/15; $4.1 Billion" - FORBES. Donald Trump will declare $9 billion in assets as he reveals 2016 plans
#30. To: A K A Stone (#23)
Donald Trump will declare $9 billion in assets as he reveals 2016 plans
#31. To: A K A Stone (#19)
" But he wouldn't bend over and take it up the ass from the Chinese as our current leaders do "
#32. To: Pericles, A K A Stone, Gatlin (#29)
#33. To: A K A Stone (#26)
I think you are mistaken.
#34. To: A K A Stone, TooConservative, tomder55, CZ82, liberator (#0)
Trump, 69, the brash New York City-based billionaire businessman and television show host, plans a “major announcement” Tuesday on his presidential intentions. He’s flirted with running before, but this time he appears to be taking the steps needed to formally enter the Republican race.
#35. To: redleghunter, A K A Stone, Pericles (#34)
#36. To: TooConservative (#20)
"And his show, running for 14 years now, is just a big self-promotion
#37. To: All (#35)
#38. To: redleghunter, A K A Stone, TooConservative, tomder55, CZ82, liberator (#34)
Makes for 'good' television.
#39. To: Pericles (#28)
"but he used actual curse words in a speech."
#40. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone, TooConservative (#39)
#41. To: Pericles (#40)
"That is the line! A GOP candidate using that kind of langauge should be a disqualifier for the same Oval Office Reagan was in."
#42. To: misterwhite (#41)
"That is the line! A GOP candidate using that kind of langauge should be a disqualifier for the same Oval Office Reagan was in." That would be up to the voters, wouldn't it?
#43. To: TooConservative (#35)
#44. To: Pericles (#38)
We are entering the age where running for president will turn into a reality TV show like American Idol. The more outragous a candidate is the more cache they will have.
#45. To: redleghunter (#43)
(Edited)
#46. To: Pericles (#42)
"But it's OK if they use street language in a speech"
#47. To: TooConservative (#45)
Jumping into a very crowded GOP field makes him look like he's just angling to play kingmaker later, maybe dropping out even before the Iowa caucus. Lots of pundits think that's his plan. An ego like The Donald's won't tolerate a 1%-2% showing in IA or NH too well.
#48. To: Pericles (#40)
CSPAN Caller: Donald Trump may be on drugs
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#49. To: A K A Stone, *2016 The Likely Suspects* (#0)
Watch Donald Trump announce his candidacy for U.S. president (PBS)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#50. To: Pericles (#40)
Very presidential, right Stone?
#51. To: A K A Stone (#50)
#52. To: A K A Stone (#50)
Indeed. He is refreshing. He has balls. He isn't a wuss who has to ask consultants what he thinks.
#53. To: Gatlin, tomder55, A K A Stone (#7)
2009 bankruptcy and restructuring
#54. To: A K A Stone, Pericles (#15)
No he is serious he isn't joking.
#55. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone (#53)
Trump did not own it. He bailed out of it years ago. Trump received 5% stock in exchange for the use of his name and likeness.
#56. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#24)
Trump's polling is just awful, the worst of all GOP candidates.
02. Walker
03. Rubio
04. Carson
05. Huckabee
06. Paul
07. Cruz
08. Christie
09. Trump
10. Perry
12. Fiorina
13. Kasich
14. Graham
15. Jindal
#57. To: Fred Mertz (#51)
Okay, but what's up with that hairdo of his?
#58. To: Chuck_Wagon, Fred Mertz (#57)
Oh come on - the thing is a toupée.
The Secret to Donald Trump’s Hair
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#59. To: A K A Stone (#50)
#60. To: hondo68 (#58)
#61. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#55)
I don't think he will ever be elected, but he just may be the best qualified person to turn this country around.
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