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Title: PAUL RYAN’S PELOSI-ESQUE OBAMATRADE MOMENT: ‘IT’S DECLASSIFIED AND MADE PUBLIC ONCE IT’S AGREED TO’
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URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern ... ade-public-once-its-agreed-to/
Published: Jun 11, 2015
Author: MATTHEW BOYLE
Post Date: 2015-06-11 19:33:20 by out damned spot
Keywords: Ryan, Obamatrade, video
Views: 5639
Comments: 41
Chief Obamatrade proponent House Ways and Means Committee chairman Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)60% admitted during Congressional testimony on Wednesday evening that despite tons of claims from him and other Obamatrade supporters to the contrary, the process is highly secretive. He also made a gaffe in his House Rules Committee testimony on par with former Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)7% ’s push to pass Obamacare, in which she said infamously said: “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.” “It’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Ryan said of Obamatrade in Rules Committee testimony on Wednesday during questioning from Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX)79% . What Ryan is trying to convince House Republicans to do is vote for Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) which would fast-track at least three highly secretive trade deals—specifically the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP), the Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA), and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (T-TIP)—and potentially more deals. Right now, TiSA and T-TIP text are completely secretive and unavailable for even members of Congress to read while TPP text is available for members to review—although they need to go to a secret room inside the Capitol where only members of Congress and certain staffers high-level security clearances, who can only go when members are present, can read the bill. Ryan’s exchange in which he made this gaffe came as Burgess, who opposes Obamatrade, and Rules Committee chairman Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX)65% , who stands with Ryan supporting it, were discussing the secrecy of the deal with him. It came right after an incredible exchange where Ryan attempted a ploy to try to save immigration provisions contained within the Obamatrade package as a whole—specifically TiSA—that were exposed by Breitbart News earlier on Wednesday, a problem for which he put forward a phony non-solution designed to get more votes for his Obamatrade agenda but not stop the immigration provisions. “I would like to add and I stated this up front, that the gentleman Mr. Ryan worked well with not only myself but other members to address specific ideas, concerns, issues and you have done an outstanding job to make sure instead of saying, ‘well that’s not a problem, no I’m not going to get into that,’ you’ve bent over backwards Mr. Ryan,” Sessions said. “I’ve watched you do this and working with us, whether it be a request from the United States Senate that was done on a bipartisan basis or whether it be one of our members, we have tried to work with those things. This, Dr. Burgess, this is why I can tout this agreement because we’ve tried to go in whether it’s the areas that I’ve talked about—foreign policy, dispute resolution, climate change, sovereignty, immigration, currency, transparency, fast-track, presidential power and more that haven’t previously been addressed—we’ve tried to thoughtfully articulate a good answer and Mr. Ryan has done that most favorably and I think his articulation today is evidence of his knowledge of those parameters therein.” After Sessions’ pitch, Burgess jumped back in to make another point. “And I appreciate all of that but again, you read through this language down in the secret room and I welcome the day when people can read it—“ Burgess said, before Ryan cut him off. “By the way, TPA—it’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Ryan said. What Ryan is technically referring to is that TPP will become public if TPA is agreed to—but Congress will lose much of its ability to have oversight over and influence on the process, since TPP is, in many respects, already negotiated. It’s 800 pages long, and on fast-track, Congress will only get an up-or-down vote and won’t be able to offer amendments. The Senate vote threshold also drops down to a simple majority rather than normally having a 60-vote threshold, or in the case of treaties, a 67-vote threshold. Burgess then moved forward with his point. “But this is really tough sledding and it’s not an area where I have a lot of familiarity and I’m sorry,” Burgess said. “The language as its written looks to me as if it is something that could be exploited. I appreciate all the safeguards you’ve tried to put in place. “And with this administration you can leave no stone unturned as far as putting in safeguards but I’m not convinced that we—again I can’t get into the specifics of what I’ve read because of the agreement that I signed downstairs but it concerns me and I’ll just leave it at that and I’ll yield back.” Sessions then jumped in to say he and Ryan are available to answer any questions about this matter whenever anyone wants—yet Sessions’ committee staff is publicly refusing to answer any detailed questions from Breitbart News on Obamatrade at this time. “I thank the gentleman,” Sessions said.. “In fact the gentleman, Mr. Levin is correct—there will be some changes that have to go back to the United States Senate but I would like to say with great confidence to my dear friend the gentleman from Lewisville, Texas, that if you still have reservations from your reading of anything I would encourage you to engage the gentleman Mr. Ryan or myself, Dr. Burgess, any time you’d like. “I’m available. Mr. Ryan’s available. We’ve made ourselves available with specifics on the same level.” Burgess noted how the process seeking fast-track in the Bush administration was much more transparent than it is now. “Thank you Mr. Chairman. I promised to be on my best behavior today and I am really trying—it took a long time for me to even be able to see the agreement down in the secret room even though I was willing to sign the release that said I wouldn’t talk about it. It took me a long time to get an audience with the U.S. Trade Representative,” Burgess said. “It should not have done that. Ten years ago we did CAFTA [Central American Free Trade Agreement], Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH)56% was in my office—he lived there. I couldn’t get rid of him. “This time, I couldn’t get a—it was an act of Congress literally to get him to come and talk to my subcommittee on Energy and Commerce, which is the subcommittee of Commerce, Manufacturing and Trade. “That’s how difficult this has been, so please—I thank you for the work you’ve done in trying to make this an open and fair process but my confidence in this administration has been and remains at an all time low and I appreciate what we’ve heard today but I can’t tell you that I’m mollified by—“ Ryan then interrupted Burgess again to argue that his concerns over the secrecy are why Republicans should relent and support Obamatrade. “All I would say is all the more reason to pass TPA,” Ryan said. “First of all, yes this administration is different and I can jump on the bash bandwagon better than anybody else as far as how they conduct themselves.”
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#1. To: out damned spot (#0)
“It’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Congress should pass a law stating that anyone making an assertion that a bill must be passed in order to find out what's in it will incur death by public disembowelment then then be hung from a Washington lamppost with their intestines hanging down. Such statements are nothing more than taunting defiance and deliberate malfeasance in office. Creul and unusual punishment? Yes. After a couple of times, it won't be so unusual. Let the punishment fit the crime.
Agree 1000%, rl. Just the fact that it is "secret" tells us all we need to know. I'll trust Sessions on this.
Recently some people were still whining about folks not voting for this scumbag. Go figure! Good to see that you've finally stopped. Ryan's clearly no improvement over Joe Biden. Let the word go out once and for all. Our legislative and executive bodies are serious business. The are not to be used as a theater for engaging psychopaths to practice their sport.
Since this non disclosure agreement is a bunch of crap anyways, legally, I wish one of these guys would just start talking about the specifics in it. Force zeros hand, it's about time someone showed some guts.
Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)7% ’s push to pass Obamacare, in which she said infamously said: “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.” I shall now ask redleghunter to pray for us about the USA's single uniform political party. Maybe that same prayer shall change the course of current events... just may be.
I would be happy if I could just get one free punch in the nose of Paul Ryan.
Ted Cruz is a Republican. He is against abortion. Therefore all democrats are against abortion. Oh they are not. Making your statement shit.
These BIG SHOT POLITICIANS enjoying Washington DC extravaganza change their opinions in a heart beat. Ted Cruz is no exception; he is just another insider lapping up his small fortune privileged to not be part of common American citizenry such as the common rif-raf.
Buck. They aren't the same. Most Republicans may suck. But they are different then the democrats. On lots of issues.
Exactly. Well said Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Name a few: war everywhere, increased taxes, foreign intrigue, US national border issues PERMITTING illegal immigration, increased centralized government usurping individual rights, liberties and freedoms besides DIGNITY, control of education, the love of a domestic police state, INFINITE FEDERAL DEBT ... to name just a few. Hey pal ... wake up and smell the USA on a stainless gurney, WHEW! -- the US government is dead, PERIOD. Both popular major political parties love it ... they voted for this death. I find it stinks to high heaven, too, Redleghunter ... a prayer is in order.
Well stated. You're correct. Elizabeth Warren, Ted Cruz and Mitch Mconnell always vote the same. Also Pelosi always without exception votes the same as Justin Amash. Also John Boehner always agreew with Ted Cruz and Harry Reid. In fact Nancy Pelosi is against fag marriage just like Ted Cruz. Elizabeth Warren and Jeff Sessions agree on everything. Especially immigration.
George Carlin is a piece of shit. A piece of dead shit.
Do you notice that the ISSUES are never solved? The issues just get bigger, Bigger and BIGGER with every passing heartbeat of a politician in Washington DC. Nothing ever changes in Washington DC other than the magnitude of order for increased acceleration of MORE BULLSHIT. The publick pays for these shenanigans, too.
That is because we are divided. The liberals are insane. The Republicans are wusses. If the parties were identical. Everything would be "solved". They would just agree.
If you haven't heard Craig B. Hulet before you should download any one of the .mp3's on this page and give him a listen. He says the exact same thing. It's not a difficult conclusion, if you're awake and not drinking kool-aide http://www.kcandassociates.org/radio/ Main page: Craig B. Hulet http://www.craigbhulet.com/ A black radio host in Washington DC on WOL 1450AM -Carl Nelson- has him on every month or so and you can almost hear Carl's mind bending on the air- live.
No problem. Redleghunter, please pray for us.
“It’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Ryan said of Obamatrade in Rules Committee testimony on Wednesday during questioning from Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX)79%. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)7% ’s push to pass Obamacare, in which she said infamously said: “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.” Redleghunter, please pray for us. Was the vote unanimous? No it was close.
The question and observation is not relevant. The Congress and Executive and the Judicial branches are conspiring against the American publick.
Also the congress is trying to stop Obama. They aren't all the same. You have the democrats and the Republicans. Here is where some of them are the same. It's the globalists vs the Americans. Some of each party on each side.
They do agree, so the Republicans run losers, so that Obama and Biden can win. They don't care who wins, as long as it's not anyone pro-American. See how that works? As long as Americans are getting screwed by globalists, the D&R party is happy. They don't care who wins, as long as it's not anyone pro-American. See how that works? As long as Americans are getting screwed by globalists, the D&R party is happy. You're just comic relief. I don't take you to seriously. You say to many things that aren't true trying to be cute.
Jeff Sessions is the only one who has let out anything on this. There is a gag order on those who have read it in the super-duper secret room.
Riiiight! The Bushs, Grahams, Romneys, and that idiot from Arizona et al are going to save us all. When are you going to wake up to reality. Every election year I keep hearing the same Bull Shit, and every year things mysteriously get worse.
You are correct Nancy Pelosi is really Ted Cruz. Their positions are 100 percent the same. Just because Bush, Graham are assholes. Doesn't mean Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and perhaps Soctt walker share the same views. Let me put it this way. You're a fucking moron if you think the parties are the same.
Maybe that same prayer shall change the course of current events... just may be. I pray for We the People often. Honestly, 'we' are getting exactly what we asked for and deserve. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
Amen. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)
You're a fucking moron if Reconquistas Cruz and Walker are with Obama. There's a huge meltdown at TOS with many throwing the Canadian Cuban, Raffie, under the bus. He's Nancy Pelosi in drag. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3299431/posts?q=1&;page=1 Correct. It’s declassified and made public once negotiations are complete and all parties to the contract agree. Then it goes to BOTH houses of Congress for a vote. If it's a lousy deal, either house can vote it down by a simple majority. What's wrong with that? Am I missing something here? The Republicans control BOTH houses, if I remember correctly.
it's unfair to compare Ryan's comments to Pelosi. The TPP has been in continuous and ongoing negotiations since 2009 ,and FTA has been given to every President since Roosevelt to conduct trade agreements. This is standard procedure. Nothing new here . The terms will remain classified until the negotiations end and the Treaty is signed . THEN there will be a period of a couple months for public view and Congressional debate BEFORE Congress votes on it's ratification . Without Congressional ratification there is no treaty . That is completely different than Pelosi saying it has to pass to find out what's in it . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Continue your babble as this nation continues on a down hill slide without serious contention. The Marxist counterculture has won every battle before and since Reagan. If you want to know how and why, look in the mirror in the morning and see the person looking back at you who prefers personal fantasy and verbal assertion to reality.
Apparently you're another asshole who doesn't read or understand English. You are incapable of discerning the similarity of thought and intention between two identical sentences.
ok ;I'll trade ad hominen......you're a moron (at the risk of insulting morons ) if you don't see the difference . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That's a pretty bold statement. Just becuause your opinion is that he is a "piece of shit" doesn't make his words any less true. "There's a reason education SUCKS, and it's the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It's never going to get any better, don't look for it, be happy with what you've got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the REAL owners, now. The REAL owners, the BIG WEALTHY business interests that control things and make all the important decisions -- forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. YOU DON'T. You have no choice. You have OWNERS. They OWN YOU. They own EVERYTHING. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations; they've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State houses, the City Halls; they've got the judges in their back pockets, and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all the news and information you get to hear. They gotcha by the BALLS. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying -- lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want -- they want MORE for themselves and less for everybody else. But I'll tell you what they don't want. They DON'T want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that, that doesn't help them. That's against their interests. That's right. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting FUCKED by system that threw them overboard 30 fuckin' years ago. They don't want that. You know what they want? They want OBEDIENT WORKERS. OBEDIENT WORKERS. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passably accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime, and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And now they're comin' for your SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it BACK. So they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They'll get it. They'll get it ALL from you sooner or later -- 'cuz they OWN this fuckin' place. It's a big CLUB. And YOU AIN'T IN IT. You and I are NOT IN the big club. By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long, beating you over the in their media telling you what to believe -- what to think -- and what to buy. The table is tilted, folks. The game is rigged. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-workin people -- white collar, blue collar -- doesn't matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-workin people CONTINUE -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these RICH COCKSUCKERS who don't GIVE a fuck about them. They don't give a fuck about you, they don't GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU -- AT ALL. AT ALL. AT ALL. You know? And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care ... that's what the owners count on, the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes every day. Because the owners of this country know the truth -- it's called the American Dream ... 'cuz you have to be asleep to believe it." They do agree, so the Republicans run losers, so that Obama and Biden can win. They don't care who wins, as long as it's not anyone pro-American. See how that works? As long as Americans are getting screwed by globalists, the D&R party is happy. Bingo - and sadly there are some here who are unable to grasp that simple concept. “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies... is a foolish idea. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.” ― Carroll Quigley Gee, I don't know - maybe the fact that the citizens have no input until after the agreement is rammed down our throats. I wonder what, in your corrupt countercultural mind, would it take to deduce similarity or practical identity in the statements?
I'll repeat my original comment : "The TPP has been in continuous and ongoing negotiations since 2009 ,and FTA has been given to every President since Roosevelt to conduct trade agreements. This is standard procedure. Nothing new here." The terms of every treaty remain secret during negotiations . The Congress will vote on the specific terms of the treaty when it's time to fulfill their constitional role of ratification . This is VERY different from Congressional Dems crafting legislation in secret without any participation by Republicans ;and using parliamentary sleigh of hand to rush through passage in the dead of night .The whole 'King v. Burwell' case is due to the fact that they rushed the ACA through passage so fast that they made gaffes in the plain language of the bill. So I'll say it again . There is no similarity between Ryan's and Pelosi's comments and it's disingenuous to equate them. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Gee, I don't know - What's wrong with that? Am I missing something here? What's wrong with that? Am I missing something here? Maybe the fact that the neither citizens nor anybody else have no input until after the secret finalized actual bill is stuffed up their asses by a few countercultural Marxists. Welcome to the new version of representative government under the openly defiant Pelosi, Ryan, and Obama regime. Are you one of the hate-filled domestic terrorists that has a problem with that?
He also made a gaffe in his House Rules Committee testimony on par with former Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)7% ’s push to pass Obamacare, in which she said infamously said: “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”
#2. To: rlk (#1)
#3. To: out damned spot, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#2)
Agree 1000%
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#4. To: All (#1)
#5. To: out damned spot (#0)
#6. To: out damned spot, redleghunter (#0)
“It’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Ryan said of Obamatrade in Rules Committee testimony on Wednesday during questioning from Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX)79%.
#7. To: rlk (#1)
#8. To: buckeroo (#6)
I shall now ask redleghunter to pray for us about the USA's single uniform political party.
#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)
#10. To: buckeroo (#9)
These BIG SHOT POLITICIANS enjoying Washington DC extravaganza change their opinions in a heart beat.
#11. To: A K A Stone (#10)
They aren't the same. Most Republicans may suck. But they are different then the democrats. On lots of issues.
#12. To: A K A Stone, Redleghunter (#10)
Most Republicans may suck. But they are different then the democrats. On lots of issues.
#13. To: buckeroo (#9)
These BIG SHOT POLITICIANS enjoying Washington DC extravaganza change their opinions in a heart beat. Ted Cruz is no exception; he is just another insider lapping up his small fortune privileged to not be part of common American citizenry such as the common rif-raf.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#14. To: buckeroo (#12)
Name a few:
#15. To: Deckard (#13)
#16. To: A K A Stone (#14)
#17. To: buckeroo (#16)
Do you notice that the ISSUES are never solved? The issues just get bigger, Bigger and BIGGER with every passing heartbeat of a politician in Washington DC.
#18. To: buckeroo (#12)
the US government is dead, PERIOD. Both popular major political parties love it ... they voted for this death.
#19. To: A K A Stone, Redleghunter (#17)
If the parties were identical. Everything would be "solved". They would just agree.
“It’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Ryan said of Obamatrade in Rules Committee testimony on Wednesday during questioning from Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX)79%.
Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)7% ’s push to pass Obamacare, in which she said infamously said: “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”
#20. To: buckeroo (#19)
If the parties were identical. Everything would be "solved". They would just agree. No problem.
#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)
#22. To: buckeroo (#21)
The question and observation is not relevant. The Congress and Executive and the Judicial branches are conspiring against the American publick.
#23. To: A K A Stone, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#17)
If the parties were identical. Everything would be "solved". They would just agree.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#24. To: hondo68 (#23)
They do agree, so the Republicans run losers, so that Obama and Biden can win.
#25. To: Dead Culture Watch (#5)
#26. To: A K A Stone (#10)
They aren't the same. Most Republicans may suck. But they are different then the democrats.
#27. To: rlk (#26)
Riiiight! The Bushs, Grahams, Romneys, and that idiot from Arizona et al are going to save us all.
#28. To: buckeroo (#6)
shall now ask redleghunter to pray for us about the USA's single uniform political party.
#29. To: buckeroo (#12)
a prayer is in order
#30. To: A K A Stone, Reconquista Republicans, *Border Invasion* (#27)
Doesn't mean Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and perhaps Soctt walker share the same views.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#31. To: out damned spot (#0)
“It’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Ryan said of Obamatrade."
#32. To: out damned spot, misterwhite (#0)
#33. To: A K A Stone (#27)
Let me put it this way. You're a fucking moron if you think the parties are the same.
#34. To: tomder55 (#32)
it's unfair to compare Ryan's comments to Pelosi.
#35. To: rlk (#34)
Apparently you're another asshole who doesn't read or understand English. You are incapable of discerning the similarity of thought and intention between two identical sentences.
#36. To: A K A Stone (#15)
George Carlin is a piece of shit. A piece of dead shit.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#37. To: hondo68 (#23)
(Edited)
If the parties were identical. Everything would be "solved". They would just agree.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#38. To: misterwhite (#31)
What's wrong with that? Am I missing something here?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#39. To: tomder55 (#35)
you're a moron (at the risk of insulting morons ) if you don't see the difference .
#40. To: rlk (#39)
#41. To: Deckard (#38)
(Edited)
What's wrong with that? Am I missing something here?
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