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Title: More 1 AM Jade Helm Pre-Training: “YOU MAY HEAR HELICOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.”
Source: Truthstream Media
URL Source: http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/06 ... ions-please-do-not-be-alarmed/
Published: Jun 7, 2015
Author: Aaron and Melissa Dykes
Post Date: 2015-06-09 09:55:55 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 31327
Comments: 122

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When the American flag is flown upside down, if you were not aware, it is a signal of dire distress.

Can you imagine what it is like to suddenly have low-flying military helicopters, explosions, and gunfire rocking your home in the middle of the night?

This message went out on Facebook around midnight last night from the official Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page:

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“ATTENTION VIEWERS: PER FLINT POLICE OPERATIONS (FPO) THE US ARMY IS DOING TRAINING IN FLINT THIS WEEKEND AND YOU MAY HEAR HELCOPTERS, GUNFIRE, & EXPLOSIONS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED.”

That message was sent out last night around midnight.

Over the next few hours, some concerned and even downright scared citizens responded to what was taking place over and around their homes.

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Many were asking if this was part of Jade Helm. While several others in the thread responded said it was, the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page never officially confirmed or denied this.

Although some people were essentially congratulating the authorities for this last-minute martial law training in their neighborhood streets, others were more afraid of the attitudes of their fellow Americans.

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Around 8 p.m. Saturday night, M Live reported that police were coordinating safety measures for military exercises that were being announced for three areas in Flint:

Police warn that helicopters and small explosions are expected to be part of the exercise. The exercise is controlled and contained, and police said there is no reason to be alarmed.

The training exercises will conclude later Saturday night.

Police announced Friday the exercises would take place over the weekend, and residents in the areas where training was taking place would be notified.

Explosions rocked Flint’s East Side Tuesday, June 2, as the city warned residents to prepare for simulated ammunition fire and helicopters as U.S. Army soldiers begin 10 days of training.

On Saturday afternoon, members of the U.S. Army National Guard 1776 MP Company went to Mounds RV Park in Mt. Morris to train in armored security vehicles. Some 60 to 70 soldiers were on site, ready to train to receive their licenses to operate the vehicles.

Noting that the training would take place Saturday night kinda misleads one to believe it will be at a reasonable hour, doesn’t it?

Flint, Michigan only has 100,000 people. It’s not a huge city. Why should people expect a small-scale war to suddenly break out on their streets?

No explanation was ever given as to why this training could not have been conducted on a military base instead of on the residential streets of Flint, Michigan.

This isn’t just one evening. This is ten days of hardcore military training. Ten days of low-flying chinooks in the middle of the night. Ten days of random gunfire and explosions breaking out. Ten days of armored military vehicles cruising the roads. Ten days of increased military presence in the streets of yet another American city.

Imagine explaining this to your terrified children who are awakened in the middle of the night by what sounds like war breaking out in their Flint, Michigan backyard.

Of course, if Flint residents happened to not be watching their TVs or checking up on law enforcement’s social media pages like the Lapeer County Police, EMS, and Fire Facebook page, they wouldn’t have known, would they?

Unannounced or barely announced military drills complete with realistic-sounding explosions, military hardware and even the detainment of mock dissidents have become a much more frequent occurrence on Main Street U.S.A. in recent months. In the lead up to this July’s Jade Helm drill, during which local, state, and federal law enforcement and military agencies will be teaming up and training together all across the Southwest for what we are told are international battlefields far far away, it has been happening more and more. We have no Posse Comitatus, quite obviously.

Martial law desensitization is in full swing.

Disruptive and alarming drills continue to break out in sporadic locations across the country. As unannounced and unnerving as they are to local residents, a bigger and much uglier picture is being painted here.

Did you know that after the American Revolutionary War, most people in this country considered a standing army to be one of the most dangerous threats to liberty imaginable?

Skip ahead a couple hundred years. Now look at where we are.

This is America now. This is what our nation has become.

Look around. Are we really a free country?

We should not allow ourselves to be conditioned to accept and expect warfare in our backyards.

There is every reason not to want the military to get used to training in our streets with our militarized police forces, much less carrying out raids on the citizens, and patrolling us. 

There is every reason not to want our neighbors, friends, and family to become acclimated to it either. There is every reason to question and speak out against this.

Has anyone even sufficiently justified why this is really necessary?

“For your safety” just isn’t cutting it anymore.

Despite what the NDAA says, America is not a battlefield. The fact that officials see it as otherwise is deeply alarming and signals nothing less than tyranny.

(H/T: Chris VanWyck)

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#41. To: sneakypete (#40)

The terrain and the tactical problems presented by the terrain are different in Muslim neighborhoods than "regular,unleaded neighborhoods"

Gosh sneaky, I figured that would be obvious.

If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East.

If you are training to implement martial law in America, you train in America.

I can't make it any simpler than that for you.

Oh - one more thing.

This is not the same army that you were a part of during your "glory days".

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-10   13:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Vinny (#39)

The local militia meets in a phone booth on the 2nd Sunday of each month.

But the leadership meets in the local Holiday Inn,or the nearest FBI office. Whichever is closer.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-10   13:16:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Deckard (#41) (Edited)

If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East.

ROFLMAO!

Good one!

I have no idea why the Special Operations Command hasn't hired you as a consultant. (EXTREME sarcasm)

Oh - one more thing.

This is not the same army that you were a part of during your "glory days".

And how do you know this?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-10   13:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Deckard, TooConservative, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#27)

Here's a local source:

Flint residents will be notified as military exercises continue, city says

Seems the local township leaders not only knew about this but coordinated with the military to allow them to use a closed junior HS building.

Where I agree with you is there are ample DoD and NG facilities to conduct the pyro (blank ammunition) exercises so township folks don't think they live in Vieques PR or Killeen Texas or Fayettville NC.

However, the 'blending in' part of the training has been happening since we have had SF. Those exercises are coordinated with local authorities as well.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-10   13:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete (#30)

If they did it in secret far,far away from the gathering crowds,you would be bitching about "secret military operations training soldiers to take over America".

That's nonsense. No one objects to training on military bases or military reservations like Fort Hood. Or on remote federal lands which is also routine.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   13:30:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Deckard (#41)

If you are training to infiltrate Muslims you go to Muslim towns or you train in the Middle East.

Why not train in Dearborn, Michigan instead of Flint.

Dearborn has the largest Arab community in the States by far.

At least you might argue it is more realistic training, based on recent, current, and likely upcoming wars.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   13:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: sneakypete (#31)

Prisoners of war HAVE A OBLIGATION TO ESCAPE.

And when did we ever penalize them for failing to do so (or at least try to escape)?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   13:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Deckard, sneakypete, TooConservative, GarySpFc (#32)

“The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions, because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?”

Ok, she starts out pretty good:

“The fact that they’re doing this on American soil outside of U.S. military bases is at least worthy of watching and asking some questions..."

I agree.

This is where she draws conclusions based on paranoia or lack of understanding the type of military doing these exercises:

"...because the military basically trains where it’s going to be doing missions,” she reasoned. “So if they’re training on civilian grounds, in communities in seven different states, then you have to wonder, what are they training for?”

She incorrectly addressed the purpose of military training. In the military you train as you fight. The SF travel over all kinds of terrain and need to blend in with a local populace. That's the training. SF are always training when not deployed. Where would they train with a local populace, which is the focus of their training NOT training on American 'civilian grounds.'

Before the Gulf war and OIF I trained in the Mojave desert to provide a realistic setting for fighting in Iraq. That did not mean I was preparing my unit to invade Las Vegas. Her reasoning is flawed either by paranoia or more likely a lack of knowledge on how SF have trained for close to 50 years.

Taking her 'reasoning' a step, what exactly can the smallest part of the military (SF) do to control a town and send them to FEMA camps? Ridiculous. Did you serve in the military?

"...what are they training for?”

Answer: Afghanistan, Iraq, Horn of Africa, South America, and all points outside our borders.

Now the lady who made the above quotes wants to worry about something then she be worried what the National Guard is doing, not the Active Military.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-10   13:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sneakypete (#42)

But the leadership meets in the local Holiday Inn,or the nearest FBI office. Whichever is closer.

Indeed, only a Special Olympian would think that a militia remains a valid concept.

Vinny  posted on  2015-06-10   13:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: redleghunter (#48)

Before the Gulf war and OIF I trained in the Mojave desert to provide a realistic setting for fighting in Iraq. That did not mean I was preparing my unit to invade Las Vegas. Her reasoning is flawed either by paranoia or more likely a lack of knowledge on how SF have trained for close to 50 years.

There is a big difference over training in the Mojave (and in uniform) and civilian infiltration operations being held in Flint and elsewhere with gunfire and explosions inside city limits.

No one has ever objected much to training in the Mojave or on bases or military reservations or semi-remote federal lands.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   14:01:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Vinny (#49)

Indeed, only a Special Olympian would think that a militia remains a valid concept.

You're singing the theme song of the gungrabbers.

Just teach enough people to think that way and it will be the end of the right to keep and bear arms.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   14:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: TooConservative (#51)

So the answer is to join a militia where every other member is a federal plant?

Vinny  posted on  2015-06-10   14:17:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Deckard, sneakypete, redleghunter, TooConservative, GarySpFc, tomder55, hondo68, CZ82 (#35)

You might have a valid point if the Special Forces infiltration was going on in Muslim strongholds like Dearbornistan.

What intel do they hope to gather by infiltrating American towns? Who the gun owners and dissidents are? Where the local milita is meeting?

GREAT questions.

The standards of military operations have morphed into an altogether different realm and objective over the decades. Especially during the current regime, which as we ALL know is hostile to everything this nation is, and has ever represented.

Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans. But if we really want to examine exactly when Americans began sacrificing liberty for "security," it began back in 1991 when Poppy Bush and his globalist NWO cadre decided to invade Iraq, disrupt life as we'd known it, shattering the peace, freedom, and optimism marked by Ronald Reagan's administration.

But I digress. Here is what's going on in a nutshell:

This version of the US Gubmint has *obviously* and demonstratively been co-opted by subversive elements whose ONLY objective is to complete the New World Order mission of nullifying the US Constitution and US sovereignty.

ALL these military exercises are obviously NOT in preparation for subduing urban (as well as suburban) populations in any foreign nation, but instead in preparation of subduing the citizenry in US cities and towns. Frankly, I don't understand how or why this subversive mission is even questioned, considering the identities of those who lord over us.

Consider:

1) Jade Helm is necessary step of enforcing Agenda 21
2) The militarization of sporting events
3) The feminization of sporting events as cultural sledgehammers
4) The stealth war against county/city Police Depts (setting up fedgoob takeovers)
5) The regime's known agenda and propaganda campaign to nullify the 2A
6) The overt facilitation of race wars and character assassination of white males and Christians
7) The purposefully aiding and abetting of allowing tens of millions of illegals -- many criminal or potent terr-ists, MOST un-vetted or un-identified; the sexualization, gender-fication
8) The homosexualization of the military and gubmint at the HIGHEST LEVELS -- including the Pentagram and White Hut
9) The targeted harrassment of politically active conservative by alphabet agencies
10) Ridiculous, suicidal ROE policies, feminizing the US military, destroying morale
11-11,000 -- Jade Helm is not a stand-alone Red Flag; It is part of a tapestry of countless battle fronts closing in on us and the America we knew just a generation ago. -- Space and time stop me from continuing this count.

Like the mini-martial Law exercise engaged during the "Boston Marathon Bomber" (and "drill" planned during the day), the Jade Helm Op is an exercise of intimidation and execution. Only on a massive scale. It will be the first in a series of highly detailed, highly executed domestic military exercises....until the REAL thing is engaged. Nationwide. And people will believe: "Meh. It's only a drill."

Look -- we here are ALL on the same side (save for one toxic troll.) How and *why should* we be convinced that ANY operation or policy facilitated by this gubmint is for our benefit? Especially Jade Helm? How can this not be a matter of obvious divide & conquer politics, a subversive policy, and giant step toward tyranny?

Liberator  posted on  2015-06-10   14:19:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: TooConservative (#50)

There is a big difference over training in the Mojave (and in uniform) and civilian infiltration operations being held in Flint and elsewhere with gunfire and explosions inside city limits.

Yes there is a difference. However the context of her 'reasoning' is that the exercise was in preparation for operations on American soil. Which means, by her statement, she meant if a unit trains on American soil they are preparing to fight on American soil. That's quite a reach. That is why I stated the Mojave example. The focus was on terrain somewhere else and finding the 'best' available alternate here in the US.

Which is what the SF are doing. Finding the best 'terrain' to train to fight the set they will see overseas. Where else can they do that training? Canada? Mexico? That presents its own problems.

So yes the part of training involviing pyro explosions and simulated gun fire should all be on military reservations.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-10   15:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Vinny (#52)

So the answer is to join a militia where every other member is a federal plant?

I'm just saying that if you insist there is no such thing as a militia, your Second Amendment goes up in smoke.

So I insist there is a general and unorganized militia, one which does possess the right to keep and bear arms, for defense against criminals and against any jackbooted police state that might rise up to usurp our liberties.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   15:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: redleghunter, Liberator, TooConservative, sneakypete, CZ82, (#18)

So someone needs to show me this exercise. Show me the Soldiers on the ground and the patches on their left shoulder.

Is Jade Helm, Raider Focus About Pre-Positioning Foreign Troops On U.S. Soil? Raider Focus Convoy Troops Missing Unit Patches, Veteran Warns This Is 'VERY Big' Issue And 'War Has Already Begun'

Recently Stefan Stanford published an article titled "Hundreds Of Miles Of Razor Wire On Convoy Trucks - Will It Be Used To Divide Colorado For Reconquista Or FEMA Camps For Those Who Rebel Against What's Coming?," where a video was provided showing a miltary convoy for the Raider Focus exercises and a very keen-eyed reader, a military veteran, noticed something very strange about the uniforms being worn by the troops participating.... something that disturbed him greatly and to which he called a "VERY big" issue.

Not being familiar with military regulations regarding uniforms worn during drills and exercises on U.S. soil, we did reach out to a few other veterans and sources who are in-the-know to confirm these concerns.

The reader email will be shown below, then screen shots taken directly from the video and enlarged will be shown beneath that, then the original video for anyone that wishes to go through it frame by frame and look for themselves.

Greetings, Just been watching the 7 min vid you have on the stryker convoy. Having served in both the IDF Special Forces and the US Army Rangers I know a bit about military protocols. I am noticing in this vid, or at least I think I am noticing that on 98% of the soldiers you can see,  I believe I am noticing that almost all of those soldiers are MISSING their (left arm) unit patches!  

This is a VERY big issue. For one, by US Army regs, all of those soldiers are considered "Out of uniform" which is a punishable offence and would never be done outside of totally covert Ops within the area of operation for those Ops. Surely this is NEVER done in "garrison" or in your home country. Any veteran can back this up. 

I played the video back several times using a magnification device to get a closer view of their left arms and I see nothing on all but one man [on two occasions] in the Commanders position on one Stryker vehicle towards the end of this vid. I also saw one other man on top of a Styker prior to that one who did have the expected subdued US Flag on his right arm, but still no Unit patch on the left. I also noticed more than one with NO American flag on their right arm, again, this is not possible under these alleged conditions. 

The long and short is this - If only ONE soldier in this unit has a missing unit patch, its an issue, however it does appear far more than one is out of uniform. So the question for me as one with an intelligence background, as it should be for you, WHO are they really?  Because I am telling you in no uncertain terms, if you are without your insignia, the uniform is nothing more than a Halloween costume. 

Surely something to be aware of and look for going forward. Because if these are all foreign troops being pre-positioned under the guise of an MTX, then a war has already begun and steps need to be taken immediately to counter them.

*****

(Pictures at the link)

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-10   15:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: redleghunter (#54)

So yes the part of training involviing pyro explosions and simulated gun fire should all be on military reservations.

Obviously so.

You have to ask what was so damned special that they felt they had to hold drills inside an abandoned junior high in a suburb of Flint, Michigan. There just isn't any good answer to that.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   15:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Deckard (#56)

"Hundreds Of Miles Of Razor Wire On Convoy Trucks - Will It Be Used To Divide Colorado For Reconquista Or FEMA Camps For Those Who Rebel Against What's Coming?,"

LOL great title.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-10   15:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Liberator, GarySpFc, sneakypete (#53)

ALL these military exercises are obviously NOT in preparation for subduing urban (as well as suburban) populations in any foreign nation, but instead in preparation of subduing the citizenry in US cities and towns. Frankly, I don't understand how or why this subversive mission is even questioned, considering the identities of those who lord over us.

I have to say, SF are the WORST type of units to conduct such operations which these sites and posters attribute to them. They hold no ground, do not stay but minutes or a few hours and are gone.

Now if the National Guard was seen conducting these exercises, THAT should sound the alarm. Because they can handle state by state everything these articles attribute to the grand round up operation. Plus every state NGB has a close relationship with FEMA.

Keep us Active Duty guys out of this:)

Look -- we here are ALL on the same side (save for one toxic troll.) How and *why should* we be convinced that ANY operation or policy facilitated by this gubmint is for our benefit? Especially Jade Helm? How can this not be a matter of obvious divide & conquer politics, a subversive policy, and giant step toward tyranny?

I am here to tell all that your Active Duty military AND state NG folks have not, yet, gone completely bonkers. There are still A LOT of good people on active duty from PVT Joe Snuffy to 4 star General Whoever. These folks are not mindless automatons who will violate their oath which is to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-10   15:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: redleghunter (#58)

LOL great title.

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The United States Veterans noticed it 1st, several of them pointing out the hundreds and hundreds of miles of Concertina razor wire seen in the 2nd image above and 2nd, outstanding video below from the Fugazi Report, at the 4:03 mark showing a military convoy for "Raider Focus" in Colorado in the now viral video also featuring Blue Bell Ice Cream trucks.

"Let me get this straight....they're going to lay down THAT MUCH Concertina razor wire 'just practicing' to detain people..Yeah, sure.." one commenter says as the convoy heads towards Pinon Canyon, Colorado. The 1st video below has outstanding exclusive footage of Raider Focus in Colorado from Alex Ansary, a full bore 10 1/2 minute video in which Alex shows us what's REALLY happening in the Pinon Canyon, Colorado area.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-06-10   15:48:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Deckard (#56)

Raider Focus Convoy Troops Missing Unit Patches, Veteran Warns This Is 'VERY Big' Issue And 'War Has Already Begun'

I find it suspicious that they can provide so few examples of troops operating without legal uniforms.

Two or three soldiers does not a jackbooted army make.

And a few of those pix could have been photoshopped (or edited out of the video). Editing video is a bit harder but at such low resolutions and using gray uniforms, it is more doable by amateurs.

So I didn't find that link or photos convincing.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   15:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deckard (#60)

Where were these trucks recorded?

Looks like it could be Fort Carson.

The one flatbed contains roughly 10% of needed C-wire to establish an area defense at the National Training Center in CA or the Yuma proving grounds.

The picture of military trucks moving Class IV material without a geographic reference means nothing.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-10   15:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: TooConservative, sneakypete (#57)

You have to ask what was so damned special that they felt they had to hold drills inside an abandoned junior high in a suburb of Flint, Michigan. There just isn't any good answer to that.

I don't have one and you don't have one so it is a good question. One thing Pete brought up earlier is you can only do so many missions on a military reservation for SF troops before the teams get stale and in need for a more realistic and challenging mission. That could be one answer. If you keep hitting the same mock ups at 'the farm' on a military reservation, the teams become predictable. Don't know, Pete is a better SF tactician than I will ever be as I was never SF. My dealings with SF/SOF both US and Coalition was on the operational targeting level. That is how I gained some knowledge on their CONUS trainups for overseas deployments.

Better question...Why did some local yokel mayor or city council give the green light for this?

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-10   15:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: redleghunter (#62)

The picture of military trucks moving Class IV material without a geographic reference means nothing.

We've seen this kind of thing before.

Recall the last Big Panic over the U.N. armored trucks back at LP, maybe 1-1.5 years back? Quite the hoopla, turned out to be another big embarrassing nothing, much like those insane Hardin, Montana FEMA deathcamp threads. Hardin city council will never live down that fiasco.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   16:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: redleghunter (#63)

Better question...Why did some local yokel mayor or city council give the green light for this?

Flint, at least, is really desperate for anything.

So they agreed to host it and never even told their voters who they consider to be some sort of annoying grazing animals that live in the vicinity of their city hall.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   16:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: TooConservative (#64)

We've seen this kind of thing before.

Recall the last Big Panic over the U.N. armored trucks back at LP, maybe 1-1.5 years back? Quite the hoopla, turned out to be another big embarrassing nothing, much like those insane Hardin, Montana FEMA deathcamp threads. Hardin city council will never live down that fiasco.

Yes and when we get these reports devoid of proper analysis it detracts from the main issue.

Here's another claim from the same site:

several of them pointing out the hundreds and hundreds of miles of Concertina razor wire

Will have to check but don't think there are enough trucks to move that much wire in the Army. Units do move their own C-wire to the NTC, JRTC and the various proving grounds. Folks are probably seeing a lot more of this now given we are back to force on force training and not so much COIN. So they are not used to seeing trains full of tanks, brads and howitzers and trucks heading to a training site. That was quite visible in the 80s and 90s.

Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. (Psalm 62:1-2)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-06-10   16:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: TooConservative (#46)

Why not train in Dearborn, Michigan instead of Flint.

Dearborn has the largest Arab community in the States by far.

At least you might argue it is more realistic training, based on recent, current, and likely upcoming wars.

It's not.

It's not better because there is no such thing as "Muslim terrain" or "Muslim tactics".

You train in cities if you think you will be going to war in cities,you train in the suburbs if you think you will be going to war in the suburbs,you train in the jungle if you think you will be going to war in the jungle,you train in the mountains if you think you will be going to war in the mountains,etc,etc,etc.

In FACT,training for combat in the Muddle East in an area where there are a lot of Arabs around to observe your training is foolish because and fundie Islamic locals with ties to the terrorists will get to observe the tactics you will use,and will use their knowledge to set you up for ambushes.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-10   16:39:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: TooConservative (#47)

And when did we ever penalize them for failing to do so (or at least try to escape)?

Beats me,but I am sure it has happened.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-10   16:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Vinny (#49)

Indeed, only a Special Olympian would think that a militia remains a valid concept.

On a positive note,it keeps the loons from hurting themselves and someone else.

Unless of course the civilian government and their masters want someone hurt.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-10   16:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: redleghunter, Deckard, Liberator, Pericles, nolu chan (#66)

Will have to check but don't think there are enough trucks to move that much wire in the Army. Units do move their own C-wire to the NTC, JRTC and the various proving grounds.

We've seen these exaggerated scares before. The Hardin fiasco is a classic. The U.N. armored car fiasco was much the same, just a dozen or so being moved to port to be deployed to some legit U.N. mission overseas, very ordinary. We've had others about movement of armored vehicles and tanks on long trains which turned out to be movements to/from a training exercise in a remote area or the result of transporting tanks being taken out of service. I recall one of the first big scares involved a big former military base in Florida where thousands of white vans were stored. Instead of being the ever-present U.N./FEMA death vans, it turns out they were excess dealer stock that had piled up before the 2008 economic slowdown. I recall LP and FR all worked up, they were trying to recruit locals in Florida to sneak into this old base-turned-industrial-park to spy on the U.N./FEMA death vans, the whole tamale. Of course, it turned out to be ridiculous.

Here is a selection of LP articles about Hardin (Danger: involuntary raucous laughter may ensue!)

Montana AG launches probe of jail deal (Hardin and the American Police Force )
Score: 95
Post Date: 2009-10-02 05:11:09 by out damned spot
9 Comments
Montana's attorney general launched an investigation Thursday into a California company that wants to take over an empty jail in the rural city of Hardin, following revelations that the company's lead figure is a convicted felon with a history of fraud. Michael Hilton, who formed Santa Ana, Calif.-based American Police Force in March, came to Hardin last month promising to fill the city's never-used jail and build a large military and law enforcement training center. Hilton has a decades-long track record of fraudulent activities and spent several years in a California prison on grand theft charges. A native of Montenegro, he uses at least 17 aliases. Citing "significant ...

APF head Hilton has criminal past (American Police Force-Hardin, Montana)
Score: 95
Post Date: 2009-09-30 21:50:58 by out damned spot
24 Comments
American Police Force's president Michael Hilton addresses the media during a press conference at the Two Rivers Authority jail Saturday, September 26, 2009. CODY, Wyo. - Michael Hilton of American Police Force arrived in Hardin with promises of Mercedes police cars and expertise in operating prisons. He delivered the cars last week, but may have learned about prisons following a 1993 conviction for grand theft. Public records from police and state and federal courts in California show that Michael Anthony Hilton, using that name and more than a dozen aliases over several years, is cited in multiple criminal, civil and bankruptcy cases, and was sentenced in 1993 to two years in state ...

Hardin jail lands contract
Score: 100
Post Date: 2009-09-29 23:01:19 by yukon
3 Comments
Hardin jail lands contract By Matthew Brown - 09/12/2009 Larry Mayer / The Billings Gazette The Two Rivers detention facility in Hardin, which has been unoccupied for two years, recently landed a 10-year operating contract with a private security firm. The jail may open in January. BILLINGS — An empty jail where promoters tried unsuccessfully to bring Guantanamo Bay terrorism detainees has landed a 10-year operating contract with a private security firm that says it wants to sharply expand the lockup. The deal to house hundreds of low- and medium-security inmates in the Hardin jail involves American Police Force, a Santa Ana, Calif., company that was incorporated six months ago. ...

OUT OF TIME: CITY OF HARDIN, MONTANA--NOW BECOMING A POLICE STATE! TV Ch8 Verified
Score: 97
Post Date: 2009-09-29 20:42:52 by out damned spot
23 Comments
Below is a posting at Resistnet of someone in the town of Hardin, Montana witnessing BO's thugs taking over a town with a civilian police force with the purpose of forcing people to take the swine flu vaccination. The private police force has plans for thirty other town across the U.S. according to the eyewitness account. The eyewitness account is verified by an article at http://www.kulr8.com/news/local/61320122.html From: A Good Friend in Montana Subject: OUT OF TIME: CITY OF HARDIN, MT NOW BECOMING A POLICE STATE! TV Ch8 Verified This came to me from a faithful watchman! WE ARE OUT OF TIME! CITY OF HARDIN & SURROUNDING AREA IS NOW BECOMING A POLICE STATE! THE SHAKING HAS BEGUN! ...

As for the U.N.'s armored trucks, here's an old thread with all the usual suspects (and all the usual remarks you've come to know and love). June 2014.

LP: Brand New Armored U.N. Trucks Moving Through South Georgia/Alabama

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   16:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: sneakypete (#67)

You train in cities if you think you will be going to war in cities,you train in the suburbs if you think you will be going to war in the suburbs,you train in the jungle if you think you will be going to war in the jungle,you train in the mountains if you think you will be going to war in the mountains,etc,etc,etc.

Oh. Apparently, the Green Berets are planning to go to war with some junior high schools somewhere, like the one they're training in out in Flint.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-06-10   16:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator (#53)

Most of us would point to 9/11 as THE watershed moment that dramatic changes in the reduction of liberty began occurring in the lives of Americans.

Not even close. That happened in 1964 when Congress passed and that evil bastard LBJ signed into law "The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964" that created special classes of citizens with more rights than the rest of us.

But if we really want to examine exactly when Americans began sacrificing liberty for "security," it began back in 1991 when Poppy Bush and his globalist NWO cadre decided to invade Iraq,...

MUCH closer in time and also a serious threat to peace and stability in the world,but that really began when Bubba Bill had government agents (some with badges and some hired by the month) to either infiltrate or begin their own militia groups. The results were Ruby Ridge,Waco,Tx,and the OKC federal building being turned into rubble.

And make no mistake about it,ALL THREE were the result of schemes dreamnt up in govrnment buildings in Washington,DC.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-10   16:48:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Deckard (#56)

Recently Stefan Stanford published an article titled "Hundreds Of Miles Of Razor Wire On Convoy Trucks - Will It Be Used To Divide Colorado For Reconquista Or FEMA Camps For Those Who Rebel Against What's Coming?," where a video was provided showing a miltary convoy for the Raider Focus exercises and a very keen-eyed reader, a military veteran, noticed something very strange about the uniforms being worn by the troops participating.... something that disturbed him greatly and to which he called a "VERY big" issue.

Tell me something. Do you seriously believe all that crap,or are you just having fun pulling the chains of the simple-minded,but well-meaning?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-10   16:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: redleghunter (#63) (Edited)

Better question...Why did some local yokel mayor or city council give the green light for this?

Most likely because the buildings to be blown up were targeted by the city building inspectors for demolition anyway,and not only does this save the city taxpayers the expense of hiring a demolition firm to tear the place down/blow the place down/,they get paid a rental fee from the feds for use of the area,AND the feds promise to haul off all the ruble for free,also.

Win/win for the city fathers and the city tax payers as well as for the soldiers.

And this ain't even addressing all the overtime pay the feds give the city for their fire,emt,and police units to pay them for the overtime they put in to insure public safety.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-10   16:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: TooConservative (#71)

Oh. Apparently, the Green Berets are planning to go to war with some junior high schools somewhere, like the one they're training in out in Flint.

It does no good to provide you with answers when you lack the ability to understand them.

Tell me,Bubba. Where are hostages and POW's kept in urban areas,in tents,or in public buildings large enough to house them and their guards?

Where do the enemy leadership live and do business in cities,in tents in the park? Or maybe in large public buildings buildings with lots of office space?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-10   17:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: sneakypete (#69)

Vinny  posted on  2015-06-10   17:07:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Vinny (#76)

PLEASE tell me that is a joke!

I do see she is wearing her "Tammy Tactical" shades,so it may be real.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-06-10   17:11:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: redleghunter (#19)

I wonder if they all just slept through it all during the Cold War when SAC was flying all over the place

When I was a kid I lived right under the flight path of WPAFB, I used to wake up and go to bed every day/night to the sound of B52s taking off and landing. After awhile you get used to the noise and don't seem to notice it anymore. Now it's so quiet where I live that I have to run a fan in my room for some background noise otherwise I can't sleep.

When I was at GITMO they used to do the minefield maintenance at night for some reason, but after the first couple of mines going off you didn't notice it anymore and just slept right thru it.

At Dyess (B1Bs) my office was right behind Blast Shield #8 as long as they were only running the APUs or the main engines at idle you didn't really notice it. But when they made a full power run then you had to grab things to keep them from falling on the floor and breaking. Or if you were on the phone you just hung up and called them back later. :)

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-10   17:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Deckard, redleghunter, sneakypete (#60)

"Let me get this straight....they're going to lay down THAT MUCH Concertina razor wire 'just practicing' to detain people..

You might be surprised as to what the military does for training their people.

For RRR (Rapid Runway Repair, I.E bomb damage repair to runways) exercises we would deploy to other bases and actually blow craters in old abandoned runways. Then we would clear all the big debris pieces, backfill and roll the crater, lay down the interlocking aluminum/fiberglass matting material over the backfilled crater, anchored the mat to the ground and swept the entire area for debris/FOD. At times we had planes actually come in and use the matted areas, the biggest I remember was a C5A when I was in England. At other times we had A10s come in and do mock strafing runs on us while we were laying the mat material. And during some of these exercises we were wearing full chemical gear in temperatures ranging from -10 up to 110 degrees. You want to lose weight wear a full chem gear ensemble in any temperature above 40 degrees and I guarantee you'll lose some.

After it was all over with and you were graded you went back and picked up the mat, resurfaced the crater and poured in concrete so you could use it again sometime in the future.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-10   18:12:52 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: TooConservative (#46)

Why not train in Dearborn, Michigan instead of Flint.

You know I wonder if they are using an old base that was closed sometime in the past around Flint for their exercises, we used to do it all the time when I was in England.

http://www.formerbases.com/michigan.htm

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2015-06-10   18:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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